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mrbiggles wrote:
i agree with you and i never said anything about having NO LEOs. why do people jump to these conclusions?

i want constitutional law enforcement... thats it.
My bad. It seemed the logical assertion in light of your expresseddisdain toward Hawkflyerand his chosen profession. I'll try to contain my leaps of logic.
 

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i'm not a member of any group. and i've only vaguely heard of those two you posted but i've never researched them.

you personally attacked me, calling me stupid... because i don't agree with you... saying i should be afraid of black helicopters... typical of wannabe king LEOs like yourself. as if anyone thought you would do anything but defend your huge amounts of authority. yeah we really expected different...

i think you're the one who is out of ideas. calling me stupid, saying i didn't graduate highschool... etc... you still haven't answered what job you do that so important.

if you really must know i'm a engineer and i make probably 3x your salary. and the money i make is paid to me freely and not at the barrel of a gun, people actually want my services. they aren't forced into it. the reason i hate LE and LEOs is because i'm SICK of being harassed, and sick of all the bull@#$% laws on the books, i'm sick of our government, and i'm sick of @#$%s like you who work for the government.

what area of law enforcement do you work in?



I never said you were stupid. You concluded that on your own, but I will not argue with you.

I did not attack you, you attacked me. I think your opening comment was "big Government Liberal" or something to that effect. Then you quickly spiraled down into lots of name calling and insults, which still continue.

I did not return the insults, and start calling you immoral, a shill, or accuse you of having no honor, but you did those things to me. I am certain however that you must have meant "amoral" not "immoral". Remember it is only the chosen like yourself that have morals and therefore fall on one end of the scale or the other, either moral or immoral. The "liberals" have no religion and so they are amoral, which is what I am sure you meant.

TO be fair I did say that you might have a reading and comprehension problem, more than once, and based on your comments above I see that you still have it. I did not say you did not graduate high school,I never mentioned high school. I ASKED if you graduated grade school, and if so how old you were when you did. (See there is that reading and comprehension thing again.)

I am glad that with your obvious impediment you were able to find work. Why you think a man is measured by his paycheck I can only guess, but if I left the government to ply my trade, I would be making in the mid six figure range. Of course my pay is reduced by being artificially capped by the government. But I do not use pay as a Yard stick so I don't know how that measures up on YOUR man-o-meter, but I really don't care either.


As to engineers , before a building is constructed ENGINEERING drawings are REQUIRED by local GOVERNMENT, BEFORE you will get your GOVERNMENT PERMIT TO BUILD. You cannot patent an item without engineering drawings, it is a GOVERNMENT REQUIREMENT. You cannot build things like cars and airplanes without engineering drawings to submit to the GOVERNMENT so you can get you GOVERNMENT certifications to use the airplane or car. So in fact people use YOUR services because they have the government on their backs REQUIRING it. So get off you high horse.

Lets see... Area of LE.... That would be Forensics. Like I said I don't do seat belts. NO ONE is REQUIRED to use my services, they come begging for my help.I work real crimes with real victims, so in fact you do not have a clue what you are talking about. With your obvious reading and comprehension problems you could not possibly do what I do yourself, so just zip your fly and sit back down. I do not do what I do for the money alone, unlike you I do it to help others by solving crime and removing criminals from the streets.

I really hate to do this on this forum, because this place should be about equals discussing issues, and I do not want to be set aside in this way. I apologize in advance to the other forum members here whom I have come to respect and value intellectually. But since you claim you can do my job, here is MY man-o-meter for you -

6 murderers on death row, 9 air crashes solved, over 26 dirty cops in jail or removed from service, 35 armed robbers in prison, multiple child sex offenders, a few rapistsand the list goes on.

To be fair,in my youth I worked in game enforcement andI did arrest a number of deer poachers, over limit fishermen, people using illegal methodsand other game violates, but that is as close to seat belts as I ever got. Sorry to disappoint you, but that is state LE and does not qualify as "BIG GOVERNMENT", and I don't do that any more.

Now I suppose you will argue that I violated the child rapists Constitutional right to the "happiness" of his sexual preference. Well argue all you want, I would do every case the same way all over again. Oh yea... that's right...you were going to do my job yourself weren't you. How is that working out? How many violent criminals have you taken off the street this month? This year? Ever?


Again I apologize to the form and the owner of the thread. I am done with this turkey.
 

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marshaul wrote:
Hawklyer and mr. biggles, I know you two secretly want kissy time. So why don't you get on with that while we get this thread back on topic? :p
Wasn't the original topic about what to do about ugly cats? Anyone ever read 101 uses for a dead cat?;)
 

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i'm a software engineer. i don't need any permits or government approval.

you are a shill. and of course you would defend LE... because its how you make your money... of course you would defend your authority.

i don't need you, i don't respect you, i think you're an immoral person, and i think you and your profession and your government are more of an enemy to freedom than the rest of the world combined.

its far more likely that our government will hurt us than any other entity in the world. you and people in your "profession" will be leading that charge.

this is my opinion, and the opinion of a lot of other people. including our founding fathers. i can just as easily call your opinion crazy, wacko, etc...

here is the first personal insult. unless you calling someone a "liberal" a personal attack.

Hawkflyer wrote:
Ok. I am now certain we are not dealing with simple ignorance. This is actually a learning disability, and I don't have time to work with him any more.
 

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Biggles, I understand where you are coming from, but you say you want constitutional enforcement rather than no enforcement.

Well, I don't believe Hawkflyer is any different. We'll need libertarian LEOs as well if we ever want to make change. In fact, if we ever get change we'll need libertarian LEOs to preserve it.

Hawkflyer might even be part of the solution, and I really don't think it's fair to portray him as part of the problem.
 

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marshaul wrote:
Biggles, I understand where you are coming from, but you say you want constitutional enforcement rather than no enforcement.

Well, I don't believe Hawkflyer is any different. We'll need libertarian LEOs as well if we ever want to make change. In fact, if we ever get change we'll need libertarian LEOs to preserve it.

Hawkflyer might even be part of the solution, and I really don't think it's fair to portray him as part of the problem.
i think you may be right.

i don't believe hawk is a libertarian or even close. he is defending things no libertarian could ever defend.

he says he doesn't work in any area that defies the constitution. but i suspect the methods of gaining evidence he receives crosses the constitution at one time or another in most of the cases. and he keeps making excuses saying everything this LEO did is "legal" so its ok for him to do it... no libertarian would say that.

he is saying don't kill the messenger, but without the messenger the govt behind it would be impotent. without LEOs enforcing these insane laws they would be irrelevant.

"here is your seat belt ticket, but i don't agree with them. good luck with your insurance and budget this month"

nah i don't think so. anyone with any moral conviction at all would refuse to enforce unconstitutional laws, similar to how a solider would refuse to obey an unlawful order.

just following orders isn't an excuse we accepted from nazi soldiers. why is it an excuse we routinely accept from LEOs who hurt us everyday.
 

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marshaul wrote:
Biggles, I understand where you are coming from, but you say you want constitutional enforcement rather than no enforcement.

Well, I don't believe Hawkflyer is any different. We'll need libertarian LEOs as well if we ever want to make change. In fact, if we ever get change we'll need libertarian LEOs to preserve it.

Hawkflyer might even be part of the solution, and I really don't think it's fair to portray him as part of the problem.


Thank you Marshaul and others for the kind words.

But deaf is deaf and in this case no amount of reason can be applied, as this person will always postulate some unsupported new accusation of wrong doing to support his preconceived notions.

He is incapable of admitting it when he is wrong, and equally incapable of getting past whatever incident he may have had witha LEO in the past.Hehas a closed mind as evidenced by his accusation that I gather evidence illegally. Since he has no idea what is involved in my work, that is a gratuitous assumption, and I dismiss it as the statement of an ignorant man. I could forgive the stupidity he lays claim to, but there is no excuse for ignorance. As a software engineer he has never build anything of lasting value, and has no idea what it means to try to work for the public good.

He is incapable of reasoned discourse because he cannot understand what he reads when he reads it. Since he neither reads nor comprehends what is set before him, I have no need to talk to, or about him any further.


Thanks
 

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Hawkflyer wrote:
marshaul wrote:
Biggles, I understand where you are coming from, but you say you want constitutional enforcement rather than no enforcement.

Well, I don't believe Hawkflyer is any different. We'll need libertarian LEOs as well if we ever want to make change. In fact, if we ever get change we'll need libertarian LEOs to preserve it.

Hawkflyer might even be part of the solution, and I really don't think it's fair to portray him as part of the problem.


Thank you Marshaul and others for the kind words.

But deaf is deaf and in this case no amount of reason can be applied, as this person will always postulate some unsupported new accusation of wrong doing to support his preconceived notions.

He is incapable of admitting it when he is wrong, and equally incapable of getting past whatever incident he may have had witha LEO in the past.Hehas a closed mind as evidenced by his accusation that I gather evidence illegally. Since he has no idea what is involved in my work, that is a gratuitous assumption, and I dismiss it as the statement of an ignorant man. I could forgive the stupidity he lays claim to, but there is no excuse for ignorance. As a software engineer he has never build anything of lasting value, and has no idea what it means to try to work for the public good.

He is incapable of reasoned discourse because he cannot understand what he reads when he reads it. Since he neither reads nor comprehends what is set before him, I have no need to talk to, or about him any further.


Thanks
public good? thanks a lot for stealing my money and using it against me for "public good" thanks LE.

i don't need you, i don't want you, i don't respect you.

thats my opinion.

you are calling me ignorant because i don't agree with your enormous amounts of authority and power over me... and i don't agree that you're doing such a noble and great thing... as if you would say anything else.

you're a scourge on society as much as any criminal.

if there only was a study on the financial drain on the american people due to the unconstitutional laws you now defend, and enforced at one time.
 

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mrbiggles wrote:
Hawkflyer wrote:
marshaul wrote:
Biggles, I understand where you are coming from, but you say you want constitutional enforcement rather than no enforcement.

Well, I don't believe Hawkflyer is any different. We'll need libertarian LEOs as well if we ever want to make change. In fact, if we ever get change we'll need libertarian LEOs to preserve it.

Hawkflyer might even be part of the solution, and I really don't think it's fair to portray him as part of the problem.


Thank you Marshaul and others for the kind words.

But deaf is deaf and in this case no amount of reason can be applied, as this person will always postulate some unsupported new accusation of wrong doing to support his preconceived notions.

He is incapable of admitting it when he is wrong, and equally incapable of getting past whatever incident he may have had witha LEO in the past.Hehas a closed mind as evidenced by his accusation that I gather evidence illegally. Since he has no idea what is involved in my work, that is a gratuitous assumption, and I dismiss it as the statement of an ignorant man. I could forgive the stupidity he lays claim to, but there is no excuse for ignorance. As a software engineer he has never build anything of lasting value, and has no idea what it means to try to work for the public good.

He is incapable of reasoned discourse because he cannot understand what he reads when he reads it. Since he neither reads nor comprehends what is set before him, I have no need to talk to, or about him any further.


Thanks
public good? thanks a lot for stealing my money and using it against me for "public good" thanks LE.

i don't need you, i don't want you, i don't respect you.

thats my opinion.

you are calling me ignorant because i don't agree with your enormous amounts of authority and power over me... and i don't agree that you're doing such a noble and great thing... as if you would say anything else.

you're a scourge on society as much as any criminal.

if there only was a study on the financial drain on the american people due to the unconstitutional laws you now defend, and enforced at one time.
Here's my opinion JOHNNYB, you're gonna get kicked again very soon! I bet the moderators don't know you're back for the fourth or fifth time. But they will. I promise JOHNNYB!
 

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mrbiggles wrote:
Hawkflyer wrote:
marshaul wrote:
Biggles, I understand where you are coming from, but you say you want constitutional enforcement rather than no enforcement.

Well, I don't believe Hawkflyer is any different. We'll need libertarian LEOs as well if we ever want to make change. In fact, if we ever get change we'll need libertarian LEOs to preserve it.

Hawkflyer might even be part of the solution, and I really don't think it's fair to portray him as part of the problem.


Thank you Marshaul and others for the kind words.

But deaf is deaf and in this case no amount of reason can be applied, as this person will always postulate some unsupported new accusation of wrong doing to support his preconceived notions.

He is incapable of admitting it when he is wrong, and equally incapable of getting past whatever incident he may have had witha LEO in the past.Hehas a closed mind as evidenced by his accusation that I gather evidence illegally. Since he has no idea what is involved in my work, that is a gratuitous assumption, and I dismiss it as the statement of an ignorant man. I could forgive the stupidity he lays claim to, but there is no excuse for ignorance. As a software engineer he has never build anything of lasting value, and has no idea what it means to try to work for the public good.

He is incapable of reasoned discourse because he cannot understand what he reads when he reads it. Since he neither reads nor comprehends what is set before him, I have no need to talk to, or about him any further.


Thanks
public good? thanks a lot for stealing my money and using it against me for "public good" thanks LE.

i don't need you, i don't want you, i don't respect you.

thats my opinion.

you are calling me ignorant because i don't agree with your enormous amounts of authority and power over me... and i don't agree that you're doing such a noble and great thing... as if you would say anything else.

you're a scourge on society as much as any criminal.

if there only was a study on the financial drain on the american people due to the unconstitutional laws you now defend, and enforced at one time.
QFT
 

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Citizen wrote:
mrbiggles wrote:
Hawkflyer wrote:
marshaul wrote:
Biggles, I understand where you are coming from, but you say you want constitutional enforcement rather than no enforcement.

Well, I don't believe Hawkflyer is any different. We'll need libertarian LEOs as well if we ever want to make change. In fact, if we ever get change we'll need libertarian LEOs to preserve it.

Hawkflyer might even be part of the solution, and I really don't think it's fair to portray him as part of the problem.


Thank you Marshaul and others for the kind words.

But deaf is deaf and in this case no amount of reason can be applied, as this person will always postulate some unsupported new accusation of wrong doing to support his preconceived notions.

He is incapable of admitting it when he is wrong, and equally incapable of getting past whatever incident he may have had witha LEO in the past.Hehas a closed mind as evidenced by his accusation that I gather evidence illegally. Since he has no idea what is involved in my work, that is a gratuitous assumption, and I dismiss it as the statement of an ignorant man. I could forgive the stupidity he lays claim to, but there is no excuse for ignorance. As a software engineer he has never build anything of lasting value, and has no idea what it means to try to work for the public good.

He is incapable of reasoned discourse because he cannot understand what he reads when he reads it. Since he neither reads nor comprehends what is set before him, I have no need to talk to, or about him any further.


Thanks
public good? thanks a lot for stealing my money and using it against me for "public good" thanks LE.

i don't need you, i don't want you, i don't respect you.

thats my opinion.

you are calling me ignorant because i don't agree with your enormous amounts of authority and power over me... and i don't agree that you're doing such a noble and great thing... as if you would say anything else.

you're a scourge on society as much as any criminal.

if there only was a study on the financial drain on the american people due to the unconstitutional laws you now defend, and enforced at one time.
QFT
are you using qft as "quoted for truth" or something else?
 

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Citizen wrote:
ODA 226 wrote:
SNIP Here's my opinion JOHNNYB,
I think you're right on this one, ODA.
This Mr. Bigglesis definately JohnnyB, Johnny Bliss orone of themany other BS names he's had. I thinkJPierce and Mike Sshould knowthat this guy is back again. What do you think Citizen?
 

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ODA 226 wrote:
Citizen wrote:
ODA 226 wrote:
SNIP Here's my opinion JOHNNYB,
I think you're right on this one, ODA.
This Mr. Bigglesis definately JohnnyB, Johnny Bliss orone of themany other BS names he's had. I thinkJPierce and Mike Sshould knowthat this guy is back again. What do you think Citizen?
I sent the PMs before I posted about thinking you were right.
 
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