So it turns out I'm a criminal with no rights.

[MKEgal]

I was charged with alot of things

As others have pointed out, charges mean nothing.
If there are warrants or protective orders hanging out there, that could be the problem.
Here's a page that seems to be official, appears to have links to courts in every county & city. http://www.ohiocourtlinks.org/
Search for yourself.

two times I was forced into a mental institution by Franklin county sheriffs under the premise that I am a danger to myself and others

Emergency evaluations / holds don't count. If you were involuntarily committed then you're prohibited from possessing/owning/using firearms or ammunition. There would be a court record of that committment.

if he wants to follow a bogus law

IOW, if he doesn't want to commit a federal felony, lose his business, & end up in prison...

he owes me 50 dollars for my gas used, and my Saturday back

Nope.

turn over the new discussion forum I started (OhioOpenCarry)

There's an Ohio forum here, well established.

When will you be doing the paperwork to challenge the denial? You did know there is a procedure you can follow (that word "follow" is very important - as in no, you cannot go outside the lines and try to do it "your way") to 1) find out specifically why you were denied, and 2) to challenge that if the informatio is not accurate?

I need to gather information, find out more about this background check

You can also go to the FBI NICS page to find out how to appeal

I googled [atf denial appeal form] and came up with this:
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/appeals/nics_appeals_brochure_eng
That gives you just about all the info you'll need to figure out what happened. (Might need to look in local/state court records too.)

Back when I questioned their reasons for holding me, I was threatened with futher inprisonment if I pushed the issue of being unjustly put in there

I begin to wonder...
No above-board health facility would do that. If you were threatened by an employee, you should bring it to the attention of the facility ombudsman, and perhaps the state's department which oversees hospitals & patient mistreatment.

They wouldn't even talk to me unless I went in through their buzz locked door into where they held me before

Don't do it in person, esp. if you don't have a witness &/or recorder.
Do everything in writing.

they went too far with beating and molesting me

Again, if this actually happened go to the district attorney, get a civil rights lawyer.

My wife has a friend who lost her firearm rights over agreeing to be evaluated

From what you've said, she has not lost her 2A rights from that incident.
Merely being evaluated, even if the agreement is coerced by armed home invaders, is not a prohibiting factor.
I was in the exact same boat - somebody lied about me, cops came to my home, I wouldn't let them in (agreed to talk to them at the door), they broke in, attacked me, searched the house, stole one of my guns, and hauled me away for an "evaluation". It took longer to do the paperwork & wait for a taxi than it did for the doc to figure out I'd been wrongfully arrested.

he lost everyone of them, because now he is restricted for filing a false police report, as well as his brother

Again, unless that's a felony (& they were convicted), they have not lost their rights nor their property.

Is he required to lie to me about selling me the firearm?, then spring up this check once I arrive?

I think you're the only person (other than the panty-twisting anti-gun people) who claims to be unaware that buying a gun from a dealer (FFL) requires that dealer to run a federal background check.

by now, or very soon, the Franklin county sheriffs will be notified that I'm tring to purchase a gun. They may suspect I already own guns. This will have them kicking in my door, locking me up and taking away my guns while destroying all my other stuff, or what they don't steal for themselves...
I may be better off to sell all my guns and have nothing to do with them anymore. That seems to be what my masters want of me. You know, those who own me

 

[paramedic70002]

Interesting. You seem to have been charged but not convicted of more criminal acts than most people. Perhaps you've "forgotten" something? Maybe start out by getting your official criminal history from your state police.

Frankly, from your own admitted list of past crimes, you probably shouldn't be allowed to own a gun. OTOH being denied a purchase is not the same as being denied the right to own.

 

[wrightme]

Well the guy is calling himself a dealer, he might be, but theres no shop. He just sells guns out of the garage of his home with a big dog and some other guy that hangs around to greet you. He runs ads on Armslist and tells people all they need is their driver's liscense.

SEEMS TO ME, HE COULD HAVE DID THIS CHECK OVER THE PHONE BEFORE MAKING ME DRIVE 200 MILES. Or at the very least mention that he will be running this check and only selling the firearm to those who pass it. Every other person dealer or not, i've ever bought a firearm from just took my DL info down, took the money and gave the the gun. So there goes my Saturday and over 50$s in gas spent. Thats my beef with the dealer. He flat out said bring the money and my DL and I'd be driving home with the gun.

Now for my beef with any and all who fudged up my records with lies to deny me my rights. These people have already beat and molested me, even raped me twice. held me prisoner in jail, taken money from me, caused me to miss work and cost me my job. Now they continue the abuse through these means. What this means is im not a free human, I'm their property and they can do with me what they wish. I'm their slave. If I ever did come up with enough money to fight them in court, they'd only find a way to take the money before I could use it for that.

That makes it sound as if the FFL dealers are breaking the law. Is that what you just described?

 

[wrightme]

I was charged with alot of things, going from memory.. Two counts of assualt and domestic violence, criminal trusspass, obstructing official bussiness.. There were things I was not charged with that showed up on incident reports, like, going into stores with my identy discuised in efforts to rob the customers, shoplifting and filming after being asked repeatedly not to, carrying a gun into a store and laundrymat, crawling under my car in a parking lot, and theres probibly more that don't come to mind at the moment, and theres probibly a few more things that has been added to my criminal record that I'm unaware of since the last time I checked it. Then there was the two times I was forced into a mental institution by Franklin county sheriffs under the premise that I am a danger to myself and others.

And if you want to believe what the police would say, then yes, they were right to deny me this right. If you opt to believe me over the police, then, should I even have any respect for this bogus law other than to stay invisible as much as I can and accept my place as lowlife scum. Far as the firearms dealer goew, he alone made the choice to not sell me the firearm. It's his right to do so if he wants to follow a bogus law, however he never mentioned this possibility to me over the phone, if he had I would NOT, have driven 200 miles. By my count, he owes me 50 dollars for my gas used, and my Saturday back. I know, I should just chill out, it was only a glitch in the system, BTW, I'm on alot of hate lists. I'll give myself a week to cool down before I start making calls, but I doubt the week will make a diffrence.

If this isn't a glitch in the system, if I can't do anything about it, then I will be out of place posting here in the future, and I really should turn over the new discussion forum I started (OhioOpenCarry) to someone else to run. Being close to open carry and gun related groups, well, lets just say that would make it impossible for me to chill out.

Just as a guess, given the list of 'encounters' you describe with law enforcement, you may be looking outward for the problem; as opposed to looking inward in the more appropriate direction.

 

[joanie]

Frankly, from your own admitted list of past crimes, you probably shouldn't be allowed to own a gun.

My what?, no, nevermind. I'm clearly at fault. Guns seem to be far more trouble than their worth. our nation being destroyed from within is cool. huh huh huh.

 

[FreeInAZ]

Joanie - others have made good suggesstions. Since your sherrif's department is in question here. I would contact the nearest office of the OHIO state police and see if they can help you in obtaining a copy of what (if anything is on your record). It could be as simple as the franklin county sheriff's have not cleared a warrant they were supposed to. Now I have to ask - why would anyone drive 200 miles to buy a gun from a FFL? Look for a FFL near you & have the firearm transfered to them, once you get this mess cleared up. Good luck & stay free & safe.

 

[palerider116]

That is a very ill joke. It is very below this forum's decorum and cannot be laughed at.

People are saying there is a lot of personal issues that you mentioned that are making it difficult to determine one issue as the source of your problems. Now we are seeing you hit Internet posting critical mass, and its alarming. These rants are alarm bells because they show a lack of reason on your part, i.e. wanting the gun dealer to sell you the gun despite the disapproval and thinking he owed you gas money when he failed to tell you he may not sell you the gun despite your pilgrimage.

I'm speculating, but maybe there is some issue that has you flagged and you drove so far in the attempts to outrun a red flag on your NICS check.

I ask no questions but you should reconsider what you are posting.

 

[HP995]

MKEgal: I was in the exact same boat - somebody lied about me, cops came to my home, I wouldn't let them in (agreed to talk to them at the door), they broke in, attacked me, searched the house, stole one of my guns, and hauled me away for an "evaluation". It took longer to do the paperwork & wait for a taxi than it did for the doc to figure out I'd been wrongfully arrested.

I find it alarming that so many people are being hauled off for mental evaluations. That's about the fourth time in a month I've read about these things happening. It looks like a trend. Could I ask what was their supposed reason?

joanie: I'm a happy slave, command me

Joanie, it looks like you've been through some terrible ordeals, and people are giving some helpful advice too. I would like to know what happened to you in the first place, what led to the abuses you mentioned and how they happened, and the false charges, but I still didn't get a clear picture. Something like "they abused me, guess I'm their slave and we should worship them" doesn't fill in the picture or connect the dots at all. Could you very briefly summarize the original chain of events that led to abuses and charges, differentiating who did what, clearly and without so much irony and commentary? Just so people can understand your situation. If you don't feel comfortable doing that it's okay, but otherwise it's really hard to understand how this got started. If you already explained before, sorry, just link to it.

(Or...wait and tell the facts to a lawyer instead of going into more detail here. That could be the best solution for you to get your life back. A lawyer might take the case on commission if it looks likely to win.)

 

[joanie]

I have made calls, several of them to NICS. They tell me something about an appeal. However theres supposed to be a transaction number that the dealer was supposed to give me and didn't According to them, he broke the law by not giving me this number.

Far as getting A lawyer to take my case on commission, he would have to believe me, over the sheriff's, and I don't even seem to have credibility here on an open carry discussion board. People have said it was my fault and I shouldn't be allowed to have guns. BTW, most people I encounter seem to think, or at least say, to my face, that I should be locked up for wanting to open carry. So to those people, we all should be locked up in a jail, or mental facility.

Back to me, I'm about ready to give up this fight. All my life it's been about what I was accused of, or what I'm up to, been that way for a long time. Easyer to say I belong in jail and shouldn't have freedom and rights, than to get at the truth. Lets not take the chance kinda thing. This is true of any single person in the world clean record or not. Lets not take a chance by allowing anyone to buy or own guns. Do it for the children, THE CHILDREN!

 

[HP995]

You've received some good advice here. As Eye emphasized, the bg check you can appeal. Ask the dealer for the #.

Any abuses done to you should be handled by a lawyer. Otherwise you are actually helping the perpetrators by not pursuing it. Perhaps there are organizations that could help legally. Guns or no guns, abuse is still abuse. Do you want them to win?

You are choosing not to explain how things happened, and to lump everything and everyone against you. You got quite a few people interested and concerned.

If those abuses happened, they disgust me and I definitely want to be part of the movement to stop such trends. I hope you reconsider and take some of the advice here, and clarify your situation more. But if you choose not to make things clear and reject any possible solutions, there's nothing anyone can do. You have to choose the path! I hope you do.

 

[palerider116]

Something does not ring right here.

 

[FreeInAZ]

Joanie - if you do plan on filing civil charges about the abuse you say happened you SHOULD NOT post anymore about that matter. This is one of the first things a lawyer will tell you in my experience. This may be your best bet to get the police you say are targeting you off your back as 1983 suits are heard in Federal court. Nothing keeps shady departments inline like having outsiders looking in. The FBI also takes color of law abuse complaints. It sounds like it couldn't hurt to try. At the very least it will keep the sheriff's from bothering you for awhile. Many people who are giving you advice here are sincere and some have experienced police abuse first hand. While most police are good men & women, all it takes for one evil doer in their ranks to make life a living hell for a honest citizen is their "code of silence".

 

[eye95]

I have made calls, several of them to NICS. They tell me something about an appeal...

So...here's a thought...APPEAL!

I am sure they referred you to the instructions on how to do so on their site. No lawyer is needed. It is a small pain in the ass, but quite doable.

Frankly, I have no sympathy for you if you won't take this simple next step to fix the problem (or to identify why you are a prohibited person).

Your incessant bellyaching without taking the one simple step that answers all of your questions is making me (and at least one other) wonder if there is some there there.

 

[HP995]

FreeInAZ: if you do plan on filing civil charges about the abuse you say happened you SHOULD NOT post anymore about that matter

That's true. Seriously consider contacting lawyers about the abuse. If one doesn't believe you, try another, or find an organization that helps with the type of abuse you experienced.

eye95: So...here's a thought...APPEAL!

Yes! Best case, appeal succeeds and you get to buy that gun. Worst case, you didn't get to buy it anyway but at least you tried. If you give away your guns without trying, best case is no gun.

eye95: Your incessant bellyaching without taking the one simple step that answers all of your questions is making me (and at least one other) wonder if there is some there there.

Now here's another thought, Eye...if someone has experienced traumatic abuse, they may not behave 100% rational, brave, and straightforward when dealing with things again. That's why it's called abuse; it's abnormal/wrong use and interferes with the way people function. When something is damaged, whether it's a household item or a human being, beating on it won't help. Caution is good but it must go both ways.

 

[palerider116]

I was charged with alot of things, going from memory.. Two counts of assualt and domestic violence, criminal trusspass, obstructing official bussiness.. There were things I was not charged with that showed up on incident reports, like, going into stores with my identy discuised in efforts to rob the customers, shoplifting and filming after being asked repeatedly not to, carrying a gun into a store and laundrymat, crawling under my car in a parking lot, and theres probibly more that don't come to mind at the moment, and theres probibly a few more things that has been added to my criminal record that I'm unaware of since the last time I checked it. Then there was the two times I was forced into a mental institution by Franklin county sheriffs under the premise that I am a danger to myself and others.

That is a lot of information and a whole lot of happening going on in this one paragraph. Some of those charges could flag your background check if they resulted in a conviction or plea deal. Your business is your business, but you offer up a lot of information without any disposition on the charges.

This leads me to think there is more than just a random run in with the law involved here. Not saying there wasn't an event or events that involved police misconduct or illegal activities, but you would have to be in a place of serious oppression or corruption for that much police contact. Secondly, domestic violence charges are a different breed of charges as compared to the moronic and illegal LEO hassling or arresting the armed LAC.

It's just too much to accept blindly that this is the system alone considering the litany of charges involved.

Far as the firearms dealer goew, he alone made the choice to not sell me the firearm. It's his right to do so if he wants to follow a bogus law, however he never mentioned this possibility to me over the phone, if he had I would NOT, have driven 200 miles. By my count, he owes me 50 dollars for my gas used, and my Saturday back. I know, I should just chill out, it was only a glitch in the system, BTW, I'm on alot of hate lists.

Once again, the alarm bells start sounding with this paragraph. Why would the dealer need to mention this possibility? I've had conversations with several dealers on the phone in the pursuit of specific firearms, but this caveat is never even a topic. It sounds like you were trying to create some distance between you and something in this purchase. I don't ask, "Is there a possibility you will not sell me the gun if my background check is flagged?"

The totality of your account screams something is missing or left out that would explain a great deal, especially with this kind of rant without accepting resolutions offered by many wise and knowledgeable people here.

 

[HP995]

palerider116: The totality of your account screams something is missing or left out

Yes! Good choice of word.

 

[wrightme]

That is a lot of information and a whole lot of happening going on in this one paragraph. Some of those charges could flag your background check if they resulted in a conviction or plea deal. Your business is your business, but you offer up a lot of information without any disposition on the charges.

This leads me to think there is more than just a random run in with the law involved here. Not saying there wasn't an event or events that involved police misconduct or illegal activities, but you would have to be in a place of serious oppression or corruption for that much police contact. Secondly, domestic violence charges are a different breed of charges as compared to the moronic and illegal LEO hassling or arresting the armed LAC.

It's just too much to accept blindly that this is the system alone considering the litany of charges involved.



Once again, the alarm bells start sounding with this paragraph. Why would the dealer need to mention this possibility? I've had conversations with several dealers on the phone in the pursuit of specific firearms, but this caveat is never even a topic. It sounds like you were trying to create some distance between you and something in this purchase. I don't ask, "Is there a possibility you will not sell me the gun if my background check is flagged?"

The totality of your account screams something is missing or left out that would explain a great deal, especially with this kind of rant without accepting resolutions offered by many wise and knowledgeable people here.

I am beginning to believe the reality is that she DOES get flagged, and has been seeking private party purchases to avoid a bg check. When she goes to a private party to do a ftf purchase, and they meet her, they come up with ANY excuse to not sell to her; as their alarm bells are ringing nonstop.......

 

[marshaul]

I have made calls, several of them to NICS. They tell me something about an appeal. However theres supposed to be a transaction number that the dealer was supposed to give me and didn't According to them, he broke the law by not giving me this number.

Far as getting A lawyer to take my case on commission, he would have to believe me, over the sheriff's, and I don't even seem to have credibility here on an open carry discussion board. People have said it was my fault and I shouldn't be allowed to have guns. BTW, most people I encounter seem to think, or at least say, to my face, that I should be locked up for wanting to open carry. So to those people, we all should be locked up in a jail, or mental facility.

Back to me, I'm about ready to give up this fight. All my life it's been about what I was accused of, or what I'm up to. This "criminal complex" has been with me a long time. The more I try to project a good immage of myself, the worse people think of me. My mom is dying from cancer, and all I can think about is that I may be charged for her murder when she goes. My sister, her kids, and my aunt would support this claim knowing it isn't true just to see me in jail.

I'm just fed up with it to the point that right now, I want nothing to do with guns at all. That includes selling them, so I might just have my cousin collect and sell them for me. I'll still be considered low life criminal scum, but at least the world will be safer in the minds of those who see me as a threat.

I know a few people who see their entire world and everyone in it as part of a conspiracy against them. Even when they may have suffered very real abuses, this belief is never correct, and is usually a sign of deeper problems.

Perhaps it's time to stop railing against everyone and everything, and to start taking advice and/or seeking help.

 

[skidmark]

I have made calls, several of them to NICS. They tell me something about an appeal. However theres supposed to be a transaction number that the dealer was supposed to give me and didn't According to them, he broke the law by not giving me this number.

Have you actually bothered to contact him (apparently you have a phone number for him) to request that he give you the transaction number?

....

This "criminal complex" has been with me a long time. The more I try to project a good immage of myself, the worse people think of me. My mom is dying from cancer, and all I can think about is that I may be charged for her murder when she goes. My sister, her kids, and my aunt would support this claim knowing it isn't true just to see me in jail.

That word seems to be a very good one for you to have used. Since I am now retired, have let my license lapse, and have no interest in travelling to Ohio to testify in court about how and why I arrioved at it, I am not going to make an internet diagnosis. But if I were still working, had a current license, and figured out how to get paid to travel to Ohio for the purpose of testifying in court about how and why I arrived at it, I would say you have some significant problems, some of which might be helped by careful adjustment of medication doses and others that might be better addressed by behavioral counseling.

I'm just fed up with it to the point that right now, I want nothing to do with guns at all. That includes selling them, so I might just have my cousin collect and sell them for me. I'll still be considered low life criminal scum, but at least the world will be safer in the minds of those who see me as a threat.

Joseph K. http://www.kafka-online.info/the-trial.html was the protagonist in a work of fiction. Or perhaps you see yourself more as Estragon, waiting for someone to come and explain to you why these things happen to ypu? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_Godot

I am going to have to figure out how to send money to you - it would only be proper to pay for the entertainment you provide by informing us of the events occurring in the on-going tragic comedy that seems to be your life. Would you mind if I referred your various posts (in this and other threads) to some acquaintences who are lecturing in various behavioral sciences? They are always looking for fresh case samples to give their students. (I'm sure they would work out some sort of fee arrangement with you.)

Please notice that I do not use my standard closing. In your case I do not think it would be possible for you to do so.

 

[palerider116]

Skidmark's usually closing is a time honored tradition here at OCDO. Its absence is alarming. Readers, ye be warned.