palerider116
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It has been speculated by others and I concur, maybe the OP is an undercover agent provocateur with some other agenda.
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So it turns out I'm a criminal with no rights.
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wrightme
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It has occurred to me the possibility of attempting to get information on how to get around the law.
marshaul
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Why are you so defensive? You've approached this as an excuse to complain since the very first post, and folks are irritated and your inability to be precise (all of a sudden the denial was a delay, big difference). I don't blame them.
Can you please end this emotional outburst and either A: stop posting in this thread or B: stick to precise facts with none of the paranoid commentary?
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
A couple of members have met her, plus her woes with the police have been documented by a member. Maybe she has just been using too much tinfoil and has aluminum toxicity in her blood.
marshaul
Campaign Veteran
I suspect it's too much tinfoil for too long. A conspiracy under every rug.
Joanie -
You may not present a current threat of physical harm to others You do seem to present a current and ongoing threat to yourself - not from physical harm such as intentionally disfiguring yourself or committing suicide, but from both ******* off and alienating yourself from those who might otherwise be inclined to help you even though you are significantly messed up emotionally.
I very much doubt that John or Mike would agree to ban you, but the word will surely go out that you are one seriously F'ed up person with a record of being less than truthful. Getting anybody to take you seriously any more would be a major miracle. Getting anybody to empathize with your situation, let anlone sympathize with you, will be all but impossible. I'm not going to put you on "ignore" - but that's because I admit to a warped sense of humor and find crazies like you to be entertaining.
For your sake I hope you have sufficient money so you can use an assumerd name and privately pay for some serious mental health help. Between meds and "talk therapy" you might be able to get close enough to reality to see it from your back yard.
[soup nazi voice] Still no closing for you! [/soup nazi voice]
You may not present a current threat of physical harm to others You do seem to present a current and ongoing threat to yourself - not from physical harm such as intentionally disfiguring yourself or committing suicide, but from both ******* off and alienating yourself from those who might otherwise be inclined to help you even though you are significantly messed up emotionally.
I very much doubt that John or Mike would agree to ban you, but the word will surely go out that you are one seriously F'ed up person with a record of being less than truthful. Getting anybody to take you seriously any more would be a major miracle. Getting anybody to empathize with your situation, let anlone sympathize with you, will be all but impossible. I'm not going to put you on "ignore" - but that's because I admit to a warped sense of humor and find crazies like you to be entertaining.
For your sake I hope you have sufficient money so you can use an assumerd name and privately pay for some serious mental health help. Between meds and "talk therapy" you might be able to get close enough to reality to see it from your back yard.
[soup nazi voice] Still no closing for you! [/soup nazi voice]
palerider116
Regular Member
I urge brain safe tinfoil research.
WalkingWolf
Regular Member
I heard a claim about 30 or 40 years ago that aluminum was higher in the brain of those who died from alzheimer's. Maybe there is some truth to the claim.
palerider116
Regular Member
I read it was from the fluoride in water that attracts metal like aluminum to affect the brain and cause Alzheimer's.
eye95
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You said earlier that you called the FBI. Did you call the ATF? The FFL is answerable to the ATF, not the FBI. The ATF will care very much if you are denied (or delayed) and are not given the NICS number. We FFLs are required to give you that number if you are delayed or denied and request it.
Now, it seems that you may have been delayed, not denied. There is a world of difference between the two. If the delay has not become a deny after three full business days in Ohio have passed, the FFL can still transfer the firearm to you without a proceed.
You can still appeal a delay, but why would you. Just wait the freakin' five to seven days, and if you don't get a deny, buy the damned gun.
So, at this point, demand the NICS number from the dealer. Call the ATF, not the FBI, if he won't give it to you, and report him. At the end of the waiting period, try again to purchase the firearm. Even if the dealer does not have a proceed, he can transfer the firearm.
All of the above assumes a delay. If you have a deny, the advice is the same except instead of going through the waiting period, go straight to appeal.
BTW, delays are no big deal. They happen all the time. I have been delayed. It pissed me off, but it happens. One of my associates behind the counter was delayed one time, and he is a retired cop who sells guns for a living. He and I have had dozens of background checks in our lives, yet we have been delayed.
A delay simply means that the computer system cannot get the answers it needs immediately and that possibly a person needs to check out what the deal is. That takes time. It is a stupid law, but it is the law, it is a pain in the ass, but it can be dealt with.
Approach this rationally, and I can use my experience selling guns and following the procedures to help you. Go all wackadoodle, and I'll just move on. At the moment, my inclination is to move on. Change my mind. Please.
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eye95
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I have met Joanie. I believe from the bottom of my heart that this is not so.
While I don't think she is handling this situation well, to make such an assertion about her is despicable. I hope you retract this comment and apologize.
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Until the OP has accomplished perfecting an appeal, the is nothing here but her unsubstantiated claims and a convoluted story embellished with off-topic, generalized rants against the government and the "system" - don't see that she has done anything constructive, particularly nothing by the book.
Please note that I am not calling her a prevaricator - but she has been less than forthcoming with needed details. Either way, truth or fiction, the information has been less than succinctly offered.
Only works if he was a private seller, but you had already stated you believed him to be a dealer/FFL.
All FFLs are required to run the check. It isn't his responsibility to educate you on the law. It is your responsibility to know what is required......before you get to that point.
Quit calling - there is no record of what was said. Write them, file a complaint, get a written reply. Until you do something concrete there will be no forward progress and no resolution. If that is too much trouble, then you will leave us with three possible conclusions: 1) You really don't prize your rights very highly; 2) You know what the problem is with your background and do not wish to disclose it; or 3) There are at least some gaps or less than candid parts to your story.
Be advised that all future off-topic rants will be edited/deleted from the OP's posts on this thread. There is no wish to muzzle the OP, but such just obfuscates and avoids providing the needed information. Such is more suitable to the Social Lounge, if in fact it would be allowed to stay there.
eye95
Well-known member
I am willing to help the OP navigate the muddy waters. She should PM me.
I sell guns for an FFL for a living. I know whereof I speak. She should quit ranting and solve the problem. If she will knock off the crap, I will move heaven and earth to help--confidentially.
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I sell guns for an FFL for a living. I know whereof I speak. She should quit ranting and solve the problem. If she will knock off the crap, I will move heaven and earth to help--confidentially.
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marshaul
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palerider116
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You have the luxury of that personal knowledge. I do not know of her beyond these postings. These postings paint a picture of deceit by admission and omission, outlandish hyperbole and self-victimization, and constant paranoia.
You call it despicable. That is your right. However, the alternative to an agent provocateur is far more alarming: someone genuinely unhinged and deliberately misleading. There is nothing here that indicates an improper handling on her part for a genuine wronging.
This thread is a trip down the rabbit hole.
No retraction and apology is offered. We stand apart on this issue.
DryBones
Regular Member
She mentioned a classified ad suggesting a private sale but also states the seller only wanted a DL and the sale price with tax. Sales tax on a private sale? This suggests to me that he is indeed a dealer if he needs to collect sales tax. As a dealer he will also have to do the 4473 and NICS check. So which is it.. Dealer or private seller?
Reread the OP, post #1, wherein she states he was a dealer - she confirms that with a later post.
Best information is that he is a dealer, though unnamed and his location not given.
No confirmable, verifiable facts given anywhere in her posts that I can find - none, nada, zip.
MarksmanCentral
Regular Member
I have got to say that this thread makes me more than a bit nervous. I think it would be in the best interest of all involved for a moderator to delete this. The OPs concerns have been answered several times and she has been given all the information she needs to proceed. I would hate to see this thread used against her or others. At this point we are judging this lady (which I'm fairly sure none of us are qualified to do over the net). To joanie, I truly hope you resolve this issue and get back to happy life. It is often hard to convey emotion via text and as such the true meaning of the post can be misinterpreted. I doubt anyone here wishes you harm in any way. Take the advice given and use what you will. I wish you the best.
Deleting the thread would be inappropriate - neither the OP nor her legal representative has so indicated that such action should be considered.
This thread is being locked, but purely because it has become such a horrible train wreck and any merit has been lost and buried beneath the rubble.
The OP or her offered voluntary helper (Eye95 ?) could to start a new thread with facts, details on progress or simply wait until the issue is brought to some final disposition before posting further, which is what I would recommend at this juncture.
Thank you everybody for your attempts to help here - at least it was a good training exercise.
Best wishes Joanie, wherever you are.
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