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This is what we're up against on the street

Grapeshot

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It can be a rough world out there.

There are those have nots that will releave you of what you have w/o any consideration of right or wrong simply to satisfy their wanting it.
 

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It can be a rough world out there.

There are those have nots that will releave you of what you have w/o any consideration of right or wrong simply to satisfy their wanting it.
I sometimes look around and see lots of 'soft targets'. 70-80 year old semi-disabled people and wonder how they make it through the day. One has the sense that they will be hit before I am, but is that true? Not really.
 

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2 times ive had these type of people stick guns in my face. both times i was unarmed... never again
Not to be dissuasive, but I got news for ya. Being armed is of no help when you have a gun sticking in your face, my friend. Can you describe the circumstances a bit for us?
 

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Originally Posted by sandiego

2 times ive had these type of people stick guns in my face. both times i was unarmed... never again
Not to be dissuasive, but I got news for ya. Being armed is of no help when you have a gun sticking in your face, my friend. Can you describe the circumstances a bit for us?
When the aggressor is that close (in your face), simple disarming techniques will change the dynamics.
 
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When the aggressor is that close (in your face), simple disarming techniques will change the dynamics.
Please explain a 'simple disarming technique' that my 5'4" girlfriends can use on a large male. I figure if she can't pull it off neither can I. Thanks.
 

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Please explain a 'simple disarming technique' that my 5'4" girlfriends can use on a large male. I figure if she can't pull it off neither can I. Thanks.
There are a number of easily learned techniques (google is your friend) but not so easily explained succinctly here. They do not depend on the physical strength of the defender. General rule of thumb is that the first person to move/react wins.

One such example:
http://www.fightingarts.com/reading/article.php?id=514

Another:
http://www.pdws.biz/Simple_Weapons_Disarms.html
 

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Not to be dissuasive, but I got news for ya. Being armed is of no help when you have a gun sticking in your face, my friend. Can you describe the circumstances a bit for us?
1st instance was a burglary.
came home from work and a guy walks out of my bedroom with what looked like a hi-point in his hand
being unarmed and in the wrong area of the apartment to run away without being shot... i kinda just stood there with my hands up
he walked up to me. stuck the gun in my face while heading out the door. i couldnt understand half of the things he was saying except a few choice curse words.
he took off as soon as he crossed the threshold and i was not going after him

2nd instance was an attempted car jacking
i was sitting at a light when a guy crossing the street behind my car walked up to the drivers side behind me and stuck a gun in my face and started yelling at me
i somehow got a hold of his wrist and pushed his hand out of my face and floored the gas pedal. i didnt hear him shooting and im still alive so i chalk that up as a pee in your pants moment

being armed in the first situation might have helped me but i can see the 2nd situation being of no help at all... either way id rather be armed than not armed
 

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Watch This

Please explain a 'simple disarming technique' that my 5'4" girlfriends can use on a large male. I figure if she can't pull it off neither can I. Thanks.
West Seattle bus robbery surveillance video released


Prosecutors released video Wednesday of a confrontation on a Metro Transit bus between a gun-wielding robber and a rider. The images show the man react quickly when face-to-face with the pistol, then pull the gun from his hand and begin tackling the suspect.

~Whitney
 

JoeSparky

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There are a number of easily learned techniques (google is your friend) but not so easily explained succinctly here. They do not depend on the physical strength of the defender. General rule of thumb is that the first person to move/react wins.

One such example:
http://www.fightingarts.com/reading/article.php?id=514

Another:
http://www.pdws.biz/Simple_Weapons_Disarms.html
Pulling your chain here a "little" bit here....But

First person to ACT effectively and decisively wins, anything else is a REACTion! LOL
 

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Please explain a 'simple disarming technique' that my 5'4" girlfriends can use on a large male. I figure if she can't pull it off neither can I. Thanks.
SIMPLE, hmmm. I would like to know this myself as the way I see it, you better get it right the first time when the gun is in your face or it could get very ugly if your timing is off, fo sho !
 

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SA and OC seem to have negated the need for hand to hand. The point I think he was trying to get across was not he wanted to be armed if there was a next time. BUT he wanted to be armed so there was NO next time. Bad guys tend to find a softer target when they see a LAC.
 

Grapeshot

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Pulling your chain here a "little" bit here....But

First person to ACT effectively and decisively wins, anything else is a REACTion! LOL
I understand that Joe. Still I would rather go down trying than not. If the BG is too close, he is doable.

We will react as we train will we not. (rhetorical)
 

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Not to be dissuasive, but I got news for ya. Being armed is of no help when you have a gun sticking in your face, my friend. Can you describe the circumstances a bit for us?
Being armed is the only solution after you have disarmed the individual who has just threatened your life. There is no certainty that you can maintain control of his weapon, but if you can get it out of his hands or take control long enough to draw your own firearm and shoot to stop the threat then you have a much better chance of going home to your loved ones. Let's not forget that most criminals are cowards, and once they realize they are facing an armed opponent and that they will likely get shot if they don't leave you alone, then more than likely the confrontation will be terminated.

If someone has a gun in your face then more than likely they are wanting something on your person, most likely your money. If you carry where you can grab your firearm while it appears that you are grabbing your wallet, then you can get the jump on the robber in front of you. Action is faster than reaction! If someone has a gun to me and wants my money, they will be in bad shape when I come up with a ball of fire and a bullet entering their flesh. Could I get shot? Perhaps, but at least I would know I defended my life and liberty against an opponent that cares of neither.
 

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Every situation is different.

You can study and practice for a lifetime and still get stuck in a situation you cannot defend against.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't study!

We practice what we can and put it to use when and if we can.

Just like the firearm, hand-to-hand combat is only a tool.

The tool may not work for each situation, but if you do not have it, you will never know.
 

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Being armed is the only solution after you have disarmed the individual who has just threatened your life. There is no certainty that you can maintain control of his weapon, but if you can get it out of his hands or take control long enough to draw your own firearm and shoot to stop the threat ....
Uh, sorry, how is a disarmed gunman still 'shootable'? Sorry to quibble.

Now, hitting him in the head with his gun, that makes sense.
 

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Uh, sorry, how is a disarmed gunman still 'shootable'? Sorry to quibble.

Now, hitting him in the head with his gun, that makes sense.
Does having a gun in your hand, mean that the other party (now disarmed BG) does not have the capacity to cause you serious bodily harm or death?

Note that I am not providing an answer, but only intend to raise the question.
 

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Just like a good guy, a firearm is only a tool for a bad guy.

Taking the tool away doesn't stop them from being bad.
 
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