Warning shot, or not...

[Lthrnck]

Use only the force that is necessary to stop the action...

I wish I could remember where I read this at, but in Ohio, to the best of my knowledge, you are suppose to only use the force necessary to stop the violent action being put upon you....

Now if you shot and killed someone, and the perps lawyer tried to say you used to much force by killing the guy... I just wonder how that would play out in court. I know there's alot of IF's...just food for thought.

 

[nevinsb]

If you have to fire a warning shot, there may be doubt as to whether lethal force is actually justified as well as the need to actually discharge the firearm, as there is no apparent immediate threat. You also have hold your self responsible for collateral damage when you intentionally miss your target.

Level 1: Compliant (Cooperative). The subject responds and complies to verbal commands. Close combat techniques do not apply.
Level 2: Resistant (Passive). The subject resists verbal commands but complies immediately to any contact controls. Close combat techniques do not apply.
Level 3: Resistant (Active). The subject initially demonstrates physical resistance. Use compliance techniques to control the situation. Level three incorporates close combat techniques to physically force a subject to comply. Techniques include: Come-along holds, Soft-handed stunning blows, Pain compliance through the use of joint manipulation and the use of pressure points.
Level 4: Assaultive (Bodily Harm). The subject may physically attack, but does not use a weapon. Use defensive tactics to neutralize the threat. Defensive tactics include Blocks, Strikes, Kicks, Enhanced pain compliance procedures, Impact weapon blocks and blows.
Level 5: Assaultive (Lethal Force). The subject usually has a weapon and will either kill or injure someone if he/she is not stopped immediately and brought under control. The subject must be controlled by the use of deadly force with or without a firearm.

 

[Sgt. Kabukiman N.Y.P.D.]

Warning shot = bad idea.

You are either in a a situation to defend life or body, or not (and if so, you shoot to stop this from occurring). Period.

 

[Lurchiron]

an odd question that came to mind; if your in a bar do you get a warning shot?

Jack Daniel's, Please!!!

 

[Shotgun]

I teach my students; Never shoot to warn. Never shoot to wound. Never shoot to kill. Always shoot to live.

I'll agree wholeheartedly with the last one. But the only "never" that I teach is "Never give up." There are no rules in a fight to protect your life, including those involving guns. Telling students dogmatically to never do something will encourage them to be inflexible in their defense. I prefer to treat my students as the intelligent people that they are, giving them different sides to an issue or question so that they can make informed and intelligent decisions. This approach is consistent with the idea that "your mind is your primary weapon." And your mind is only effective as a weapon when it is processing information. Unfortunately there is far too much dogma that is uncritically accepted and passed along to students, who then uncritically are encased in that dogma themselves. If, as an instructor, one cannot give a full explanation of why he or she recommends, or advises against a particular action or technique, then that instructor has not mastered the material and is simply passing along what they've been taught. A "full explanation" includes not only the cons of giving a warning shot... but the pros as well. There are pros and cons to just about every decision one makes about carrying a gun, whether it's the gun you carry, the manner in which you carry it, how you dress, how you act.... the list is endless. It would easy if there was a magic bullet or a magic gun or a magic technique. But that simply is not reality.

 

[BROKENSPROKET]

I'll agree wholeheartedly with the last one. But the only "never" that I teach is "Never give up." There are no rules in a fight to protect your life, including those involving guns. Telling students dogmatically to never do something will encourage them to be inflexible in their defense. I prefer to treat my students as the intelligent people that they are, giving them different sides to an issue or question so that they can make informed and intelligent decisions. This approach is consistent with the idea that "your mind is your primary weapon." And your mind is only effective as a weapon when it is processing information. Unfortunately there is far too much dogma that is uncritically accepted and passed along to students, who then uncritically are encased in that dogma themselves. If, as an instructor, one cannot give a full explanation of why he or she recommends, or advises against a particular action or technique, then that instructor has not mastered the material and is simply passing along what they've been taught. A "full explanation" includes not only the cons of giving a warning shot... but the pros as well. There are pros and cons to just about every decision one makes about carrying a gun, whether it's the gun you carry, the manner in which you carry it, how you dress, how you act.... the list is endless. It would easy if there was a magic bullet or a magic gun or a magic technique. But that simply is not reality.

+1000 I could not agree more.

 

[HandyHamlet]

This approach is consistent with the idea that "your mind is your primary weapon."

Gunkata. Level 10.

 

[JamesB]

I'll agree wholeheartedly with the last one. But the only "never" that I teach is "Never give up." There are no rules in a fight to protect your life, including those involving guns. Telling students dogmatically to never do something will encourage them to be inflexible in their defense. I prefer to treat my students as the intelligent people that they are, giving them different sides to an issue or question so that they can make informed and intelligent decisions. This approach is consistent with the idea that "your mind is your primary weapon." And your mind is only effective as a weapon when it is processing information. Unfortunately there is far too much dogma that is uncritically accepted and passed along to students, who then uncritically are encased in that dogma themselves. If, as an instructor, one cannot give a full explanation of why he or she recommends, or advises against a particular action or technique, then that instructor has not mastered the material and is simply passing along what they've been taught. A "full explanation" includes not only the cons of giving a warning shot... but the pros as well. There are pros and cons to just about every decision one makes about carrying a gun, whether it's the gun you carry, the manner in which you carry it, how you dress, how you act.... the list is endless. It would easy if there was a magic bullet or a magic gun or a magic technique. But that simply is not reality.

And I will agree with you here as well. The statment I made here earlier is a simple summation of the typically hour and a half to two hour back and forth discussion I have with students with each of us taking turns asking and answering questions so that we can all understand (or try) all the different perspectives on the situation and the many different possible attendant circumstance surrounding such a seemingly simple idea of "Warning shot or not?"

They can excercise their index fingers without me. It is their mind that I wish to help them flex.

 

[XD40-OD]

Last night I spent a few hours reading other weapons forums in preperation for my relocation. On every single on of them, there was a thread about warning shots.

They are all the same, and remind me of other questions that should never have time wasted on:

"What pill can I take to lose weight, but still not have to exercise, and can eat everything I like?"

"How is my neighbor able to retire when I had a better job, a nicer house, cars and toys?"

"How come XD40 has hot women all over him, and I'm fat and lonely?"

"Why do people vote for liberals?"

 

[SigGuy23]

scm54449
A statement from someone who never studied physics or who sat in a physics class with his head in placed in an orifice where God did not intend the human head to go. Probably still believes that a penny tossed from the Empire State Building can flatten a taxi pulling up to the front entrance...*facepalm*

I like how instead of voicing your opinion on the subject of the thread, you choose to insult my intelligence. When a bullet is fired into the air, it will come back down at a velocity fast enough to penetrate and kill you. It may not be the same speed as when it left the firearm, but it is still fast enough to penetrate the skull and cause serious harm or death to the person it hits. 100's of people are injured or killed every year from warning shots.

 

[HandyHamlet]

I don't know dude. Some of the skulls around here are very very thick.

"How come XD40 has hot women all over him, and I'm fat and lonely?"

"Why does my Russian Mail Order Bride refuse to speak English or do my laundry?"

"Why is my .380 better than your .45"

"Why do you not look/dress like me when you OC?"

"Why do you drive a Chevy?"

"PCs Suck."

 

[oak1971]

Gunkata. Level 10.

Level 15 at least.

 

[HandyHamlet]

You had a tougher teacher.

 

[paul@paul-fisher.com]

I like how instead of voicing your opinion on the subject of the thread, you choose to insult my intelligence. When a bullet is fired into the air, it will come back down at a velocity fast enough to penetrate and kill you. It may not be the same speed as when it left the firearm, but it is still fast enough to penetrate the skull and cause serious harm or death to the person it hits. 100's of people are injured or killed every year from warning shots.

http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2006/04/episode_50_bullets_fired_up_vo.html

 

[oak1971]

You had a tougher teacher.

My dad was a Drill Sargent.

 

[McX]

so i guess we solved the warning shot thing. some for, some against. time and moment will tell. if he is close enough, slow enough, and i am out ahead of him i may opt to give him a warning whack over the noggin with my evil black gun. to let him reboot his operating system, and decide if he wants to try again.

 

[SigGuy23]

Thanks for the link. This does confirm what I said. People have died from bullets being fired into the air. I never did say straight up.

Also my point was that Warning shots fired into the air is never a good idea because you don't know where the bullet will land, and who or what it could hit.

 

[oak1971]

Thanks for the link. This does confirm what I said. People have died from bullets being fired into the air. I never did say straight up.

Also my point was that Warning shots fired into the air is never a good idea because you don't know where the bullet will land, and who or what it could hit.

I prefer warning shots fired into the genitals. It warns and insures they will never breed more of their kind.

 

[bluehighways]

never shoot to wound...shoot to stop the threat.

Good advice. As a follow up, read "In the Gravest Extreme" by Massad Ayoob. If your life is truly in danger (not just if you THINK your life is in danger) then pulling your pistol is warning enough. I am not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV.

 

[ahughesart]

The way I see it, if there's someone in my house I'm going to make the point to make sure they don't come back and to set the precedent that no one else should come around and do the same thing.