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Idaho: Governor Otter Signs Permitless Carry Legislation!

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Idaho: Governor Otter Signs Permitless Carry Legislation!




https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160325/idaho-governor-otter-signs-permitless-carry-legislation




"This afternoon, March 25, 2016, Governor C.L. “Butch” Otter (R) signed Senate Bill 1389, NRA-endorsed permitless carry legislation. On July 1, 2016, Idaho will become the eighth state to recognize a law-abiding adult’s ability to possess a concealed handgun for self-defense without government-mandated permitting and fees"


CONGRATULATIONS IDAHO!
 
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Idaho: Governor Otter Signs Permitless Carry Legislation!
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160325/idaho-governor-otter-signs-permitless-carry-legislation

"This afternoon, March 25, 2016, Governor C.L. “Butch” Otter (R) signed Senate Bill 1389, NRA-endorsed permitless carry legislation. On July 1, 2016, Idaho will become the eighth state to recognize a law-abiding adult’s ability to possess a concealed handgun for self-defense without government-mandated permitting and fees" snipp...
and the OC'g community should be excited, cuz?
quote:
SB 1389 ensures that the existing and long-standing concealed weapon license (CWL) exemption applicable “outside the limits or confines of any city” only protects the rights of law-abiding individuals.
​SB 1389 exempts law-abiding Idahoans, who are twenty-one years of age or older, from having to obtain a CWL in order to carry a concealed handgun for self-defense within city limits.
​SB 1389 provides a mechanism for well-trained, law-abiding individuals who are eighteen years of age or older to obtain a CWL. unquote
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160325/idaho-governor-otter-signs-permitless-carry-legislation

so lets see, > 18yo still need to obtain a CWL to carry
so let's see, >21 yo do not have to have a CWL to carry within city limits

ya this is a big opportunity to ID citizens...

ipse
 
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and the OC'g community should be excited, cuz?
quote:
SB 1389 ensures that the existing and long-standing concealed weapon license (CWL) exemption applicable “outside the limits or confines of any city” only protects the rights of law-abiding individuals.
​SB 1389 exempts law-abiding Idahoans, who are twenty-one years of age or older, from having to obtain a CWL in order to carry a concealed handgun for self-defense within city limits.
​SB 1389 provides a mechanism for well-trained, law-abiding individuals who are eighteen years of age or older to obtain a CWL. unquote
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160325/idaho-governor-otter-signs-permitless-carry-legislation

so lets see, > 18yo still need to obtain a CWL to carry
so let's see, >21 yo do not have to have a CWL to carry within city limits

ya this is a big opportunity to ID citizens...

ipse


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permit less carry into other states

Congratulations Idaho!! Everybody is doing it except Ky. Constitutional Carry is sweeping the nation and we are stuck in 1999. Hell, New Jersey might be next!!
I can't tell you how jealous I am.
First off, congratulations of the new freedoms that Idaho residents now will get. No law bill is perfect, and are always compromises, but it is still a great improvement.
How does permit-less carry affect your right(IDAHO CITIZEN) to carry within other "permit" states when no permit is needed. At least with my non-resident AZ permit , I can carry in the vast majority of the other states. I would still think you need a permit from some jurisdiction that has an CCW agreement with WHATEVER other state you travel to.
 

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We are hoping that this will be a stepping stone to true constitutional carry. The "Moms" group worked pretty hard to defeat it. Glad we prevailed.

It previously was permit-less legal for concealed carry outside city limits for all over 18. Now it has changed to only Idaho residents 21 or older. But, added permit-less inside city limits carry to Idaho residents 21 and older. Non residents must have a permit in possession.

So it seems one step forward and two back.
 

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Well, if you are 18 and carrying they cannot force you to provide ID, right? Because that would violate the 5th.

Remember registration schemes where felons could not be required to register due to 5th amendment issues?
 

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We are hoping that this will be a stepping stone to true constitutional carry. The "Moms" group worked pretty hard to defeat it. Glad we prevailed.

It previously was permit-less legal for concealed carry outside city limits for all over 18. Now it has changed to only Idaho residents 21 or older. But, added permit-less inside city limits carry to Idaho residents 21 and older. Non residents must have a permit in possession.

So it seems one step forward and two back.
You are spot on. I would like to add that 18 to 20 year olds can now get a ccw as the new law changed it from may issue to shall issue.

Most important of all, Open Carry has not been infringed upon in any way even for 18 to 20 year olds.
 

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so everyone is excited for CCarriers not having a permit, except those > 18 yo AND those lucky Idaho citizens who get to leave the state and want to take their favorite handgun along...

sorry that was as excited as i get...

oh wait...forgot the common mantra...WE WILL DO BETTER NEXT YEAR!!

ipse
 

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The pendulum that swings dramatically in our favor can quickly swing just as dramatically against us.
 

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The pendulum that swings dramatically in our favor can quickly swing just as dramatically against us.
Don't see that there has been a dramatic/sudden change in direction, but it has been progressing steadily. We are pleased - still more work to be done though.
 

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so everyone is excited for CCarriers not having a permit, except those > 18 yo AND those lucky Idaho citizens who get to leave the state and want to take their favorite handgun along...

sorry that was as excited as i get...

oh wait...forgot the common mantra...WE WILL DO BETTER NEXT YEAR!!

ipse
Always with the negative waves


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Always with the negative waves


[video=youtube;KuStsFW4EmQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuStsFW4EmQ[/video]
lol So true.

Solus, progress is progress, no matter if it's an inch or a mile. As much damage that has been done, we can't restore it all at once.
 

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Don't see that there has been a dramatic/sudden change in direction, but it has been progressing steadily. We are pleased - still more work to be done though.
Sorry, that was what I was trying to imply. While I of course would love to wake up tomorrow in a world where Constitutional Carry was once again the Law of the Land throughout the country, I recognize that such a sweeping and drastic change implemented quickly would mean that it could swing back just as fast. As much as it pains me, it's better to make small moves. Revolution has an annoying tendency of breeding more revolution shortly there after, and all that achieves is chaos and destruction.
 

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Always with the negative waves
lol So true.

Solus, progress is progress, no matter if it's an inch or a mile. As much damage that has been done, we can't restore it all at once.
negative waves ~ sorry viewing reality w/o the rose colored glasses as well as manifesting a projection leading to false rationalization that progress is progress...

back to my original statement that you an others are being cranky over...

someone please tell me....what did the ID citizens who are OC'ers gain causing anybody to celebrate, especially as i am on an open carry forum...i'll wait....

ipse
 

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negative waves ~ sorry viewing reality w/o the rose colored glasses as well as manifesting a projection leading to false rationalization that progress is progress...

back to my original statement that you an others are being cranky over...

someone please tell me....what did the ID citizens who are OC'ers gain causing anybody to celebrate, especially as i am on an open carry forum...i'll wait....

ipse
Because if a resident of Idaho is open carrying without a carry permit, and their shirt or jacket covers up their pistol for one reason or another. When this law goes in effect, they won't end up in jail for a year, pay a fine and end up with a misdemeanor in their record.




http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/open-and-concealed-gun-carry-laws-idaho.htm


"Penalties for Gun Carry Violations

It is a misdemeanor to carry a concealed handgun in Idaho without a license. (Id. Code Ann. § 18-3302(14).) Penalties include a fine, up to one year in jail, or both "



Regarding the point that those who are 18- 20 years old still be required to have a permit in Idaho,,,should consider themselves lucky. In some states they cannot can't get even get a carry permit until they reach 21.

Some states, like Oklahoma are trying to do away with needing a permit in order to open carry.

Some states like New Jersey, Maryland and Hawaii it is IMPOSSIBLE for a resident to get a carry permit of any type unless they have some absolute justifiable need and can prove it in a court of law in front of judge and even then most of those get denied.

Even though this is an open carry forum, concealed carry will still be talked about regardless. The difference between open and concealed carry is a thin piece of cloth. That thin piece of cloth does not make the pistol shoot stronger, shoot farther or shoot faster.

That thin piece of cloth now makes the wearer subject to misdemeanors, fines or jail time unless they have the permission slip from the state . And paid the application and mandated training fees (depending on the state), gave out personal information to the state, gave their photos, and their fingerprints (in some states) and subject themselves to automatic monthly background checks by the state ...like Kentucky does.


Again, the difference between open and concealed carry is a thin piece of cloth.

The difference between a year in jail (or more) is a ..... thin piece of cloth....unless you have the 'permission slip'.

In an ideal world everyone should be able to open carry and carry concealed without requiring a carry permit. But we are not there...yet. There are three states where residents just wish they had some kind of shall issue carry permit system in place.

Idaho in some ways was a bigger deal than West Virginia , because in Idaho the governor actually signed the bill while thumbing his nose at Bloomberg's well funded "Mom's Demand" groups.
 
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snipp...://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/open-and-concealed-gun-carry-laws-idaho.htm

"Penalties for Gun Carry Violations

It is a misdemeanor to carry a concealed handgun in Idaho without a license. (Id. Code Ann. § 18-3302(14).) Penalties include a fine, up to one year in jail, or both "


Regarding the point that those who are 18- 20 years old still be required to have a permit in Idaho,,,should consider themselves lucky. In some states they cannot can't get even get a carry permit until they reach 21.
first, the term UP TO is a premise not the mandatory sentence...

second, since you mentioned half the states in the union i felt it apropos to mention...in NC those >18 may OC w/o a permit!!!

keep being excited...if it makes you feel better...

sigh

ipse

added: from your nationally produced cite, quote: Adults may purchase and openly carry handguns without a permit. unquote.
 
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