So it turns out I'm a criminal with no rights.

[wrightme]

hyperbole? what making up words now?.

Nope: Hyperbole

 

[wrightme]

Well now, he could have ran this check and saved me the trip.

Not without you there to fill it out, I thought that was clear.

If I passed the check, then I could have went and filled out the form.

That reverses the sequence. FIRST you fill out the form. THEN the bg check is ran.

In any case I had the items in question removed from here. most will be sold, a couple will be saved, but for now, I'm no longer a threat. I am no longer in possesion of them, rejoice. Maybe this is a blessing in desiguse, If I had been stopped open carrying, and this came up, I'd be in a world of U no What.

No, you would only be in a 'world of U no What' if you are actually a prohibited person. Frankly, the FFL needs NO real reason to refuse to sell to you. If you came across to him, as you appear here, I would not be surprised at all if he simply said 'you failed the bg check' to get you out of his shop.

 

[marshaul]

...he simply said 'you failed the bg check' to get you out of his shop.

Wouldn't that be illegal?

 

[wrightme]

Wouldn't that be illegal?

Lying about the bg check? Possibly.

Refusing to sell due to a failure of 'gut check?' Nah.

 

[WalkingWolf]

hyperbole? what making up words now?

What "working on getting it"??? Just ask. Tell him you are appealing the deny. If he refuses to tell you (unless he is a total moron, he won't), tell him that you will inform the FBI and the ATF that he is illegally withholding the number. He won't risk his FFL by not following the procedures. You'll get the number. It ain't a State secret.

I did, I called, I asked. He is busy, he is off on some errand, he can't be bothered with it right now. I thought I mentioned that. But If he feels like messing with it, he might get back with me on Wednsday. What should I expect of someone who lied to me about selling me the item? Also, I did talk to an attorney breifly, will again next week. I don't know what this seller's sick game is, but I think maybe others should be warned of his scam.


Nope. Not required. The transferee has to be there in person to fill out the 4473. He doesn't have to be there when the check is run. Most FFLs use computers to do the NICS check, which truly is "instant," so the transferee is usually right there, but does not have to be. I only have to have the 4473 with the transferee's answers and his signature in front of me when I run the NICS check, not the transferee himself. .

Well now, he could have ran this check and saved me the trip. If I passed the check, then I could have went and filled out the form. In any case I had the items in question removed from here. most will be sold, a couple will be saved, but for now, I'm no longer a threat. I am no longer in possesion of them, rejoice. Maybe this is a blessing in desiguse, If I had been stopped open carrying, and this came up, I'd be in a world of U no What.

How so? Being denied is not the same thing as being a felon in possession. It just means you were denied. Christ if I hid and sold my guns every time I was delayed it would be like playing musical chairs. A dealer cannot sell if you are denied, they also cannot sell a handgun to a anyone younger than 21, BUT it does not mean that anyone under 21 cannot own a firearm. If you know for sure you are not allowed firearms then by all means find somebody to hold them until the mess is cleared up. But if you are just going on what ONE dealer said, you are acting foolish.

 

[joanie]

How so? Being denied is not the same thing as being a felon in possession. It just means you were denied. Christ if I hid and sold my guns every time I was delayed it would be like playing musical chairs. A dealer cannot sell if you are denied, they also cannot sell a handgun to a anyone younger than 21, BUT it does not mean that anyone under 21 cannot own a firearm. If you know for sure you are not allowed firearms then by all means find somebody to hold them until the mess is cleared up. But if you are just going on what ONE dealer said, you are acting foolish.

Maybe, but am I out of line to be upset and angry about this? No I don't know for sure, it's frustrating that no one else seems to know, or is not willing to tell me. It's not so much breaking the law that concerns me, I don't hold all laws as sacret the way some do, it's not knowing if I am or not that I can be prepaired. Maybe wednsday I can get some answers along with that transaction number.

It's cool though. I may not know where I stand in one area, but I learned real fast where I stand in another. For every seller's BBL I make it on, theres always 1,000 others who will gladly take my cash. This seller is just getting the gas stations rich with his lies, he should be getting kickbacks from them.

 

[Mixael]

When the seller refused to give you the transaction number for the failed BG check, why did you not report it, as has been said several times in this thread? The dealer/seller essentially told you to go away and don't bother him, he'll give you the number in his own sweet time....yet you do nothing? WHY? Since he has already blown you off and is/has been actively evading the issue, what makes you think you have a chance of getting the info on Wednesday? As you have been advised on several times, NOTIFY THE FBI/BATF THAT THE SELLER IS REFUSING TO PROVIDE THE TRANSACTION NUMBER.

{After reading this thread, and the excuses given for taking no REAL action yet, I am inclined to question the OP's motives in this, as well as wondering (as someone has already stated) if OP is simply trying to outrun prohibited status....just my opinion, and stuff.}

I AM NOT A LAWYER. I GIVE NO LEGAL ADVICE, ONLY SAYING WHAT I *THINK* SHOULD BE DONE. AGAIN, I AM NOT A LAWYER.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Maybe, but am I out of line to be upset and angry about this? No I don't know for sure, it's frustrating that no one else seems to know, or is not willing to tell me. It's not so much breaking the law that concerns me, I don't hold all laws as sacret the way some do, it's not knowing if I am or not that I can be prepaired. Maybe wednsday I can get some answers along with that transaction number.

It's cool though. I may not know where I stand in one area, but I learned real fast where I stand in another. For every seller's BBL I make it on, theres always 1,000 others who will gladly take my cash. This seller is just getting the gas stations rich with his lies, he should be getting kickbacks from them.

Awww there is a bit of information we did not know. So this transaction was from a online auction that the seller wanted to back out on. The first thing you should do is get a brick and mortar dealer to run a BG on you. There can be many reasons why a dealer would want to back out of a deal, BUT on a online auction site they face sanctions by the site for such behavior without good reason. That would explain his refusal to give you the number. You may have gone off the deep end for something that is common on auction sites.

If that is what it is, next time instead of wasting gas have another dealer transfer the weapon for you. Whenever I have bought online I always use a local dealer to transfer, even in state. Twenty five for a transfer is cheaper and less hassle than driving a couple hundred miles, unless you just wanted a road trip.

BTW if it turns out that is what all this was, then have mods delete this whole thread. Not a good thing to have this kind of rant floating around. IMO if you were not permitted, with the reputation you have with LE, they would have already busted you.

 

[eye95]

I am beginning to wonder. Did you fill out a 4473? If you did not, and the FFL ran the background check, one or both of you broke some laws.

If you did fill out a 4473, after which the FFL ran the check, he would have recorded the NICS number on the 4473. There is no "too busy" to get you the number. He grabs the form and reads you the 7-character number that he wrote on the form.

One of two things is happening here: Either this "dealer" is not following the procedure as set down in the law and in regulations, or we are being BSed.

As I said before, call the dealer and demand the NICS number--immediately. If he won't give it to you, call the ATF and tell them. He could lose his license, so I don't believe for a second that he won't tell you the number.

That is, of course, if you or we (or both) are not being deceived.

I don't know why you won't follow this simple advice. I am beginning to become suspicious about why.

 

[eye95]

Maybe, but am I out of line to be upset and angry about this? No I don't know for sure, it's frustrating that no one else seems to know, or is not willing to tell me. It's not so much breaking the law that concerns me, I don't hold all laws as sacret the way some do, it's not knowing if I am or not that I can be prepaired. Maybe wednsday I can get some answers along with that transaction number.

It's cool though. I may not know where I stand in one area, but I learned real fast where I stand in another. For every seller's BBL I make it on, theres always 1,000 others who will gladly take my cash. This seller is just getting the gas stations rich with his lies, he should be getting kickbacks from them.

Yes. You are being out of line being upset and angry to the extent and in the way that you are. Take the advice you have been given. No emotional outbursts needed. Just fix the damned problem. That is what emotionally healthy people do: They do not allow emotions to interfere with their normal functioning. If your emotions are preventing you from taking rational action, seek help.
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Reality check: FFLs don't have lists of people they won't sell to. They run NICS checks to make this decision--and then follow the results of those checks religiously to keep their license.

Someone here is either lying or breaking the law regarding the sale of firearms (or both). I suggest that you make damned sure you are following the law. If you are, stop bellyaching and take the advice you are being given. If you are not, stop posting. Now. If either the FBI or ATF get wind of what you contend is going on here, an excrement storm is on its way.

 

[joanie]

I did try to report it, they wouldn't take my report. 1-877-324-6427 www.fbi.gov/NICS 614-827-8470 ...

This was not an auction, it was a listing on a online classifids.

I can not fix the problem without the transaction number, and the seller is not giving it. I was told I have to drive another 200 miles to get the number in person. Throwing good money after bad. He is not required to give me the transaction number over the phone. So there you go, I didn't pass the check and I have no possible way of knowing why.

But I'm out of line, and it's my fault somehow according to some on this board. Because these NICS back ground checks are a wonderfull thing that really does work to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, because no criminal, murderer, or bank robber would ever buy or steal a gun without going through these proper channels. And the sheriffs are a wonderfull bunch who would never lie and abuse their power.

These replys are sickining.

 

[palerider116]

There WAS more to the story.

Recommend a thread closure or lock. This is full of half-truths and deliberate withholding of pertinent facts. A private seller has the right to deny the sale. End of story.

 

[OC for ME]

I did try to report it, they wouldn't take my report. 1-877-324-6427 www.fbi.gov/NICS 614-827-8470 ...

This was not an auction, it was a listing on a online classifids.

I can not fix the problem without the transaction number, and the seller is not giving it. I was told I have to drive another 200 miles to get the number in person. Throwing good money after bad. He is not required to give me the transaction number over the phone. So there you go, I didn't pass the check and I have no possible way of knowing why.

But I'm out of line, and it's my fault somehow according to some on this board. Because these NICS back ground checks are a wonderfull thing that really does work to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, because no criminal, murderer, or bank robber would ever buy or steal a gun without going through these proper channels. And the sheriffs are a wonderfull bunch who would never lie and abuse their power.

These replys are sickining.

troll

 

[wrightme]

I did try to report it, they wouldn't take my report. 1-877-324-6427 www.fbi.gov/NICS 614-827-8470 ...

This was not an auction, it was a listing on a online classifids.

Online classifieds? Do you have a link for us?

I can not fix the problem without the transaction number, and the seller is not giving it. I was told I have to drive another 200 miles to get the number in person. Throwing good money after bad. He is not required to give me the transaction number over the phone. So there you go, I didn't pass the check and I have no possible way of knowing why.

But I'm out of line, and it's my fault somehow according to some on this board. Because these NICS back ground checks are a wonderfull thing that really does work to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, because no criminal, murderer, or bank robber would ever buy or steal a gun without going through these proper channels. And the sheriffs are a wonderfull bunch who would never lie and abuse their power. These replys are sickining.

No. Not at all. That is hyperbole, and isn't useful.


The more often you present that way, the less credible you become, and less willing will others be to assist.

 

[WalkingWolf]

There WAS more to the story.

Recommend a thread closure or lock. This is full of half-truths and deliberate withholding of pertinent facts. A private seller has the right to deny the sale. End of story.

It should be locked for her own good. She posted BBL(Blocked Bidder List) which is common on auction sites, yes you can buy direct on them, but they are still auction sites. And it is common for sellers to back out of sales, which the sites place sanctions on the seller for. She should have had the firearm shipped to a B&M local gun shop, unless there actually is a problem with her status.

Mods please lock the thread, it has become a circus that is not in her best interest or ours.

 

[eye95]

I did try to report it, they wouldn't take my report. 1-877-324-6427 www.fbi.gov/NICS 614-827-8470 ...

This was not an auction, it was a listing on a online classifids.

I can not fix the problem without the transaction number, and the seller is not giving it. I was told I have to drive another 200 miles to get the number in person. Throwing good money after bad. He is not required to give me the transaction number over the phone. So there you go, I didn't pass the check and I have no possible way of knowing why.

But I'm out of line, and it's my fault somehow according to some on this board. Because these NICS back ground checks are a wonderfull thing that really does work to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, because no criminal, murderer, or bank robber would ever buy or steal a gun without going through these proper channels. And the sheriffs are a wonderfull bunch who would never lie and abuse their power.

These replys are sickining.

I have had a hard time believing the details you post here.

Now, I am going to flat-out say it. I don't believe you at all.

So I am going to ask you some very specific questions. The only chance you have of me believing you ever again is if you answer each one of them with a yes, a no, or an I don't know.

1. Is the dealer an FFL?

2. Did you fill out a 4473?

3. Did the dealer run a NICS check?

4. Did the dealer say that he got a "deny from the FBI"?

5. Have you specifically told the dealer that if he does not give you the NICS number that you will report him to the ATF?

6. Have you reported the dealer to the ATF for not giving you the NICS number?


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[joanie]

1. Is the dealer an FFL?

Yes, it would appear so.



2. Did you fill out a 4473?

I filled out something, not sure what it was, I'll call it a 7734 form


3. Did the dealer run a NICS check?

Yes, it would appear so.


4. Did the dealer say that he got a "deny from the FBI"?


I didn't pass the check, Seller refused to sell, fine it's his right, but he still lied over the phone.


5. Have you specifically told the dealer that if he does not give you the NICS number that you will report him to the ATF?


No, I asked nicely for it, said i need it to open an appeal.



6. Have you reported the dealer to the ATF for not giving you the NICS number?

As I said, I tried, but they would not take the report. According to who called me back, I'm supposed to go back there in person to get it.



Now, I am going to flat-out say it. I don't believe you at all.

Well then I'm wasting my time trying to explain it to you.

 

[WalkingWolf]

1. Is the dealer an FFL?

Yes, it would appear so.



2. Did you fill out a 4473?

I filled out something, not sure what it was, I'll call it a 7734 form


3. Did the dealer run a NICS check?

Yes, it would appear so.


4. Did the dealer say that he got a "deny from the FBI"?


I didn't pass the check, It was delayed, same thing.. Seller refused to sell, fine it's hisright, but he still lied over the phone.


5. Have you specifically told the dealer that if he does not give you the NICS number that you will report him to the ATF?


No, I asked nicely for it, said i need it to open an appeal.



6. Have you reported the dealer to the ATF for not giving you the NICS number?

As I said, I tried, but they would not take the report. According to who called me back, I'm supposed to go back there in person to get it.



Now, I am going to flat-out say it. I don't believe you at all.

Well then I'm wasting my time trying to explain it to you. And your not going to believe this. I know why I didn't pass the check. Just figured it out.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/56848094@N06/8672448939/

If they refuse to tell me why I didn't pass it, this is why, right here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQVTIJSPYbI

http://www.infowars.com/

Theres my answer. Or it's the one I'm giong with since they won't explain why.

Christ's sake! There is a big difference between delayed, and denied! I hate to say but you seem to be intentionally misrepresenting what actually happened. You have done yourself a huge disservice with this thread, I doubt anybody will take your word for anything after this. Did you throw a tantrum with the dealer when you were delayed? Did he trespass you after a outburst? If you are in person as you represent yourself in this thread, no you should not have firearms, IMO.

Or did you make all this up to get people to watch another boring Alex Jones video?

 

[joanie]

Christ's sake! There is a big difference between delayed, and denied! I hate to say but you seem to be intentionally misrepresenting what actually happened. You have done yourself a huge disservice with this thread, I doubt anybody will take your word for anything after this. Did you throw a tantrum with the dealer when you were delayed? Did he trespass you after a outburst? If you are in person as you represent yourself in this thread, no you should not have firearms, IMO.

Or did you make all this up to get people to watch another boring Alex Jones video?

Fine with me, you shouldn't have them also, and now I feel threatened. Locking my doors.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Fine with me, you shouldn't have them also, and now I feel threatened. Locking my doors.

Have you been in the vicinity where bats leave droppings? If sounding BSC was/is your intention you certainly have accomplished it.