Hampton Roads - OC reports

[wylde007]

Yes MSC 45acp is older and has fired more brass downrange than I. ;-)

With all due respect, I highly doubt that very much brass has gone "downrange".

 

[45acpForMe]

With all due respect, I highly doubt that very much brass has gone "downrange".

True, unless your rifle ejects forward like mine. I guess "lead" does make more sense!

 

[Lawyer with a Gun]

Welcome. I am just a lurker here but i carry in VB all the time. In the last ten yrs i have had just a handful of OC issues . Mostly the simple OMG type. I live in arrowhead so i have hit all the local spots with no trouble at all. That being said i think OC in Norfolk is a pain. Still do it tho. Hit 7-11, Stalmart, and Homedepot on military just this afternoon. Hit me up if your up to an outing at the beach.

Arrowhead is my neck of the woods. I'm constantly open carrying around the area. I have had no problems on the VB side, and have OC'ed in Janaf and the Military Highway stores without a problem.

 

[MagiK_SacK]

I'm a bit late with this post, but I was waiting for the FOIA info to get to me. So with that...

January 7th, I've been home in VA Beach from deployment all of 48 hours, and I decided to go down to Birdneck Shoppes at 501 Birdneck, to go to the Smoke Shack there and maybe to 501 City Grill. I went into the Smoke Shack, looked around, bought a cigar, chatted with the cute gal behind the counter about my open carry, and then walked out. It was a gorgeous day, so I lit up right there, and was enjoying the weather. I wandered down the strip mall, casual, just lollygagging as I smoked, and at the far end of the complex, the owner of Motley Mutts got up in my face a bit (to make a long story short). So I walked past him, then turned around and walked back towards the other end where my car was parked, not saying anything more to him than a few words the whole time. I finished my cigar, stopped to buy some Girl Scout cookies from a little girl and her mother, and then as I was walking across the lot, a VB police car pulled into the lot behind me. Sure enough, I heard the officer's voice asking me to stop. The rest of the conversation went something like this (paraphrased to save some writing on my part):

Her: "We had a call about a man with a gun down here. I assume that's you. I see you are open carrying, and that is certainly your right, but I need to verify that you are legitimate to carry, you know, not a felon or anything like that."

me: "Ok."

"So I will need your identification, please."

"No, I'm not going to give that to you today."

"I'm asking for your identification, and you're required to give it to me."

"No, I'm not. There is no code that says I am required to show you identification to just walk around."

"Actually, there's a city code that says if a city employee asks for your ID, you have to give it to them."

(Me, laughing at her) "Now you're making sh*t up. There's no such law."

(Her, frustrated) "Can I get your name?"

"Absolutely." At which point I gave her my name, and spelled it for her.

"And your address?" Which I also gave her. Then she says, "And can I get your social security number?" I started laughing at her again.

"If I'm not going to give you my identification, what makes you think I'm going to give you my social security number? I don't just give that out. No."

So far into this conversation, it was civil and pretty professional, but I could tell she was frustrated with me. She was young, very little (like 5'2"; I'm 6'4"+), and seemed pretty out of her element. So then she says, "Well, for your protection and mine, I'm going to ask you to put your gun in your truck there, and come over to stand next to my cruiser while I run your name. I gave serious thought to telling her no again, but based on her body language, it probably wouldn't have gone well, and I still had a lot of stuff to do that weekend after having just got back from deployment, and getting into it with the cops wasn't on the list. So I bit my tongue, and said, "I can do that." So I did, and after about 5 minutes of standing on the curb texting my brother and chatting with one of the cops who had just showed up as her backup (a third one showed up as I was leaving - must have been a slow day in VB), she said I checked out, and I headed out.

One of the two post-scripts is that I emailed Internal Affairs to recommend to them that they train her a little better, because what she asked for by disarming me was actually not required and not legal. They forwarded it (or said they did) to her supervisor, so hopefully that worked out. I'm happy enough.

The second post-script is that I FOIAed all the documentation, including the 911 call that the owner of Motley Mutts made to the police. Looks like I can't attach it here due to the restrictions of file types on the forum, but I'm happy to send it to whomever wishes to hear it. He embellishes a few things, but my key takeaways were that the dispatcher told him twice that I was legal (nice job!), and that he still insisted that someone come by just to make sure I was on the "up-and-up." I didn't run into or see any of the customers he described in his call, and in fact the conversations I had both inside the Smoke Shack, and with the Girl Scout, were pleasant and a non-issue. So I'm pretty confident in saying he's anti-gun.

Since then, I've been in Walmart, Home Depot, Sakura on Newtown, Farm Fresh on Indian River, Dario's Pizza at Holland and South Plaza (great pizza!), Mi Casita at Rosemont/264, El Taco Loco over by Sam's on the Boulevard, Office Depot and OfficeMax down near Military/VA Beach Blvd, and a few other places around town. No issues. Had a conversation just tonight with a gentleman from FL who was asking how it worked here in VA. Good chat.

That blows man! I frequent that exact area about once or twice a month and OC every time. I go to Dogg Stuff for my dog food practically right across the street from that strip mall. I have considered stopping by that strip to walk around but never have. I have on the other hand stopped in Motley Mutts to see if it was a drop off service. Too bad I wasn't OC at the time. I am about due for dog food though and one of the dogs need a bath. If I was a dick I would stop in there and try to get the dog a bath while I OC just for general purpose. I'd just rather avoid confrontation whenever possible. I would be interested in hearing the 911 call myself.

Glad to hear you made it back from deployment safe!

 

[Crash7795]

drdan and magik_sack, PM's sent.

 

[45acpForMe]

OC-ed to Chili's for lunch yesterday then to Ulta again for my daughters. No problems.

Today, OC-ed to Dr. Lee (an oral surgeon) for my daughter and then to Islander's sports store in Poquoson and Atlantic Coast Tumbling.

At Dr. Lee's office he noticed my FNP-45 and we talked about guns for several minutes. He says he has been in shooting sports since he was a small boy. I explained OCDO, VCDL, CHP's and some of the gun laws that VCDL has worked on in the past. He was very pro-gun and I am glad to give him our business. Even his assistant joined in the conversation and was supportive of 2A rights.

 

[DJEEPER]

OC-ed to Chili's for lunch yesterday then to Ulta again for my daughters. No problems.

Today, OC-ed to Dr. Lee (an oral surgeon) for my daughter and then to Islander's sports store in Poquoson and Atlantic Coast Tumbling.

At Dr. Lee's office he noticed my FNP-45 and we talked about guns for several minutes. He says he has been in shooting sports since he was a small boy. I explained OCDO, VCDL, CHP's and some of the gun laws that VCDL has worked on in the past. He was very pro-gun and I am glad to give him our business. Even his assistant joined in the conversation and was supportive of 2A rights.

*golfclap* You did your deed for the day

I would like to note that I saw a familiar face in my motorcycle side mirror yesterday. It was the nutty professor guy from ODU who ended up walking away with his middle finger waving in the air. I have a backpack that goes on my sissy bar with a big orange GUNS SAVE LIVES button on it, facing backwards. He was a passenger in the car behind me. I saw him point at it and start conversing with his driver. I made eye contact in the mirror and waved (a single left to right wrist twist with a nod of my helmet).
I was leaving the ODU parking lot.

Hehehe

 

[45acpForMe]

*golfclap* You did your deed for the day

I would like to note that I saw a familiar face in my motorcycle side mirror yesterday. It was the nutty professor guy from ODU who ended up walking away with his middle finger waving in the air. I have a backpack that goes on my sissy bar with a big orange GUNS SAVE LIVES button on it, facing backwards. He was a passenger in the car behind me. I saw him point at it and start conversing with his driver. I made eye contact in the mirror and waved (a single left to right wrist twist with a nod of my helmet).
I was leaving the ODU parking lot.

Hehehe

You sir are a better sport than I! I would have given him a one finger salute! I guess discretion is the better part of valor.

Now as you pulled off ODU grounds, if you reached into your backpack and pulled out your AR15 pistol and slinged-up, I think he would have shat himself. I know I know he would have reported you somehow getting your license plate etc but it is still fun to dream.....

 

[Neplusultra]

You mean like this? One of my favorite photos :^).

 

[45acpForMe]

You mean like this? One of my favorite photos :^).


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I thought the advantage of carrying a pistol in the car (AK47,AR15) was that it could be loaded whereas a rifle had to be unloaded during transport. I wonder how that rule/ordinace applies to motorcycles?

It would be hard enough to load a round while driving a car let alone a motorcycle.

I went for the AK47 pistol since they are about half the cost of an AR pistol (and have a bigger round)! Mine looks similar to this one but he went a bit farther upgrading his:

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[ocholsteroc]

Because it's an "AK pistol" you can keep it loaded in the car.


(IANAL)

 

[Grapeshot]

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Now that will defrost your windshield - 30 times! :lol:

 

[Glockster]

I thought the advantage of carrying a pistol in the car (AK47,AR15) was that it could be loaded whereas a rifle had to be unloaded during transport. I wonder how that rule/ordinace applies to motorcycles?

It would be hard enough to load a round while driving a car let alone a motorcycle.

I went for the AK47 pistol since they are about half the cost of an AR pistol (and have a bigger round)! Mine looks similar to this one but he went a bit farther upgrading his:

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Dang, keep coming back to that pic! Did you get this "locally" somewhere in HR?

 

[45acpForMe]

Dang, keep coming back to that pic! Did you get this "locally" somewhere in HR?

First that is not a pic of my gun but one similar. I purchases a Mini-Draco AK47 pistol online via gunbroker.com. I then ordered a hogue grip, magpul afp2 angled grip, UTG rails, sling plate, sling, cheap-o red dot sight and a flash hider. It turns out I didn't use the flash hider because the rails fit with little modification where they covered up the threading on the barrel. It would take alot of dremmeling to get the rails to fit properly so I bailed on that part since what I got works. The mini-draco is a 7.5 inch barrel and is a dragon-fireball generator. I had to get the red dot sight since the iron sights were 10" off (high left) at 25 yards and can't really be changed.

It was a fun project gun but it adds up over time. The draco cost $440 then add all the other stuff and I have about $700+ in it. To finish it properly, I would cerakote it, dremmel the rails and put a muzzle brake on it but I didn't want to spend that extra money. Maybe in the future rails will be available for it that don't require customization but not when I started. I spent the extra money on ammo and it is a kick to shoot!

This is what it looks like before mods:

 

[Glockster]

First that is not a pic of my gun but one similar. I purchases a Mini-Draco AK47 pistol online via gunbroker.com.

Looks like there is one up for auction on that site right now that looks to be the same thing (or pretty close). Suspect that definitely brings some stares carrying it around!

 

[DJEEPER]

I thought the advantage of carrying a pistol in the car (AK47,AR15) was that it could be loaded whereas a rifle had to be unloaded during transport. I wonder how that rule/ordinace applies to motorcycles?

If you have your CHP, you can open carry an AR15... so why not strap it on your back on your motorcycle? Thats legal. when you step off of the motorcycle, you are still open carrying the rifle.

I do it with my AR pistol quite often. sling it over my back (barrel pointed DOWN, not up) and go.

 

[DJEEPER]

You sir are a better sport than I! I would have given him a one finger salute! I guess discretion is the better part of valor.

Now as you pulled off ODU grounds, if you reached into your backpack and pulled out your AR15 pistol and slinged-up, I think he would have shat himself. I know I know he would have reported you somehow getting your license plate etc but it is still fun to dream.....

Hahahaha, yes sir, that would have been deliciously evil im sure he would have choked on his pipe X-D

 

[ocholsteroc]

If you have your CHP, you can open carry an AR15... so why not strap it on your back on your motorcycle? Thats legal. when you step off of the motorcycle, you are still open carrying the rifle.

I do it with my AR pistol quite often. sling it over my back (barrel pointed DOWN, not up) and go.

Pics or no proof

 

[DJEEPER]

Pics or no proof

I need more OCDO'ers riding behind me on the motorcycle haha. Im not hard to miss Just follow the black helicopters :tinfoil:
I recently bought a Mosin Nagant 91/30. I was on my motorcycle. So i slapped the bayonet on the barrel (since it was loose (not in package) when i bought it), slung it on my back and took off

It was pretty fun. But, to stay on open carry topic... I open carry the AR pistol when i take my nice day cruises.

 

[ocholsteroc]

i need more ocdo'ers riding behind me on the motorcycle haha. Im not hard to miss just follow the black helicopters :tinfoil:

lol

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