Has anyone disarmed you?

[Big Gay Al]

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50BMG wrote:

Al... You WILL see me at a Michigan OC get together this summer, and I will demonstrate EXACTLY how youcould be killed and disarmed someday... No... I am not going to take your gun from you, but I will show you how you are vulnerable to attack and disarming BECAUSE you are OCing... You don't know what I look like do you Al.... Feeling nervous now Al?Muuuuaaaahhhhh aaahhh aahh ahhh aaaaaah....

Better be prepared Al... YOUR OC test is coming...... (that is not a threat either so don't get your Big Gay Panties in a bunch... LOL... BTW, I LIKE the Big Gay Al character... LoL..)
:lol:

Funny, sounds like a threat to me.

 

[Big Gay Al]

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Miracle wrote:

Still waiting for some common sense from you 50.

I think that you (and me) have a long wait in store.

 

[SemperFiGuy]

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50BMG wrote:

Jeffrey Figer would have a FIELD DAY with you guys in court and yes, more than likely, all of this tough guy talk WILL find it's way into court should you ever draw your weapon some day...


Al... You WILL see me at a Michigan OC get together this summer, and I will demonstrate EXACTLY how youcould be killed and disarmed someday... No... I am not going to take your gun from you, but I will show you how you are vulnerable to attack and disarming BECAUSE you are OCing... You don't know what I look like do you Al.... Feeling nervous now Al?Muuuuaaaahhhhh aaahhh aahh ahhh aaaaaah....

Better be prepared Al... YOUR OC test is coming...... (that is not a threat either so don't get your Big Gay Panties in a bunch... LOL... BTW, I LIKE the Big Gay Al character... LoL..)
:lol:

:?Is it time to starve the troll yet?

 

[Miracle]

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sounds like a plan.



so....seen any good movies lately?

 

[fullauto223cal]

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50BMG has been making the rounds lately. He dropped by and flamed me in a different thread. Just like you guys, when you ask him to back-up his claims he either flames you more for asking such a question and/or finds another thread to vent into.

HEY, 50BMG. I'm waiting for your reply over in http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum6/7507.html

 

[Big Gay Al]

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All I have to say is, I hope he has insurance.

 

[Sonora Rebel]

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50's off his meds... That read like a threat to me Al.This guy's in MI? No wonder he's a dweeb about OC.

 

[Big Gay Al]

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Sonora Rebel wrote:

50's off his meds... That read like a threat to me Al.This guy's in MI? No wonder he's a dweeb about OC.

HEY!! I'm in MI too!!

 

[Sonora Rebel]

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'Sucks to be you.

 

[SemperFiGuy]

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He only posted on Michigans threads. He hasn't posted WHERE he is from.:lol:

 

[Sonora Rebel]

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(Gasp!).... Illinois? :what:

 

[Big Gay Al]

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Sonora Rebel wrote:

'Sucks to be you.

Actually, I moved here from Illinois. So no, it doesn't suck to be me. At least, not most of the time.

 

[Heartless_Conservative]

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Yup, they changed the California law because black militants were taking advantage of their law and walking, apparently menacingly down city streets with rifles, carbines and shotguns. This was a lot more scary than any thing that we have done.

Funny, laws against concealed carry were first passed to show those uppity pollucks, paddies, and negroes who was boss (because clearly an honest white Protestant had no need to hide his firearm, it was only those shifty blacks and immigrants you had to watch out for).

 

[Big Gay Al]

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Heartless_Conservative wrote:

Yup, they changed the California law because black militants were taking advantage of their law and walking, apparently menacingly down city streets with rifles, carbines and shotguns. This was a lot more scary than any thing that we have done.

Funny, laws against concealed carry were first passed to show those uppity pollucks, paddies, and negroes who was boss (because clearly an honest white Protestant had no need to hide his firearm, it was only those shifty blacks and immigrants you had to watch out for).

Well, that was part of the how our current handgun registration law came to exist in Michigan. It was after the (in)famous Dr. Ossian Sweet case, where a black doctor, was defending his home against whites and one of them was killed.

Odd how that happens, isn't it.

 

[BoomBoom]

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50BMG,

IfYOU or Anyone elseattempt to take my firearm YOU Will most likely end up DEAD not me. I also Never feel "Nervous" when I carry even open. There are several individuals out here like myself that can defend themselves with or without a sidearm. I do carry openly and concealed depending where I am going and what I am doing.

It is also the responsibility of the individual to be aware of their surroundings as well as using good judgement to avoid unnecessary confrontations.


I take off my hat to the fellow Americans that have theability to execute their constitutional rights.

If someone doesn't feel comfortable with their defensive tactic, I encourage them to continue with their training. I would also suggest to You, 50BMG,to instead of tossing around all of the feartactic'slike you have for the last few weeksand TRY to encourage them to find training in their area and hopefully prevent this type of attack.

That's all for now and will be sitting back reading the comments as they come in.

Till Then,

Boom Boom

 

[fullauto223cal]

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50BMG has been making the rounds lately. LOL

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum6/7507-1.html

 

[r6-rider]

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ima just skip the 6 pages and add my 2 cents...

if everyone wants to bitch about OC, why dont they protest lowering the age to get a CCW to 18? sure is easy to whine about "oh your making yourself a target" well if you dont like it, then ask "them" to lower the age to get a CCW problem solved. i wouldnt mind being able to throw a shirt or jacket over it once in a while

 

[Sonora Rebel]

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'Only thing I ever see from the Anti-OC bunch is projection 'n fear. Absolutely convinced OC's a bullet magnet. That should be in the news frequently... Hmmm?

All this 'tactical advantage 'stuff... Where do they hear that? CCW instructors makin' a buck? What about 'psychological advantage'? CC'd you're just another sheep... 'n just as likely to be a target. OC'd... you're a sheepdog. When the wolves hit the herd... do they take out the sheepdog first? No... 'course not. There's no 'advantage' in diggin' around 'n pullin' clothes up or out of the way to bring that sidearm to bear. Unlike the 'vids'... that jacket might be buttoned. The grip on that pistol might hang inna shirt... etc. OC?... Badda-bing-badda-BOOM!

Truth is... CC'rs are self conscious (unless there's no other choice of carry) and use all this other tacti-babble to cover that phobia up.

 

[sheepdog]

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...The REAL truth is...at the time where we all oughta be standing strong together more than ever, to have a hope of beating the current anti-2A government...we're at each other's throats and showing the enemy we're divided...I'm for gun rights, be they CC, OC, trap shooting, or plinking...and if we'd all get our differences that don't really matter out of the way (and I've been just as guilty of it as anyone, and on this forum, too), we could really rattle Washington and the state capitals and get our wishes passed...while we're all bickering, we oughta be making them hear our roar of determination...ONE VOICE for 2A....then we'd win this thing once and for all....

 

[camsoup]

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50BMG wrote:

Sorry it took me a while to get back here all... Things are tough in MI. for people in construction related industries (as well as any other for that matter)...

Protector84 wrote: The fault with BMG's logic here is that OC makes you a target by a BG which is unlikely the case. In fact, it has actually become the opposite with me where it actually caused me to NOT be a target. The example of getting hit over the head with a tire iron or champaigne bottle only makes sense if either oftwo things are valid: a) that you are oblivious to your surroundings allowing someone to sneak up on youor b) the BG would have attacked you regardless of whether you were carrying and/or alert. If someone is determined to attack you chances are they will. Most criminals "size up" strangers before attacking. Anybody who is carrying a gun and especially if the gun is visible should be VERY aware of their surroundings.This would mean you have already had the opportunity to size up the criminal before he sizes you up already giving you the situational awareness advantage.


Protektor, "Unlikely the case"? Oh, that's also highly scientific.... On your "a" point; IF I WAS a BG and I wanted your gun that you had swinging in the breeze (OC), I am certainly not going to alert you that I want your gun OR am I going to act aggressive/suspicious toward you in any way until I see the right opportunity. At THAT point, your head will be busted and I WILL get your gun... The champagne bottle at the grocery store is a PERFECT example again... You are shopping for groceries, this isn't a dangerous alley, it's you local corner store...I see your OC gun and I want it! I simply put a few food items and a big champagne bottle in my cart, wait for you to get into a aisle with not a lot of traffic, and while you are perusing what Twinkies to buy, I make my way toward you with my cart... Youmay even take a look at me as I approach, but I play "grocery shopping" too, maybe even smile at you when you check me out , then as I walk past you BAM, you get the bottle upside the head, and I'll using my F'ing KNIFE on you and your belt if I have to get that F'ing gun off of you.... YOU have become my victim of opportunity, simply becauseYOU chose to act like a "Protector" and OCed that day and I happened to see you... If you fail to understand what I am talking about here, then don't even bother to reply to this... It IS that simple, and you won't notice it until you are in a life and death struggle with me (mostly death: YOURS!)! ALL because you decide to play "Protector"... On your "b" comment and the rest of your reply... NO, the OC gun MADE you my target... I am not just an everyday "thug" who needs money... I am a drug dealer who has $10,000 in CASH in my pocket! I don't need to "mug" anybody... Muggers are low-life Pu$$ies when compared to me... I ama business man, who has to pay BIG BUCKS on the streets for a really "nice" gun like the one you were so nice to show me that you were carrying OC that day.... Don't you get it? On the part where you stopped an attack on yourself, I am glad that this worked out for you, but you negated your own arguement for OC there!!! Even you said ".. I was carrying concealed but in an OC holster".... Don't you think I would have done the very same thing in your situation with my concealed carry holster??? Your OC carry offered you NOTHING that I didn't also have by carrying concealed (which even YOU were doing until you needed it)! AND, if you were carrying OC in the same situation, it IS a very distinct possibility that those 3 thugs would have acted WAY less threatening so that THEY COULD get your gun at THEIR time of choosing.... You see????? Target of opportunity..... Simple....


Then Protector said "My goal for carrying a gun is not to shoot someone. I treat it as a tool that is designed to enhance safety both for me as well as the surrounding public. A CC gun does nothing to deter crime whereas an OC gun deters most crime. An OC gun won't deter all crime as nothing is foolproof. However, I would rather deter a criminal from coming in a place to rob and kill someone by simply having it visible and demonstrating readiness and situational awareness causing the would-becrook to turn around and go hit some other place than carry CC and spend the rest of my life remembering images of ending someone's life not to mention the many other consequences of using deadly force. Last but not least I do believe that OC does carry a bit more responsibility than CC which probably causes a lot of CCers to not be interested in OCing. The two main challengeswith OC that don't come up as much with CC is a) weapon retention and b) readiness to deal with an emergency. Both of these increased challenges can be easily overcome with proper holsters and goodpractice.


Excuse me Protector, YOU are NOT MY "protector", and I don't want you "playing" such a role around me!!!! This isn't a flippin' game! This is MY life, and my life may be taken by YOUR weapon because you chose to OC in the above grocery store!!! CCW IS a deterrent. When many of us do it, there will be more dead thugs reported in the newsapapers. On your point about being a deterrent and preventing a BG from entering and robbing a place/killing people... NO, wrong again! YOU just became the first victim, that's all!!! If I am violent criminal/crackhead who is also armed (as you yourself inferred) and I am determined to rob a place and I see you in there with your nice gun on your hip, YOU are the first dead man in the store!

It may be sick, but one of my favorite things to do in a jewelry store with an armed guard (like the Jared stores which do not recognize my concealed carry rights nation wide!) is to remind the guard that he is "Target #1" because that store doesn't allow citizens to be his "backup by default"... Literally, I have walked through the Jared door and made my finger into a makeshift pistol and jokingly shot the armed guard in the head! Then I look at the sales person (hopefully a manager) and say "Now What!?!" Why dont; you try and exercise your OC rights and walk into a Jared store some day... Tell us all how that one goes will you please!?!

Protector, I am not intentionally beating up on you personally, I am just trying to show you that your points for OC when CC is legal are as rediculous as anything I can say regarding the opposite! In fact, your very arguement supports my claims in many a way! On your last points, weapon retention IS one of the major flaws with OC. But, your point about being prepared/readiness in dealing with an emergency is something that ALL carriers of deadly weapons need to be intimately familiar with. You OCers, just decide that you need to do EVEN MORE in the preparedness department because you make yourself "targets" for BG's EVERY time you OC.....

I will say one thing, with a handle like "Protector" and with what you have written here, there may be some personal issues that you carry with you to this OC issue... Also, IF you are unfortunate enough to have to shoot/kill somebody with your weapon one day (even legitimately), the Jeffrey Figers (read: a$$hole attorneys) of the world will probably have a field day with that handle and the postings that you have made! It wouldn't be terribly difficult to show that "maybe" you were out LOOKING for trouble with your OC/"Protector" attitude that you posted here.... Ever thought of that?????

Unfortunately, WE ALL need to consider BS like this anymore, whether we OC or CC!

I'd hate to see you get into trouble either way Protector....

50BMG.

CC is great and I'm all for it if you decide thats the fashion in which you want to carry. But when you CC you appear to be a soft/easy target to any BG out there. What is to stop them from trying to mess with you for your wallet, or your watch, or your money. Even though you are armed and CC'ing just being placed in a situation with a BG attempting to get something from you has just raised your chances of being injured or maybe killed....

Lets write some fiction, kind of like the crazy BG with a champagne bottle theory you have come up with......

Lets say your walking home one evening, maybe out for a walk with the dog, Your packing as usual in your shorts pocket. Lets say a BG is in the neighborhood that night and decides he wants your wallet. He casually approaches from the front , he is playing the walking down the street game, not the im about to rob you tonight game....at about 15 feet he smiles and says hello and you return the favor, then your dog steps off the curb and you glance down to see why. Mister BG notices your attention is diverted and as he passes you he pulls a knife and puts it to your side. He asks for your wallet and your watch...... now are you going to attempt to drawn your concealed pistol and shoot this thug? He has already made the decision to forcibly take your wallet... your chances of drawing, firing and getting a hit before he has a chance to cut you is slim.

Lets back up and assume you decided to OC tonight and that shiny .357 you carry is strapped to your hip, as the BG approaches he notices the holster and the gun, he gets a little nervous and steps off the curb to give you a wide path as he passes you. And moves on looking for the next easy target.

Which of those is more likely to happen? Personally I think the sight of a gun is going to deter 99.5% of criminals, there are opportunistic and looking for easy target.

CC doesn't prevent any % of criminal from recognizing you as a possible hard target and leaves you in the same class as the rest of soft/easy targets.
Leaving you as a "target" for all BG's, not just the crazy hardened ones that want to target people who OC and hit people over the head with champagne bottles to steal their guns every time you CC.