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Whatcom County OC

Zippoz

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Missed ya



Good turnout, abut fifteen or so folks. Found out we were in a "gun free zone". SVG found it on the stations website. One woman got a tad miffed with Boomboy for being Armed. He informed her of State pre-emption and we ignored her. Public place.

Yeah. I see where the Port of Bellingham "Public Use Space Policies and Procedures" states:

Firearms and Fireworks
The possession of firearms in or upon any Port public space is prohibited, except those in the possession of
authorized law enforcement personnel.
 

MSG Laigaie

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Yeah. I see where the Port of Bellingham "Public Use Space Policies and Procedures" states:

Firearms and Fireworks
The possession of firearms in or upon any Port public space is prohibited, except those in the possession of
authorized law enforcement personnel.

Well, well. "Prohibited"??? By who?? Public space, public people, public firearms. State pre works for me.
When confronted by people who are attempting to avoid State pre, I ask one thing.......Do you follow State Law?? If you do, we are golden. If not, Why not? I do, I will, follow State Law.

This is why we are referred to as the "Shock Troops" of the Open Carry way of life. We are not a "movement". We, as a group, have gone beyond "movement" to "Way of Life". You have heard me say this before.....Citizenship is a Verb, get involved.
 

Zippoz

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Well, well. "Prohibited"??? By who?? Public space, public people, public firearms. State pre works for me.
When confronted by people who are attempting to avoid State pre, I ask one thing.......Do you follow State Law?? If you do, we are golden. If not, Why not? I do, I will, follow State Law.

This is why we are referred to as the "Shock Troops" of the Open Carry way of life. We are not a "movement". We, as a group, have gone beyond "movement" to "Way of Life". You have heard me say this before.....Citizenship is a Verb, get involved.

I've sent a form to the Port of Bellingham though I can't imagine it will have much affect:

Folks,

The published Port of Bellingham "Public Use Policies and Procedures" is in conflict with State Law and needs to be amended to follow State Law. To wit, the portion of the "Public Use Policies and Procedures" that states:

"Firearms and Fireworks
The possession of firearms in or upon any Port public space is prohibited, except those in the possession of
authorized law enforcement personnel."

Washington State Law states:
RCWs > Title 9 > Chapter 9.41 > Section 9.41.290

9.41.280 << 9.41.290 >> 9.41.300
RCW 9.41.290

State preemption.
The state of Washington hereby fully occupies and preempts the entire field of firearms regulation within the boundaries of the state, including the registration, licensing, possession, purchase, sale, acquisition, transfer, discharge, and transportation of firearms, or any other element relating to firearms or parts thereof, including ammunition and reloader components. Cities, towns, and counties or other municipalities may enact only those laws and ordinances relating to firearms that are specifically authorized by state law, as in RCW 9.41.300, and are consistent with this chapter. Such local ordinances shall have the same penalty as provided for by state law. Local laws and ordinances that are inconsistent with, more restrictive than, or exceed the requirements of state law shall not be enacted and are preempted and repealed, regardless of the nature of the code, charter, or home rule status of such city, town, county, or municipality.

[ 1994 sp.s. c 7 § 428; 1985 c 428 § 1; 1983 c 232 § 12.]
NOTES:
Finding—Intent—Severability—1994 sp.s. c 7: See notes following RCW 43.70.540.
Effective date—1994 sp.s. c 7 §§ 401-410, 413-416, 418-437, and 439-460: See note following RCW 9.41.010.
Severability—1985 c 428: "If any provision of this act or its application to any person or circumstance is held invalid, the remainder of the act or the application of the provision to other persons or circumstances is not affected." [ 1985 c 428 § 6.]
Application—1983 c 232 § 12: "Section 12 of this act shall not apply to any offense committed prior to July 24, 1983." [ 1983 c 232 § 13.]
Severability—1983 c 232: See note following RCW 9.41.010.

Please let me know when you intend to modify the Port of Bellingham "Public Use Policies and Procedures" to conform with State Law.

Thank you,
 

Zippoz

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I am not objecting to your actions in any way. I am just trying to understand your intentions. Is the Port of Bellingham a part of "Cities, towns, and counties or other municipalities" as written in the statute or are they an agency of the state or federal government? If they are not a "Cities, towns, and counties or other municipalities", would they even be covered by Washington's preemption statute?

That's a good question. I don't have an answer. My intentions are to see what the Port of Bellingham has to say on the matter, if anything.
 

Whitney

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9.41.300

That's a good question. I don't have an answer. My intentions are to see what the Port of Bellingham has to say on the matter, if anything.

9.41.300
Weapons prohibited in certain places—Local laws and ordinances—Exceptions—Penalty.

(2) Cities, towns, counties, and other municipalities may enact laws and ordinances:
(a) Restricting the discharge of firearms in any portion of their respective jurisdictions where there is a reasonable likelihood that humans, domestic animals, or property will be jeopardized. Such laws and ordinances shall not abridge the right of the individual guaranteed by Article I, section 24 of the state Constitution to bear arms in defense of self or others; and
(b) Restricting the possession of firearms in any stadium or convention center, operated by a city, town, county, or other municipality, except that such restrictions shall not apply to:
(i) Any pistol in the possession of a person licensed under RCW 9.41.070 or exempt from the licensing requirement by RCW 9.41.060; or
(ii) Any showing, demonstration, or lecture involving the exhibition of firearms.
(3)(a) Cities, towns, and counties may enact ordinances restricting the areas in their respective jurisdictions in which firearms may be sold, but, except as provided in (b) of this subsection, a business selling firearms may not be treated more restrictively than other businesses located within the same zone. An ordinance requiring the cessation of business within a zone shall not have a shorter grandfather period for businesses selling firearms than for any other businesses within the zone.
(b) Cities, towns, and counties may restrict the location of a business selling firearms to not less than five hundred feet from primary or secondary school grounds, if the business has a storefront, has hours during which it is open for business, and posts advertisements or signs observable to passersby that firearms are available for sale. A business selling firearms that exists as of the date a restriction is enacted under this subsection (3)(b) shall be grandfathered according to existing law.
(4) Violations of local ordinances adopted under subsection (2) of this section must have the same penalty as provided for by state law.


The question now becomes what is the penalty for the Port of Bellingham?


~Whitney

 

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What is a Port District ?

No, my question is still the same. Is the Port of Bellingham a "Cities, towns, counties, and other municipalities" as required by the state law or is it a state or federal agency? What difference does it make what penalty might be applied, until you know if they are covered by the statute none will be applied? Horse first, cart second.



I am having a difficult time with the web site when I "preview post". I am getting a 403 forbidden error and none of my post is recovered. I will type up a .PDF file and see if I can attach it.

Long and short of it is yes the port of Bellingham is a local government established by the voters of the county. I will get my citations in order and up load the file.

~Whitney
 

John Pierce

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I am having a difficult time with the web site when I "preview post". I am getting a 403 forbidden error and none of my post is recovered. I will type up a .PDF file and see if I can attach it.

Long and short of it is yes the port of Bellingham is a local government established by the voters of the county. I will get my citations in order and up load the file.

~Whitney

Are you still experiencing this issue? If so, can you post or email me a screen shot? Thanks!
 

MSG Laigaie

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Well. See how far a thread goes when you take a day off.

This......From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Port of Bellingham is a government agency in Bellingham, Whatcom County, Washington, United States which operates two large marinas, port facilities and the Bellingham International Airport.

We can fix this with a simple, non-aggressive email. It is not a big deal, no one was denied access or had Rights trampled upon. We, here in Washington State, are good. The young lady was following an assumed Port position. A simple reminder to the Port Authority will cool this semi heated situation.

Everybody good now??
 

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I was coming out of Winco yesterday with my Sweet Baboo when I heard a voice yell, "What kind of gun is that?". I turned and saw a portly gentleman. 1911, Says I. He then informed me that he was concealing and commenced to show the butt of his pistol that he keeps in his purse. "I carry a .380", says he. Lori recognized the purse he was carrying as she had one too. We commended him for carrying and recommended OC.

When we got in the vehicle and giggled a bit about the purse and anemic round. He was carrying though, so good on him.
 

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I was coming out of Winco yesterday with my Sweet Baboo when I heard a voice yell, "What kind of gun is that?". I turned and saw a portly gentleman. 1911, Says I. He then informed me that he was concealing and commenced to show the butt of his pistol that he keeps in his purse. "I carry a .380", says he. Lori recognized the purse he was carrying as she had one too. We commended him for carrying and recommended OC.

When we got in the vehicle and giggled a bit about the purse and anemic round. He was carrying though, so good on him.

Most 1911 guys I know would have responded "Well, when are you going to start carrying a gun?"


1911193_orig.jpg


5 people who carry a gat. 4 carry 1911s and one carries a 9mm ... guess who carries what?
 

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I had a friend from Mississippi visit this past weekend. He is a retired coroner and carries daily (concealed). He was not surprised when we met up this past sunday and I was open carrying. We went through our daily parade, restaurants, shops, parks, etc. He was surprised at OCing being such a non-event. Very cool.

I have been getting an uptick in folks asking what kind of gun I carry.
 

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I attended a wedding this past weekend of two very good friends. The bride had mostly unarmed Canadian relatives and friends. The groom had mostly armed American relatives and friends. I carried my Ruger Super Blackhawk in .44 mag. No worries.
 

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I attended a wedding this past weekend of two very good friends. The bride had mostly unarmed Canadian relatives and friends. The groom had mostly armed American relatives and friends. I carried my Ruger Super Blackhawk in .44 mag. No worries.
No shotgun wedding that and likely very polite guests. :)
 

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OYSTER RUN 2016

Well, that was fun. We had a booth (what's new) at the OR2016. Great day for OC and the 2A. Eighty percent of the people we spoke with were armed. The rest were Canadian.
 

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LUNCHEON FOR OCTOBER

Well Ladies and Gentleman it appears as though we have been "challenged".

There will be a luncheon on 8 October, 2016, starting at eleven. The location will be the same as last time, the Ferry Terminal. We have been informed that it is an illegal "gun free zone". Rapgood has sent them a "C&D" letter but they have chosen to not (yet) reply. Pre-emption disposes of this "GF" zone. We may say it a good deal, but we have to live it, A Right not Exercised is a Right Lost.

Join us for lunch/brunch and support the 2A in Bellingham.

https://www.portofbellingham.com/495/Bellingham-Cruise-Terminal

http://streatfood.com/
 
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