what age to oc

[zigziggityzoo]

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[jeremiahJohnson]

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zigziggityzoo wrote:

Airsoft comes in .177 and .22 caliber.

.177 is not a legal firearm in MI. .22 caliber is and must be treated as such.

thanks Zig I did not know the airsft came in a 177, ours is a 6mm.

 

[zigziggityzoo]

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I was wrong -srry.

6mm and 8mm

6mm is .236 caliber.

8mm is .314 caliber.

 

[Venator]

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wally1120 wrote:

So he could posses it because it wasn't a handgun. The only point is was he under adult supervision. I say he was. BTW his mom is very cute.

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[Beerme]

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Venator wrote:

wally1120 wrote:

So he could posses it because it wasn't a handgun. The only point is was he under adult supervision. I say he was. BTW his mom is very cute.

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she looks 23

 

[wally1120]

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Lets see a Picture with Lil_Freak_66 standing next to her.

WE WANT PROOF THIS IS HIS MOM.

 

[Venator]

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zigziggityzoo wrote:

I was wrong -srry.

6mm and 8mm

6mm is .236 caliber.

8mm is .314 caliber.

Does an air soft produce a dangerous projectile??? I've been shot with them many times at close range and It didn't seem to be dangerous to me. But I am a rather viral man.

 

[jeremiahJohnson]

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zigziggityzoo wrote:

I was wrong -srry.

6mm and 8mm

6mm is .236 caliber.

8mm is .314 caliber.

so they are firearms. cool

 

[Venator]

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Beerme wrote:

Venator wrote:

wally1120 wrote:

So he could posses it because it wasn't a handgun. The only point is was he under adult supervision. I say he was. BTW his mom is very cute.

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she looks 23

Yes the picture is when she was 24. Besides Wally wanted a picture he never said of who.

 

[jeremiahJohnson]

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Venator wrote:

zigziggityzoo wrote:

I was wrong -srry.

6mm and 8mm

6mm is .236 caliber.

8mm is .314 caliber.

Does an air soft produce a dangerous projectile??? I've been shot with them many times at close range and It didn't seem to be dangerous to me. But I am a rather viral man.

It stings does that count? :lol:

 

[Venator]

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CrossPistols wrote:

Venator wrote:

zigziggityzoo wrote:

I was wrong -srry.

6mm and 8mm

6mm is .236 caliber.

8mm is .314 caliber.

Does an air soft produce a dangerous projectile??? I've been shot with them many times at close range and It didn't seem to be dangerous to me. But I am a rather viral man.

It stings does that count? :lol:

Whimp!

 

[Beerme]

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Venator wrote:

Beerme wrote:

Venator wrote:

wally1120 wrote:

So he could posses it because it wasn't a handgun. The only point is was he under adult supervision. I say he was. BTW his mom is very cute.

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she looks 23

Yes the picture is when she was 24. Besides Wally wanted a picture he never said of who.

you knew who we meant, you dirty cheater

 

[autosurgeon]

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Hmmm my paintball gun hits much harder than an airsoft gun and is a much larger .68 caliber.... following the logic employed here it must be a firearm.... BUT it's not...

 

[Venator]

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Well if they are a firearm they are covered by preemption.

And as for the handgun style modelsif they too are a firearm they mustbeby definitiona handgun and therefore you need to have a purchase permit or a CPL to buy one.

Since you do not need a purchase permit they must not be considered a handgun. And if they are not considered a handgun but they are a firearm...wait now I'm confused.

 

[Venator]

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autosurgeon wrote:

Hmmm my paintball gun hits much harder than an airsoft gun and is a much larger .68 caliber.... following the logic employed here it must be a firearm.... BUT it's not...

So is my potato gun.

 

[autosurgeon]

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Venator wrote:

autosurgeon wrote:

Hmmm my paintball gun hits much harder than an airsoft gun and is a much larger .68 caliber.... following the logic employed here it must be a firearm.... BUT it's not...

So is my potato gun.

now now we all know that is a cannon :what::celebrate

 

[cabman1]

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now now we all know that is a cannon :what::celebrate
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now I thought I was the only cannon in here. lmao

 

[THway]

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Venator wrote:

autosurgeon wrote: So is my potato gun.

Be careful what you launch with your potato cannon... as the BATFE might not like it and come after you....

Letter from the ATF
The following letter is from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms

Department of the Treasury Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms Washington, DC 20226 As defined in section 921(a) (3) of Title 18, United States Code (USC) the term "firearm" means -- * (A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; * (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon; * (C) any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; or * (D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm. As defined in 26 USC subsection 5845(f) (2) the term destructive device includes any type of weapon by whatever name known which will, or which may readily be converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellent, the barrel or barrels of which have a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter, except a shotgun or shotgun shell which the Secretary or his delegate finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes; and (3) any combination of parts either designed or intended for use in converting any device into a destructive device as defined in subparagraphs (1) and (2) and from which a destructive device may be readily assembled. The term 'destructive device' shall not include any device which is neither designed nor redesigned for use as a weapon; any device, although originally designed for use as a weapon, which is redesigned for use as a signaling, pyrotechnic, line throwing, safety, or similar device; surplus ordnance sold, loaned, or given by the Secretary of the Army pursuant to the provisions of section 4684(2), 4685, or 4686 of title 10 of the USC; or any other device which the Secretary of the Treasury or his delegate finds is not likely to be used as a weapon, or is an antique or is a rifle which the owner intends to use solely for sporting purposes. It is unlawful for anyone to make or possess a destructive device which is not registered in accordance with the provisions of the National Firearms Act. We have previously examined that certain muzzle loading devices known as "potato guns." These potato guns are constructed from PVC plastic tubing. They use hair spray or a similar aerosol substance for a propellant, and have some type of spark ignitor. We have determined that these devices, as described, are not firearms provided that they are used solely for launching potatoes for recreational purposes. However, any such devices which are used as weapons or used to launch other forms of projectiles may be firearms and destructive devices as defined.​

 

[kyleplusitunes]

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why is this just now coming out as a debate? how long ago was it now? are you running out of things to argue about?

www.worldofwarcraft.com/guildrecruitment

 

[FatboyCykes]

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THway wrote:

Venator wrote:

autosurgeon wrote: So is my potato gun.

Be careful what you launch with your potato cannon... as the BATFE might not like it and come after you....

Letter from the ATF
The following letter is from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms

Department of the Treasury Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms Washington, DC 20226 As defined in section 921(a) (3) of Title 18, United States Code (USC) the term "firearm" means -- * (A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may readily be converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive; * (B) the frame or receiver of any such weapon; * (C) any firearm muffler or firearm silencer; or * (D) any destructive device. Such term does not include an antique firearm. As defined in 26 USC subsection 5845(f) (2) the term destructive device includes any type of weapon by whatever name known which will, or which may readily be converted to, expel a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellent, the barrel or barrels of which have a bore of more than one-half inch in diameter, except a shotgun or shotgun shell which the Secretary or his delegate finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting purposes; and (3) any combination of parts either designed or intended for use in converting any device into a destructive device as defined in subparagraphs (1) and (2) and from which a destructive device may be readily assembled. The term 'destructive device' shall not include any device which is neither designed nor redesigned for use as a weapon; any device, although originally designed for use as a weapon, which is redesigned for use as a signaling, pyrotechnic, line throwing, safety, or similar device; surplus ordnance sold, loaned, or given by the Secretary of the Army pursuant to the provisions of section 4684(2), 4685, or 4686 of title 10 of the USC; or any other device which the Secretary of the Treasury or his delegate finds is not likely to be used as a weapon, or is an antique or is a rifle which the owner intends to use solely for sporting purposes. It is unlawful for anyone to make or possess a destructive device which is not registered in accordance with the provisions of the National Firearms Act. We have previously examined that certain muzzle loading devices known as "potato guns." These potato guns are constructed from PVC plastic tubing. They use hair spray or a similar aerosol substance for a propellant, and have some type of spark ignitor. We have determined that these devices, as described, are not firearms provided that they are used solely for launching potatoes for recreational purposes. However, any such devices which are used as weapons or used to launch other forms of projectiles may be firearms and destructive devices as defined.​

THway
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Joined:Thu Aug 21st, 2008 Location:CV67PAT wrote:

First, I want to thank John for the reinstatement of my account.

I communicated with him earlier and apologize for the added work and heartburn that my posting had caused.

I promised to refrain from posting as I have in the past and would restrain myself.

I wish to also thank the individual that interceded on my behalf.

Having said that, I feel compelled to add that while I will not post here as a distraction, this doesn't mean that I am stepping back from exposing the improprieties that I witness. I will just use a different venue.

Again my sincere and humble apologies to John and Mike.

You are very welcome... I am glad to see that you are back. However I am leaving.

At this time in my life, I cannot be associated with the past present and possibly future illegal activities of certain members within the Michigan section of this movement. I for one do not wish to attend an OC event where a minor is handed an airsoft gun to carry. Nor do I wish to associate myself with anyone who supports or condones the illegal possession of firearms. I also do not appreciate the behavior of other members here with their vulgar remarks towards the owners of this site. Further more, I do not wish to partake in any illegal activitiesunknown or otherwisein the future, by any member of this site or movement at any event.

PAT, I have known you personally now for a long time. We have had our disagreements in the past. But when I took the time to get to know you, we have become close friends. You may come across harsh and coarse, but you speak the truth.

With this being said, I wish you well, and I look forward to seeing you this summer when you come back up to Michigan.

Best regards,

THway

Last edited on Fri Mar 26th, 2010 04:01 pm by THway