Rem 700 Recall.. About time.

[HPmatt]

If i was taking one of these cases to Court I'd definitely want WW on that jury.
Unfortunately he w/n be able to carry in the courthouse...

 

[Freedom1Man]

You are joking right? Please tell me the above was sarcasm? The safety rules can be found on the NRA website, they were not created by Remington. Sheeeesh!

http://training.nra.org/nra-gun-safety-rules.aspx

See rule one, and if you still think the above see rule one again.

1. ALWAYS keep the gun pointed in a safe direction.
This is the primary rule of gun safety. A safe direction means that the gun is pointed so that even if it were to go off it would not cause injury or damage. The key to this rule is to control where the muzzle or front end of the barrel is pointed at all times. Common sense dictates the safest direction, depending on different circumstances.

Not joking at all. When was that rule created?
Seriously, cite when that rule was created vs the date of manufacture for the Remmington 7xx rifles.

 

[Freedom1Man]

1st Commandment of Firearm Safety

Always keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction.

This is the most important gun safety rule. A safe direction is one in which an accidental discharge will not cause injury to yourself or others. Never allow your gun to point at anything you don't intend to shoot. Be especially careful when you're loading or unloading. Treat every gun as if it were loaded. And make it a habit to know where your muzzle is pointed at all times, even when your firearm is unloaded.

http://www.remington.com/pages/news-and-resources/safety-center/10-commandments/1st-commandment.aspx

Your evidence is lacking WW.

 

[WalkingWolf]

I am stunned that members on a firearms 2A site could not comprehend not pointing a gun in a unsafe direction. Pretty sure the NRA guidelines were around before the 700 was brought to market.

Stunned! Absolutely stunned!

 

[J_dazzle23]

I don't give a crap about the rule.

The gun had a defect, so they recalled it. Case closed. I don't care to drag any of this gun safety smokescreen that doesn't matter into it. If I follow the four rules of gun safety and the gun still fires without me pulling the trigger, it's STILL a faulty gun. So for crying out loud, spare me the doggone gun safety speech for the 100x time.

Do you really think when people ship in their bone stock guns, they will just hang on to them two weeks, throw em in the "outgoing" bin and send their hem on their way?

It blows my mind that there can be fifty years of people complaining about this issue and someone's go to theory is that remington voluntarily spend millions on a recall due to the rumor mill.

if rumors created voluntary recalls hi point would be out of business.

 

[WalkingWolf]

I don't give a crap about the rule.

The gun had a defect, so they recalled it. Case closed. I don't care to drag any of this gun safety smokescreen that doesn't matter into it. If I follow the four rules of gun safety and the gun still fires without me pulling the trigger, it's STILL a faulty gun. So for crying out loud, spare me the doggone gun safety speech for the 100x time.

Do you really think when people ship in their bone stock guns, they will just hang on to them two weeks, throw em in the "outgoing" bin and send their hem on their way?

It blows my mind that there can be fifty years of people complaining about this issue and someone's go to theory is that remington voluntarily spend millions on a recall due to the rumor mill.

if rumors created voluntary recalls hi point would be out of business.

Actually Hi Point does accept voluntary return and repairs for ANY reason. Remington agreed to the recall to shut up unsafe morons. It is amazing that gun safety is considered a smoke screen, some people should not touch guns.

 

[J_dazzle23]

Remington agreed to the recall to shut up unsafe morons.

Can you please cite evidence where they specifically say that?

Their recall notice does NOT, from everything I have seen.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Can you please cite evidence where they specifically say that?

Their recall notice does NOT, from everything I have seen.

I am saying it, it is obvious as the Red Bull settlement. Anybody who has shot themselves, or another claiming an accident is a lying idiot. Anybody who believes that gun safety is a smokescreen is just as~~~

 

[J_dazzle23]

I am saying it, it is obvious as the Red Bull settlement. Anybody who has shot themselves, or another claiming an accident is a lying idiot. Anybody who believes that gun safety is a smokescreen is just as~~~

No its not.

So is everyone else that has had the gun go off and it didn't hurt a soul because they WERE practicing safety a lying idiot too?

You're using some pretty broad strokes there.

again...if your going to call everyone an idiot that disagrees with you(that includes remington, btw)....at least cite a source. Anything.

Stop comparing this to the red bull suit. It's not even remotely in the same ballpark.

 

[metalman383]

So Wolf. What is a safe direction to point a rifle, and have it go off without you wanting to? Is it away from yourself, and people in your proximity? Is it away from people, or a road, or a house that might be a mile away, that you don't even know is there? There is NO safe place to send a round from a rifle when it is out of your control.
It is a shame that you have become so argumentative, and bitter. l am reminded of a guy who used to post here, named Sparticus.

 

[OC for ME]

I watched the video and it seemed to me, and I could be mistaken, that the shooter touched the trigger then released the safety where the rifle then discharged. Not sure what that means but I would never touch a trigger while the rifle is loaded and locked. I don't own one and there is enough doubt in my mind that I bought a different rifle brand. Irrational? maybe. I have friends who have had 700s for decades and this issue never once was reported to me, not that means anything in particular.

Anecdotal? Extremely so.

 

[WalkingWolf]

So Wolf. What is a safe direction to point a rifle, and have it go off without you wanting to? Is it away from yourself, and people in your proximity? Is it away from people, or a road, or a house that might be a mile away, that you don't even know is there? There is NO safe place to send a round from a rifle when it is out of your control.
It is a shame that you have become so argumentative, and bitter. l am reminded of a guy who used to post here, named Sparticus.

It certainly is not at yourself or another person... Duhhhhhhhhhh

 

[The Truth]

WW, it does seem you are being a bit overly skeptical here. You really think decades of claims and the opinion of the man who engineered the original trigger are 100% false? Seems only slightly unreasonable.

 

[JoeSparky]

The longer this thread goes on the more like I95 certain posters seem!:uhoh:

 

[x1wildone]

I would be sure that WW has never in his life had a weapon in his hands that was pointed at something that he did not want to destroy.
And I know that most of the time an inexperienced shooter has had a weapon in their hands that was pointed at something they would not want to destroy.Most persons on this thread would understand that this same inexperienced person when unloading this weapon will have to disengage the safety to remove the cartridge. This same inexperienced person will also have in their hands a weapon that (as stated by the man that engineered the trigger system) has a trigger system that could be built safer for pennies.
When just one of these items is removed from the equation no one gets hurt. When all of these exist at the same time someone gets hurt in a split second.
Manufacturers cannot control the end user of their products but they can control things such as capability to unload a weapon without disengaging the safety, and building trigger systems that operate as expected.
Remington has been owned by several companies over the years, including Dupont. They have been fighting this issue for many years.
I do not understand why WW posted that video. It was off topic.

 

[NosePicker]

This case and issue has always confused me.

This product, the Remington 700, is designed in such a manner that if you take ONE single step and action (pulling the trigger), it will fire a bullet 100% of the time.

However,some people are complaining that the product is unsafe and defective because if you do a series of multiple unconventional and unusual steps, the rifle MAY fire a bullet ( as yet unproven).

A car driving down the street can be easily steered into oncoming traffic and causing death by simply turning the steering wheel to the left.

I guess that means some people would call the car unsafe and defective if, in order for it to steer left into traffic, you had to undertake a series of totally unnecessary and unconventional actions and the car would possibly turn left.....yet no one can replicate this result on video.

 

[x1wildone]

This case and issue has always confused me.

This product, the Remington 700, is designed in such a manner that if you take ONE single step and action (pulling the trigger), it will fire a bullet 100% of the time.

However,some people are complaining that the product is unsafe and defective because if you do a series of multiple unconventional and unusual steps, the rifle MAY fire a bullet ( as yet unproven).

A car driving down the street can be easily steered into oncoming traffic and causing death by simply turning the steering wheel to the left.

I guess that means some people would call the car unsafe and defective if, in order for it to steer left into traffic, you had to undertake a series of totally unnecessary and unconventional actions and the car would possibly turn left.....yet no one can replicate this result on video.

Only one step is taken. Disengage the safety.

 

[Freedom1Man]

Only one step is taken. Disengage the safety.

They are anti-product liability.

Also those safeties are too easy to assemble incorrectly.

 

[WalkingWolf]

What less than normal IQ person loads and carries a gun or uses it in the field without doing a proper function test. Mad Moms would love this thread as they could use it to point out that some firearms owners are clearly incompetent.

 

[J_dazzle23]

What less than normal IQ person loads and carries a gun or uses it in the field without doing a proper function test. Mad Moms would love this thread as they could use it to point out that some firearms owners are clearly incompetent.

Here is a light bulb thought for you WW.

What if...just WHAT IF...most of the people that have experienced this problem did so during a....gasp....function check?!?!

Nah....I'm sure everyone that has complained of this issue had the gun pointed at their kid.

Besides, gums don't malfunction, and if you buy one that does, you're an idiot, right?

Smh ww.....this is very poor trolling.