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The FLag as a political too1 - JUST WRONG!

solus

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charlie, you are unequivocally the easiest individual i have run across to challenge, real or perceived, as well as the most predictable to degrade, insult, hurl playground epithets back at those initiating the challenge to your intellectually perceived superiority complex.

i want to thank you for your continued participation...as mentioned previously, fascinating to watch...

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Dave_pro2a

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But you do seem to need to make an inordinately large number of responses to just one or two posts.

Do your thoughts come slowly? Don't worry, the perfect comeback will come to you eventually, Costanza.

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Who wouldn't. And who, sitting as either judge or jury would impose any penalty on such conduct if nobody was injured? ...
Given the cabin example, the thief could injure the owner if the owner returns to his cabin and discovers he now has no food.

The intent is to deprive the owner of his property for self survival. Which is manslaughter, not murder, and certainly not justifiable self-defense.

Regarding the speeding/red light, it is the prerogative of the "injured" to determine if a consequence is to be imposed.

http://www.trafficviolationlawfirms.com/Speeding-Ticket-during-emergency.htm

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/1...iving-heart-attack-suffering-dad-to-hospital/

State chief executives should not be held harmless for ordering the national flag to half staff. I am not calling for a civil/criminal consequence only public ridicule for his presumptuousness.
 

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This is the only flag that I recognize, love, respect, above ALL ELSE, in terms of loyalty, politics, and allegeince...

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sudden valley gunner

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Burning a flag is always good even when its distasteful, unless it isn't your property.

Burning to properly dispose of= Good
Burning for free speech = Good
Burning to keep warm = Good.

Even if rampant idolatry of the flag persists to be the societal norm, it would be good to burn it in simple protest against that idolatry and against putting a nation above individual liberties.
 

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charlie, you are unequivocally the easiest individual i have run across to challenge, real or perceived, as well as the most predictable to degrade, insult, hurl playground epithets back at those initiating the challenge to your intellectually perceived superiority complex.

Coming from a sanctimonious semi-literate who thinks that violent carjackers who get shot by LACs are actually "victims" and who feels compelled to lecture newbies on their moral character over a few edits to a post, I'll give your opinion all the credence it merits.

Now, take your pathetic ee cummings impersonation and go troll someone else.
 

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Coming from a sanctimonious semi-literate who thinks that violent carjackers who get shot by LACs are actually "victims" and who feels compelled to lecture newbies on their moral character over a few edits to a post, I'll give your opinion all the credence it merits.

Now, take your pathetic ee cummings impersonation and go troll someone else.

Oh Noze. Utah blew a gasket!
 

Dave_pro2a

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This is the only flag that I recognize, love, respect, above ALL ELSE, in terms of loyalty, politics, and allegeince...

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Oh that's cause it has 2 dudes hugging on it.

(that's a joke Drake, srsly, humor. Humor can mean acceptance, just ask Chris Rock) ;)

I still like the flag with 13 stars. The flag that flew when the Confederated States of America broke off from Merry old England.

The flag that really symbolizes freedom.

The flag that showed 13 separate and sovereign states join in unified action.

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I like the Gadsen flag.

Me, too.

I came across a single item a few years ago that said Ben Franklin was the original source for the rattlesnake. Don't recall much now except three points: 1) it was a better symbol for America (as opposed to the turkey). He advocated for the rattlesnake because, among his full list, 2) she gave a warning (rattles) before fighting, and 3) lacking eyelids she never relaxed her alertness to (danger? tyranny? can't recall).

Anybody have any information that Franklin's comments inspired the Gadsden Flag?


ETA: Changed the spelling from "rattlesnack" to rattlesnake. :)
 
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Citizen

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The designer Christopher Gadsden, a Son of Liberty, from Charleston, SC, was a contemporary of Franklin and a delegate to the Continental Congress.

Cool. It would be kinda neat to draw a definite line connecting Franklin's comment to the flag.

For example, one can draw a definite connection between John Adams and the Fourth Amendment.

In the 1750's or 60's the king died--George II. In the colonies, general warrants had been issued while the king was alive. They were called Writs of Assistance. They allowed the king's agents to search for certain untaxed goods where ever the agent wanted on the flimsiest excuse--no probable cause needed. One little problem: the Writs expired six months after the death of the king.

So, when the king died, the writs had to be re-authorized. New problem: some colonial governments were reluctant to authorize new writs. Even the Attorney General of England admitted there was no legal authority to compel a colonial officer to issue a Writ of Assistance.

So, it had to be settled in colonial courts. For example, a southern state (South Carolina?) thoroughly ducked and dodged issuing a new Writ of Assistance.

It came to a head, partly, in Paxton's Case. A fella named Paxton sued in court to force a new Writ of Assistance be issued to him. A fella named Otis showed up in court. Claiming to represent the people, he argued for three or four hours against the issuance of a Writ. In the audience that day was a young lawyer named John Adams. Years late Adams said (paraphrase) that in that courtroom the flame of liberty was kindled.

Years later, Adams had documented influence in the adoption of the Fourth Amendment.

So, a direct link can be drawn between Adams, the 4A, and what he witnessed that day in Paxton's case.

It would be kinda cool to have a direct documented link between Franklin, his rattlesnake recommendation, and the Gadsden flag.
 
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Way off topic AGAIN!

so as usual, the current posts bear little if any relevance to the post by the OP (me by the way!).

As the OP, let me say that to me the Flag is a representation of the Republic. I pledged allegiance to it and to the Republic for which it stands. I object to it being used to make a political statement about an event that touched very few of the members of this republic.

Enough said, moderator please close this thread as I believe any meaningful insight or opinions have been expressed and leaving it open will only invite the trolls in.
 

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Me, too.

I came across a single item a few years ago that said Ben Franklin was the original source for the rattlesnake. Don't recall much now except three points: 1) it was a better symbol for America (as opposed to the turkey). He advocated for the rattlesnake because, among his full list, 2) she gave a warning (rattles) before fighting, and 3) lacking eyelids she never relaxed her alertness to (danger? tyranny? can't recall).

Anybody have any information that Franklin's comments inspired the Gadsden Flag?


ETA: Changed the spelling from "rattlesnack" to rattlesnake. :)

The Gadsden flag is fairly clearly inspired by Franklin's "Join or Die" cartoon. In pre-revolutionary America, the rattlesnake became a symbol commonly understood amongst Whigs (at least) to represent a creature who never attacks but in self-preservation, and is eminently lethal when provoked.
 

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As the OP, let me say that to me the Flag is a representation of the Republic. I pledged allegiance to it and to the Republic for which it stands. I object to it being used to make a political statement about an event that touched very few of the members of this republic.

From where I sit, the flag is a symbol of government. Government defines, creates, and legislates every detail of the flag. The flag does not represent me or any other person, the amalgamation of whom are quite literally the constituents of "our Republic", and provide whatever legitimacy our government has.

I draw a bright line between a country (the land, people, and customs) and the government which attaches itself in leechlike fashion to that country. This is a more appropriately American view, in my estimation, than is all the misguided pseudo-patriotic flag-worship under the sun. (Americans are i to be suspicious of government, dammit!)

Ultimately, it's just a symbol; symbols are a form of communication, and the semantic content of communication is necessarily decided by the recipient. So if I decide that a flag is a symbol of a bloated, overbearing and inefficient government, then that's exactly what it means when you wave it in my face.
 
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stealthyeliminator

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so as usual, the current posts bear little if any relevance to the post by the OP (me by the way!).

As the OP, let me say that to me the Flag is a representation of the Republic. I pledged allegiance to it and to the Republic for which it stands. I object to it being used to make a political statement about an event that touched very few of the members of this republic.

Enough said, moderator please close this thread as I believe any meaningful insight or opinions have been expressed and leaving it open will only invite the trolls in.

IMO the request for the thread to be closed should be ignored... Perhaps the thread didn't go the way you wanted... too bad. Additionally, it isn't for you to decide when enough has been said.

Personally, I don't think I could fully get on board with your objection. I am not so enamored with the beloved "republic" that I am quickly and highly offended by (mis)uses of symbols representing it.
 

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so as usual, the current posts bear little if any relevance to the post by the OP (me by the way!).

As the OP, let me say that to me the Flag is a representation of the Republic. I pledged allegiance to it and to the Republic for which it stands. I object to it being used to make a political statement about an event that touched very few of the members of this republic.

The tired old pledge of allegiance huh.

Do you know it's history? It's very political origins?
 

solus

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alas, i must also state closing of the thread would do a disservice to this individual who is fascinated with the history about the piece of cloth(es) that some hold so dear. as well as something not presented in history in hs.

ipse
 
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