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lil_freak_66 wrote:

CV67PAT wrote:

Big Gay Al wrote:

CV67PAT wrote:

Review the other posts in this thread and you will see that 6mm is larger than the .177 cal description contained in the statute.

I know that. But 6mm is also larger than the definition of a BB as listed in the dictionary. This would define airsoft ammo as not a BB.

Correct. It is a projectile. That which propells a projectile is a firearm.

please tell me why that walmart and meijer sells them,no paperwork,no nothing. 20 bucks and the u-scan.

Your question, if indeed it is a question, is misleading.

What is it that you are asking?

What is the product that the referenced stores sell without paperwork?

How is the product, if regulated, taken through a self scan?

Your inability to articulate your question in a clear and concise manner has previously lead to some misunderstandings.

In an effort to prevent this from occurring again, please restate your question.

If in fact it is a question. The punctuation, or lack thereof, is confusing.

 

[lil_freak_66]

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the only way you'd be able to get an injury from an airsoft is if it hit you in the eye.

in which case the airsoft guns say on themyou should wear proper eye protection.

and my BB pistol(not airsoft,also it cannot fire pellets)says right on it ages 16 and older,no serial number. and no purchase permit or cpl required to purchase.

30 bucks and a trip to walmart is all it takes.

i think its safe to say that airsoft guns arent firearms.

 

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CV67PAT wrote:

lil_freak_66 wrote:

CV67PAT wrote:

Big Gay Al wrote:

CV67PAT wrote:

Review the other posts in this thread and you will see that 6mm is larger than the .177 cal description contained in the statute.

I know that. But 6mm is also larger than the definition of a BB as listed in the dictionary. This would define airsoft ammo as not a BB.

Correct. It is a projectile. That which propells a projectile is a firearm.

please tell me why that walmart and meijer sells them,no paperwork,no nothing. 20 bucks and the u-scan.

Your question, if indeed it is a question, is misleading.

What is it that you are asking?

What is the product that the referenced stores sell without paperwork?

How is the product, if regulated, taken through a self scan?

Your inability to articulate your question in a clear and concise manner has previously lead to some misunderstandings.

In an effort to prevent this from occurring again, please restate your question.

If in fact it is a question. The punctuation, or lack thereof, is confusing.

IMO its pretty concise. He goes to walmart/meijers and buys ammo even though he's underage. He also feels it isnt his fault because they sell him the ammo...My thought's to him. Wake up.

 

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mikestilly wrote:

Venator wrote:

Well if they are a firearm they are covered by preemption.

And as for the handgun style modelsif they too are a firearm they mustbeby definitiona handgun and therefore you need to have a purchase permit or a CPL to buy one.

Since you do not need a purchase permit they must not be considered a handgun. And if they are not considered a handgun but they are a firearm...wait now I'm confused.

Does an air soft produce a dangerous projectile??? I've been shot with them many times at close range and It didn't seem to be dangerous to me. But I am a rather viral man.

Aim it at your eyeball and pull the trigger. -Report back to us if it was dangerous.

I knew this would come up. But if that's your argument then any non-firearm that propels a projectile is a firearm including marshmallow "guns".

Lets look up what dangerous means. Air soft gunsare not firearms. If they were as I stated twice you would need a purchase permit to buy the handgun models.

 

[lil_freak_66]

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if you are going to accuse me of a crime please show the evidence.

 

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wardog6d wrote:

CV67PAT wrote:

lil_freak_66 wrote:

CV67PAT wrote:

Big Gay Al wrote:

CV67PAT wrote:

Review the other posts in this thread and you will see that 6mm is larger than the .177 cal description contained in the statute.

I know that. But 6mm is also larger than the definition of a BB as listed in the dictionary. This would define airsoft ammo as not a BB.

Correct. It is a projectile. That which propells a projectile is a firearm.

please tell me why that walmart and meijer sells them,no paperwork,no nothing. 20 bucks and the u-scan.

Your question, if indeed it is a question, is misleading.

What is it that you are asking?

What is the product that the referenced stores sell without paperwork?

How is the product, if regulated, taken through a self scan?

Your inability to articulate your question in a clear and concise manner has previously lead to some misunderstandings.

In an effort to prevent this from occurring again, please restate your question.

If in fact it is a question. The punctuation, or lack thereof, is confusing.

IMO its pretty concise. He goes to walmart/meijers and buys ammo even though he's underage. He also feels it isnt his fault because they sell him the ammo...My thought's to him. Wake up.

This is the problem.

The poster did not say ammo.

Let the poser answer the questions I presented before making comment.

 

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lil_freak_66 wrote:

if you are going to accuse me of a crime please show the evidence.

Whenyou sayevidence, would a FOIA of the Lansing police report regarding the incident in the domicile of which you reside be sufficient?

 

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THway wrote:

lil_freak_66 wrote:

if you are going to accuse me of a crime please show the evidence.

Whenyou sayevidence, would a FOIA of the Lansing police report regarding the incident in the domicile of which you reside be sufficient?

Do you mean the incident where the Lansing officers observed him in possession of a firearm, searched him and found a knife, distanced the firearm from him by placing it in the bathtub (while searching his domicile) and damaged the firearm, and then proceeded to discuss (lecture) him about open carry without him not even having mentioned it? All while in the comfort of his own living room?

Is that the incident you are referring to? That would be a very interesting FOIA to post here. I'd be interested in that.

Especially since the lil_freak didn't bring up open carry, I'd be very interested to know how they are aware of his involvement in promoting the right of open carry.

Is this an attempt to stifle his rights before he even gets to exercise them lawfully?





Watch for the UFO.

 

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pat,if you are going to accuse me of a crime,at least post the evidence,filing a FOIA would only prove you wrong.

 

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lil_freak_66 wrote:

pat,if you are going to accuse me of a crime,at least post the evidence,filing a FOIA would only prove you wrong.

Lil_freak_66, are you trying to bait me into an argument?

Where did I accuse you of anything?

This type of attack is uncalled for. I was actually questioning if this was an attempt to stifle your rights.

Another poster raised the question of the event. Why are you constantly singling me out when so many others are bringing things about you to light?



The UFO is coming.

 

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lil_freak_66 wrote:

as many of yall know i have a 10/22 with a side folding stock,making it a handgun in MI.

 

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lil_freak_66 wrote:

pat,if you are going to accuse me of a crime,at least post the evidence,filing a FOIA would only prove you wrong.

I don't need to do a FOIA to show that criminal activity may be occurring. Your own words do it for you right here:



lil_freak_66 wrote:

as many of yall know i have a 10/22 with a side folding stock,making it a handgun in MI.



a friend offered me a vertical foregrip for it.



before i do anything with it i got to thinking...



as per NFA regulations,handguns must be registered as an AOW if they have a vertical foregrip.

heres where it gets tricky.

state has no laws regarding foregrips on handguns,as they just follow federal law,that i am aware of.

by federal definition it is a long arm,so by that i would not need register as an AOW.

but michigan it is a handgun,which tells me that'd it would have to be registered.



so my question is,though federally it is long arm,since in MI it is a handgun,would i have to make it an AOW to keep legal?



this would apply toalmost anybody else with a folding and/or collapsible stock on a long arm/handgun in MI too...

Here's the link too: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_t...um_id=30&highlight=another+question+to+ponder






Watch for the UFO.

 

[Beerme]

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CV67PAT wrote:

lil_freak_66 wrote:

pat,if you are going to accuse me of a crime,at least post the evidence,filing a FOIA would only prove you wrong.

I don't need to do a FOIA to show that criminal activity may be occurring. Your own words do it for you right here:



lil_freak_66 wrote:

as many of yall know i have a 10/22 with a side folding stock,making it a handgun in MI.



a friend offered me a vertical foregrip for it.



before i do anything with it i got to thinking...



as per NFA regulations,handguns must be registered as an AOW if they have a vertical foregrip.

heres where it gets tricky.

state has no laws regarding foregrips on handguns,as they just follow federal law,that i am aware of.

by federal definition it is a long arm,so by that i would not need register as an AOW.

but michigan it is a handgun,which tells me that'd it would have to be registered.



so my question is,though federally it is long arm,since in MI it is a handgun,would i have to make it an AOW to keep legal?



this would apply toalmost anybody else with a folding and/or collapsible stock on a long arm/handgun in MI too...

Here's the link too: http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/view_topic.php?id=36332&forum_id=30&highlight=another+question+to+ponder






Watch for the UFO.

stop actin like there is something wrong with a minor owning a michigan pistol
oh wait
THERE IS
crime proven

 

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Beerme wrote:

stop actin like there is something wrong with a minor owning a michigan pistol
oh wait
THERE IS
crime proven

If he lives with his parents, then legally the firearm belongs to one of them until he reaches the age of 18. No crime.

 

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Big Gay Al wrote:

Beerme wrote:

stop actin like there is something wrong with a minor owning a michigan pistol
oh wait
THERE IS
crime proven

If he lives with his parents, then legally the firearm belongs to one of them until he reaches the age of 18. No crime.

What part of this implies that his parents own it?

lil_freak_66 wrote:

as many of yall know i have a 10/22 with a side folding stock,making it a handgun in MI.

 

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Big Gay Al wrote:

Beerme wrote:

stop actin like there is something wrong with a minor owning a michigan pistol
oh wait
THERE IS
crime proven

If he lives with his parents, then legally the firearm belongs to one of them until he reaches the age of 18. No crime.

lil_freak_66 wrote:

so here i was,about a half hour ago actually.sleeping,as i usually to till 10am(it was just after 6)

i hear a noise at the door,so i grab my rifle and chamber a round.and proceed toward the frontdoor with the rifle shouldered,once i got to the front door i said dont move or your gonna get shot.turned out it was my sisters father,he yelled it was him.he doesnt live here and just got out of jail an hour or 2 beforehand and was just looking for a place to keep warm,i guess he'd been standing there for a good 10 minutes just standing there outsidewaiting for the others to wake up for the morning,but had just gotten too cold.

so yeah,6am,dark,snowy,dark dressed "bad guy" andmy rifle.

So because someone was outside of his door.
He threatened to shoot them.
Multiple situations to ponder.

#1
Police officer.
#2
Neighbor that hears that, runs away and calls the cops because someone threatened to shoot them.
#3
A animal that continues to make noise and gets shot because someone felt it was better to shoot first and ask questions later.

So you tell me Al

He seems to act like its his gun
he also seems to be ready to use it without knowing how to handle the situation

 

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This is no Diff than one of my students who is under 18 and has several 1911's he competes with. They are registered to his dad and mother one each. And they are his in the sense that he and only he uses them. However due to the laws in this country and this state he has to have 2 one registered to each of his parents so that no matter which one can be at the competition he has at least one gun.

I have never heard him call them his parents gun... they are always referred to as his... now is this right or wrong?

I think you are making a far greater deal out of some of the things that the minor in question has posted then they warrant.

 

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you failed to mention that he pounded on the door so hard it damaged the frame.

giving me good reason to believe that it was not a friendly person.

let me come pounding on your door that way at that time,and see if you act much differently than i did.

you can give it a rest any time now.

 

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autosurgeon wrote:

This is no Diff than one of my students who is under 18 and has several 1911's he competes with. They are registered to his dad and mother one each. And they are his in the sense that he and only he uses them. However due to the laws in this country and this state he has to have 2 one registered to each of his parents so that no matter which one can be at the competition he has at least one gun.

I have never heard him call them his parents gun... they are always referred to as his... now is this right or wrong?

I think you are making a far greater deal out of some of the things that the minor in question has posted then they warrant.

I bet your student is great at those competitions.

I recall that the minor in question owned a 10/22 rifle that may or may not have been registered to a parent or legal guardian. I also recall that the minor in question modified the 10/22 rifle that he owns so that it would be a michigan pistol. Has the minor in question or the parent or legal guardian complete the proper paper work to correctly register this michigan pistol with this states government?

 

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Beerme wrote:

Big Gay Al wrote:

Beerme wrote:

stop actin like there is something wrong with a minor owning a michigan pistol
oh wait
THERE IS
crime proven

If he lives with his parents, then legally the firearm belongs to one of them until he reaches the age of 18. No crime.

lil_freak_66 wrote:

so here i was,about a half hour ago actually.sleeping,as i usually to till 10am(it was just after 6)

i hear a noise at the door,so i grab my rifle and chamber a round.and proceed toward the frontdoor with the rifle shouldered,once i got to the front door i said dont move or your gonna get shot.turned out it was my sisters father,he yelled it was him.he doesnt live here and just got out of jail an hour or 2 beforehand and was just looking for a place to keep warm,i guess he'd been standing there for a good 10 minutes just standing there outsidewaiting for the others to wake up for the morning,but had just gotten too cold.

so yeah,6am,dark,snowy,dark dressed "bad guy" andmy rifle.

So because someone was outside of his door.
He threatened to shoot them.
Multiple situations to ponder.

#1
Police officer.
#2
Neighbor that hears that, runs away and calls the cops because someone threatened to shoot them.
#3
A animal that continues to make noise and gets shot because someone felt it was better to shoot first and ask questions later.

So you tell me Al

He seems to act like its his gun
he also seems to be ready to use it without knowing how to handle the situation

His parents (or legal guardians) bought the gun. Show me where he shot anyone.