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The FLag as a political too1 - JUST WRONG!

utbagpiper

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One problem, Catholics are not Christians.

Of course Catholics are Christian. But Catholics recognize Jesus of Nazareth as the Only Begotten Son, the promised Messiah, the Savior. Catholic Communion is the Catholic Sacrament of the Lord's Last Supper. What more do you require before recognizing a church's claim to be Christian?

Yes, Catholic doctrine differs from that of Protestants including Evangelicals, as well as from Restorationist denominations.

That a man, or a church/demonization has different beliefs about the nature of God or Jesus, or some point of doctrine than you or I do doesn't mean that man or church isn't Christian.

Jesus, Himself, reminded us that it will not be our or any other man's assessment of who was or wasn't a true Christian. Christ reserves that judgment to himself.

All of which is irrelevant to the manner in which Davey Constanza exposes his rank, anti-religious bigotries by deliberately making a mock of entirely unrelated, sacred religious beliefs.

Charles
 

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anybody want in the wager pool?

wondered how long it would take to make it a religious thread...

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One problem, Catholics are not Christians.

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Two problems with that little canard:

ONE: If Catholics aren't Christians, then Christianity isn't even close to holding the title of "#1 religion in the world". (No points for guessing which religion would be #1 in that case.) :uhoh:

TWO: Just whom do you think it was who compiled the various diverse stories of the Bible into one unified anthology? If Catholics aren't Christians, then what does the "fact" that it was originally canonized by a bunch of heretics say about the integrity of the Christian holy book? :shocker:
 
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Of course Catholics are Christian. But Catholics recognize Jesus of Nazareth as the Only Begotten Son, the promised Messiah, the Savior. Catholic Communion is the Catholic Sacrament of the Lord's Last Supper. What more do you require before recognizing a church's claim to be Christian?

Yes, Catholic doctrine differs from that of Protestants including Evangelicals, as well as from Restorationist denominations.

That a man, or a church/demonization has different beliefs about the nature of God or Jesus, or some point of doctrine than you or I do doesn't mean that man or church isn't Christian.

Jesus, Himself, reminded us that it will not be our or any other man's assessment of who was or wasn't a true Christian. Christ reserves that judgment to himself.

All of which is irrelevant to the manner in which Davey Constanza exposes his rank, anti-religious bigotries by deliberately making a mock of entirely unrelated, sacred religious beliefs.

Charles
No, Catholics are not Christians.
Christians existed long before Catholicism.

The Catholic Church came about as the Roman's pagan practices attempt to destroy the Christian doctrine.

This is why part of why the Catholic Church changed the public belief about the sabbath away from Saturday (which is the bibical day of rest) to Sunday (a pagan worship day), they started charging usury (interest on loans) in violation of bibical law, they also promote the worship of idols, this does not even get into the pratice of spell casting, magic, and more.

I never said that any of the other Churches most of which are nothing more than perverse off shoots of the Roman Catholic Church, were Christian either.

To get into any finer detail would require me to borrow/get hold of old history/reference books.

So your claim that Catholics, who violate so many bibical laws, are Christians is false.

There is more to this, however I am trying to refrain from getting into more details here and now.

So, go back to celebrating your pagan holidays and calling yourself Christian.

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Two problems with that little canard:

ONE: If Catholics aren't Christians, then Christianity isn't even close to holding the title of "#1 religion in the world". (No points for guessing which religion would be #1 in that case.) :uhoh:

TWO: Just whom do you think it was who compiled the various diverse stories of the Bible into one unified anthology? If Catholics aren't Christians, then what does the "fact" that it was originally canonized by a bunch of heretics say about the integrity of the Christian holy book? :shocker:
This would require the details I still remember that I am leaving out for the peace of the forum.

But Christianity is not the most prevalent religion in the world, due to what a Christian really is.

Much like the belief that the flag represents democracy, it is a gross distortion and outright lie of what the founders of this country wanted for us.

Also the Catholic founders did not compile the book to educate but rather to edit out anything that they did not want the masses to learn, this is part of why the Catholic Church did not want the bible put into English. The Catholic Church wanted to keep the masses ignorant about what was allowed to stay in the bible.

Much like the media does now about the purpose of the flag, the real history of flags, and many many other things.

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Funny, those words aren't part of the OP, which I just went back and read before making this post. To what "start" could you possibly be referring?

oldest joke...made ya look!!

ipse

PS: there are some subtle innuendos floating around at times De Rat...
 
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The Gadsden flag is fairly clearly inspired by Franklin's "Join or Die" cartoon. In pre-revolutionary America, the rattlesnake became a symbol commonly understood amongst Whigs (at least) to represent a creature who never attacks but in self-preservation, and is eminently lethal when provoked.

I had forgotten all about that. Thanks!
 

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The display of the flag, half masted or not, by a private citizen could be nothing more than a display of respect for those (perhaps a family member?) who have sacrificed for our country. Condemnation of these citizens is misdirected. Condemn the flag, you also condemn those who hold the flag in high regard, condemn those (typically elected/appointed government employees) who falsely wrap themselves in the flag in the hopes that their misdeeds will be excused.

Could it be that there is a issue only with who half masts the flag, and not a issue with why it is half masted.

To answer your question, my issue was why it was being half masted vice who was half masting it, although that does not resolve those who ordered the half masting from doing so for questionable reasons beyond why it was being half masted.
 

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America is NOT the greatest country in the world, anymore.

There is no fence keeping anyone here.

I've never understood why mature, self-sufficient adults would choose to live someplace they didn't like, being unhappy and complaining, rather than relocating to somewhere that better suited them.
 

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Jesus wouldn't advocate breaking someone's finger for flipping the bird.

A rather callow response regarding what Jesus would or wouldn't do.

I won't claim to know what Jesus would do in every circumstance. But I recognize that the man who said "Turn the other cheek" also used significant physical violence not once, but twice to run peaceful merchants out of the Temple in Jerusalem.

In term of a personal insult, your post is rather ugly in that it attempts to call into question my personal standing before my God over an on-line disagreement regarding politics. Very uncivil of you.
 

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So, go back to celebrating your pagan holidays and calling yourself Christian.

And return to your sanctimonious judgments of who you think is worthy to be called a Christian. Christ, Himself, made pretty clear that He alone would determine who His followers were.

A person or church who professes Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah, the Son of God and who attempts--however imperfectly--to follow His teachers as best he understands them, is a Christian. Whatever doctrinal differences he may have with you, me, or anyone else, it is not your place nor mine to declare such a person something other than what he claims to be. What utter arrogance to proclaim otherwise.
 

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[Article about americans renouncing citizenship]
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

Hmm indeed. I'm well aware of this. But since you posted as evidence of America's failings, I see only 3 possibilities:

1-You don't actually believe this applies to most people and so your use of the article to make your point is dishonest.

2-You do actually believe the article applies to most people and are actively working toward joining these folks in expatriating and renouncing your citizenship. In this case, you have my utmost respect even as I disagree with you. Go in peace and find happiness.

3-You actually believe the article applies to most people, but you lack the courage of your conviction to act in accordance with your beliefs. You fully intend to continue living in the nation even as you detest it. In such a case, I regard you as any man with no courage of conviction should be regarded.

I welcome a materially different fourth option if you can find one.
 

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Hmm indeed. I'm well aware of this. But since you posted as evidence of America's failings, I see only 3 possibilities:

1-You don't actually believe this applies to most people and so your use of the article to make your point is dishonest.

2-You do actually believe the article applies to most people and are actively working toward joining these folks in expatriating and renouncing your citizenship. In this case, you have my utmost respect even as I disagree with you. Go in peace and find happiness.

3-You actually believe the article applies to most people, but you lack the courage of your conviction to act in accordance with your beliefs. You fully intend to continue living in the nation even as you detest it. In such a case, I regard you as any man with no courage of conviction should be regarded.

I welcome a materially different fourth option if you can find one.

Option 4) it has nothing to do with me.


It's simply proof that the # of people becoming very fed up with the feds, is.... accelerating.

People ARE deciding (or realizing) other countries are BETTER. Then they are leaving.

As a % of the population it's still a small #. But as year over year growth shows, it's accelerating nicely.
 
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