WalkingWolf
Regular Member
Don't fiddle with the trigger. That is why Remy sealed the adjustments. Duhhhhhhhhhh
I don't understand why this one is such a big deal. I sell rem, mossburg, winchester, savage, henry, stoeger, benelli, etc...and Remington honest to heck has the most recalls. They happen all the time. It's not like a recall is this big scary thing for a company, they are used to it. Like I said, the 887 had a recall just 2 weeks ago. If any of you actually sell guns, you know recalls are normal business. There are expected to be mistakes here and there in manufacturing.
Believe what you want, but realize the only difference about this recall vs all the other ones, is that you have actually heard about it.
Ww, I disagree, I feel there is more than enough anecdote to show a problem in manufacturing some of this particular firearm.
I won't deny your worry about media manipulation is without merit. That at least shows your heart is in the right place and maybe you are not wasting time trolling. Tyically, I would think the same. But I've seen enough to convince me the recall is merited.
A memo in the 40 ' s from the designer of thr trigger mechanism, signed and dated, before he could get "old and confused" : http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/editorialfiles/2012/05/03/2226703_Rem_Doc_02.pdf
Inspection report in 1947 after design: http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/editorialfiles/2012/05/03/2226704_Rem_Doc_03.pdf
“theoretical unsafe condition” involving the gun’s safety
The fix that walker proposed in 1948, that never happened:
http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/editorialfiles/2012/05/03/2226710_Rem_Doc_09.pdf
If a firearm is new and it does not meet specs, send it back.
I would trust a felon with a gun far more than I would a idiot.
this is precisely what this recall is.
I agree.
Who are the idiots, ww? Enlighten us. The thousands that have complained to remington WITH OUT hurting anyone with their gun?A recall is getting dumb idiots to go away. But clearly it is not working because they are still around.
Who are the idiots, ww? Enlighten us. The thousands that have complained to remington WITH OUT hurting anyone with their gun?
Or is it that those people, every single one, messed with the trigger and is lying? Is it everyone that has witnessed it is lying too? As well as everyone with video evidence?
are all the people involved with the court cases over the last 20 years with remington paying out 20 million dollars, who looked at all the data idiots?
The designer is an idiot too, I'm sure.
And all of us here that disagree with you are either lying or idiots?
If not, please clarify. It seems that is what you are insinuating.
OT for a second...maybe.The memo is in references to changes is the sear depth made by some idiot changing them. As the trigger comes from the factory with a 5 to 6 pound trigger pull the gun is safe. Not to mention that they clearly in the manual tell owners to NOT change/alter the trigger, and to load unload WITH THE SAFETY ON.
So don't change the trigger, Don't use unsafe firearms handling practice. READ the manual and familiarize yourself with all firearms that are in your possession. If a firearm is new and it does not meet specs, send it back. If buying a used firearm and it does not meet specs, send it to a authorized technician.
The manual has very detailed instructions on how to care for, lube, inspect trigger and safety for function. A manual is free to download online, there is no excuse for stupidity, nobody stupid should have a gun. I would trust a felon with a gun far more than I would trust an idiot.
Seems odd that a cop would place the burden on the accused to prove innocence where it is the state's burden to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt."Now I instead say he robbed me... Well popo done go and cuff you up I keep hat or it goes to evidence...you go to court I testify you done did rob me. You now have to prove you didn't...."
Anybody who does not follow safety rules. Anybody who violates safety rules and does not take the blame.....
If someone shoots another person or themselves unintentionally they are more than a idiot, they are a waste of oxygen. .
There are not two personal anecdotes. There are thousands. This is common knowledge.Two personal anecdotes do not data make. It is not possible to sustain an assertion of non-existence, as of no hazard, without examination of the entire universe of discourse, hunting for that sneaky Black Swan camouflaged in a fractally complex reality.
Ok, so now that we have quantified who is an "idiot" to you, I'll pose a question:
Did it ever occur to you that perhaps, just MAYBE, many of the people that have seen this, have (a) not tampered with the trigger, and (b) are not an idiot?
Ok, so there we have it. We have thousands of complaints, the lawsuits, the settlements, the designer of the trigger, and the voluntary recall.And they would be lying idiots, if this is such a problem it would be easy to duplicate in a laboratory, so far that has not happened. All we have is claims, NO PROOF!
This issue has actually come up before with 1911's, but every 1911 that had this issue the sear was improperly back cut by some idiot who did not know what he/she were doing. And they were doing it to get that elusive less than 2 pound trigger. Most firearms should not have a trigger any less than 4 pounds, especially those used in the field. If you can't shoot with a 4 pound trigger get rid of your guns.
Good news: My Remington 710 is NOT part of the recall (submitted my SN and it is NOT included). So I guess they got the trigger right even though I own a so-called "crap" 710. ;-)
Sorry for the rest of you more expensive Remington 700 owners though...
I like my Mauser with the Dakota 3 position safety on it better.