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Ground Zero Mosque

Alexcabbie

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Carry your 1911 in whatever condition you want, I don't care. I'll be carrying my P99 with one in the chamber and no safety. Not sure if I'll keep it cocked or not yet.

I don't own a 1911, nor do I plan on purchasing one anytime in their near future(they're too expensive! :(). So there is no need for me to know that condition 1 is where there's a round in the chamber and you're 'cocked and locked'(hammer cocked, safety on). But I do, mostly because you guys talk about it all the time.


Any other questions? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Just checked your profile. 24 years old, eh? well, keep reading what the big boys say and maybe you'll larn a few things. As far as I am concerned, there's no debate here. I have laid out facts.

the "Tech Threads" are the ones dealing with guns, holsters, ammo and accessories. FAolks who come here with a political agenda dont usually post on them, because they wouldn't know a .45 cartridge from a 45 RPM phonograph record.
 

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Jack Hoff? Gettin a bit personal aren't you? Such is a sure sign that someone feels cornered in a debate, usually the cause of their opponent putting forth an argument they can not rebut.

I'll be carrying a blued 9mm P99 with an AS trigger just as soon as I can get the rest of the money for the gun and a license(unlicensed carry in Texas is illegal unless you are on your own property, in your car or hunting). http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?80968-Cabela-s-in-Buda

What tech threads do you refer?

Carry your 1911 in whatever condition you want, I don't care. I'll be carrying my P99 with one in the chamber and no safety. Not sure if I'll keep it cocked or not yet.

I don't own a 1911, nor do I plan on purchasing one anytime in the near future(they're too expensive! :(). So there is no need for me to know that condition 1 is where there's a round in the chamber and you're 'cocked and locked'(hammer cocked, safety on). But I do.


Any other questions? :rolleyes:

Oh Jack, not all 1911's are expensive. I have a Rock Island Armorey .45ACP that only cost around $ 400. The RI are made by Armscor in the Philippines and are Mil-Spec so most of the cool upgrade parts will work. RI also offers the 1911 in .38 super and I believe 9mm. A nice RI Tactical will run you 450-475 and comes with dove tail sights front and back, beaver-tail grip safety, Commander style hammer, and light weight trigger. Just don't let the gun snobs blast you for not buying a Kimber. I bougth the "government" model and have truley enjoyed upgrading and shooting this fine firearm.
 

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Just checked your profile. 24 years old, eh? well, keep reading what the big boys say and maybe you'll larn a few things. As far as I am concerned, there's no debate here. I have laid out facts.

the "Tech Threads" are the ones dealing with guns, holsters, ammo and accessories. FAolks who come here with a political agenda dont usually post on them, because they wouldn't know a .45 cartridge from a 45 RPM phonograph record.

In regards to " reading what the big boys say and learning a few things". An old fool is still a fool regardless. Not calling you one but to many feel just because they have gotten to an advanced age without giving up some idiotic view it somehow validates that view and makes it wise. It doesn't.
 

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Just checked your profile. 24 years old, eh? well, keep reading what the big boys say and maybe you'll larn a few things.
Attacking my age now are we? Embarrassed a 'kid' introduced your foot to your mouth? :rolleyes:

the "Tech Threads" are the ones dealing with guns, holsters, ammo and accessories. FAolks who come here with a political agenda dont usually post on them, because they wouldn't know a .45 cartridge from a 45 RPM phonograph record.
I have posted in them, just not much as I can not afford a gun quite yet, there is not much reason to. Ah, the good ole vinyl. Wish I still had my old record player and record collection, but alas I do not. :cry: The .45 is a nice round, but too expensive for me to shoot on a regular basis, so I chose to go with the 9mm. You are right about one thing. I did come to this political website with a political agenda. That agenda is regaining open carry rights for Texas.

Funny though, how you attack me for being 'too young' and yet you're the one with an incredibly childish, immature avatar. My 16 year old 'gangsta' friend has a photo of himself just like that, I bet you two would get along great! Keep it gangsta, yo. :rolleyes:
 

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Oh Jack, not all 1911's are expensive. I have a Rock Island Armorey .45ACP that only cost around $ 400. The RI are made by Armscor in the Philippines and are Mil-Spec so most of the cool upgrade parts will work. RI also offers the 1911 in .38 super and I believe 9mm. A nice RI Tactical will run you 450-475 and comes with dove tail sights front and back, beaver-tail grip safety, Commander style hammer, and light weight trigger. Just don't let the gun snobs blast you for not buying a Kimber. I bougth the "government" model and have truley enjoyed upgrading and shooting this fine firearm.
Thanks for that! I'll probably end up buying one for my next gun purchase in that case! The 1911 is one of my favorite makes.
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Would do it now, but I have already committed to the P99, which has a manufacture date same as my birthday!
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Yes! Let's make laws establishing a fashion police! Women will not be allowed to wear any clothes that may possibly make them look like males, dresses and skirts only, no suits, jeans etc! No one is ever allowed to cover their face, lest they be hung on suspected terrorism!

The words in bold went too far.

http://www.sarcasmdetector.com/

Also: +general theme of the thread: "Muslims = terrorists"

No. No. No. You're reading it wrong. Read my comment carefully and literally. Look for an alternate meaning.
 

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"You can't say anything about Muslims without getting in trouble."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...versial-cover-up/story-e6freuzi-1225928601540

Heres what the majority of Aussies feel.
"These people come to our country so the least they should do is try and integrate a bit. I don't want to be named because I fear for the safety of my family and friends - everyone's scared of them."
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Sydney artist rips the lid off controversial cover-up Henry Budd and Steven Deeks From: The Daily Telegraph September 24, 2010 9:14AM

Protection ... A mural depicting a woman wearing a burqa had to be protected by a security guard overnight. Picture: Bill Hearne Source: The Daily Telegraph
Personal protest ... glass sculptor Sergio Redegalli outside his studio in Newtown / Pic: Justin Lloyd Source: The Daily Telegraph

SECURITY has been called in after tensions threatened to boil over a provocative mural to ban burqas at a Newtown workshop.
Following artist Sergio Redegalli's painting opposing the Islamic face covering veils with the slogan "Say no to burqas", security outside the premises has been called in after tensions threatened to boil over.

Police also attended the unit at Wilford and Station St after a female resident allegedly unleashed a foul mouthed tirade against the picture and attempted to deface it with paint.

Security guard Nathan Daniels, called in by Mr Redegalli to protect his work, said there had been a lot of abuse - nearly all from women.

"The trouble has been mainly from feminists saying it was sexist and racist. This one woman was abusing the artist - shouting and swearing at him as well as making threats that she's `going to get him', so we had the police called in," Mr Daniels said.

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"The thing is Mr Redegalli is trying to get the message across that by women wearing the burqa their identity is being wiped out. A policeman said to me it has practical problems for them, such as identifying people," he added.

A resident, who did not want to be named in case of reprisals, said: "I'm only a pensioner but I would like to give the guy $50 for doing this.

"These people come to our country so the least they should do is try and integrate a bit. I don't want to be named because I fear for the safety of my family and friends - everyone's scared of them."

Mr Redegalli said the painting was a rallying call against the creeping growth of extremism in Australia and was not anti-Islam.

"It's about the burqa and extremism and not Islam. This mural has come from frustration," he said. "You can't say anything about Muslims without getting in trouble."

Should the mural be covered over? Have your say below.

The image, which faces one of CityRail's busiest corridors, has been defaced twice since painting began on Monday.

Marrickville Mayor Sam Iskandar said he "condemns" the painting but council did not have the right to remove it.

Muslim Women's National Network Australia president Aziza Abdel-Halim said the image was disrespectful, insulting and an "immature way" of starting a debate.

"I don't think [Mr Redegalli] is really even worth thinking about," she said.

"[Wearing a burqa] is a matter of personal choice."
 

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When I put the scarf on, I'm beautiful. Muslim convert Rebecca Kay.

"What is true is that fewer and fewer Australians are converting to Islam. When the planes went into the towers on September 11, 2001, Islam and the world changed forever."
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In fact the 911 terrorist attack has not stopped people from converting to Islam. Haz.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...behind-the-scarf/story-e6freuzi-1225929095275

Savouring peace behind the scarf Paul Kent From: The Daily Telegraph September 25, 2010 12:00AM.

Her choice ... Muslim convert Rebecca Kay / Pic: Craig Greenhill Source: The Daily Telegraph
WHAT she finds ... is beauty.
A serenity, a peacefulness in her life that wasn't there before.

"When I put the scarf on," she says, "I have never felt so beautiful in my whole, entire life."

What a feeling it must be.

A young woman, bright-eyed and true, brought up in the backyards of Australia. It was a childhood of touch football and hockey, of summer afternoons and big family Christmases.

Typical, you might call it.

And now she is a young mum, with four bouncing kids, and a husband and a life she nearly missed - and every day she prays and gives thanks for it. And all because she is now a Muslim.

It hits you like it hits everybody when they learn Rebecca Kay's choice.

Just last weekend a friend from her former hometown of Kiama came to visit her at home in Bankstown. She noticed the scarf and couldn't help but ask.

"But you're Australian," she said. "I know," she said.

"But why are you Muslim for?" was the response.

For many traditional Australians, the two are mutually exclusive. You cannot be both.

It is part of the misunderstanding about Islam, muddied by extremists and ignorance and all the very worst behaviour there is in all of us but which we often refuse to admit.

What is true is that fewer and fewer Australians are converting to Islam. When the planes went into the towers on September 11, 2001, Islam and the world changed forever.

What official figures there are for Australian converts, held by the Muslim Women's Association, are closely guarded and, even then, not entirely accurate.

"They can do it [convert] without even going to the mosque," says Keysar Trad, a Muslim spokesman.

"They can do it in a private ceremony at home. They can do it anywhere.

"But one thing I have found is even though there are a lot of people saying in the last nine years that there's a lot more interest in Islam, there were more people [converting] before we got so much publicity.

"The private interest changed to 'Can we tolerate Muslims' rather than 'Is this a way of life for us?'."

For Rebecca, the easy explanation is that her interest changed when she met her husband, Abdul Latf Darwiche, known as Albert.

Not that it changed quickly. Or easily. She is not the kind who does it the easy way.

From a family of high achievers - her mother Marie holds three world Masters records, her father John also represents Australia in Masters competition - she was similarly strong-willed.

She lived the young life, which is one of excess.

"The path I was going down before wasn't a great path," she says.

"I was a typical Australian that liked going out and drinking five nights a week.

"It kind of gets depressing over time."

For Marie and John, unable to curb their daughter's behaviour, it grew increasingly worrying. Until she met Albert and began asking his sisters about Islam.

"I give all my gratification to Albert for putting her back on the right road," Marie says. "It works both ways."

They met during Ramadan and, for Rebecca, the beauty of the religion came at night, when the sun was down and the family ate and drank together, and she saw the bond in their sacrifice.

She began questioning Albert's sisters, interested in the religion she knew so little about. They married in 2003 and, slowly, as is her way, Rebecca waited until the following year before telling Albert she wanted to convert.

It was done without ceremony, because, as she says, "God knows".

Three years later she went to a girlfriend's house, ready to begin wearing the hijab.

"My husband isn't fussed if I wear the scarf or not," she says. "I've been wearing it for three years. I feel that it's the next spiritual step for me. That it's the next decision."

Says Marie: "I get a lot of people look at me strangely here in Wollongong when I say my daughter is married to a Muslim and she's a Muslim and wears a scarf. I say she's still my daughter."

She has blossomed into a wonderful mother, says her mum, and now is part of a wider, wonderful family.

This is her religion. One for which some want the burqa banned because they aren't like us.
 

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What's the point you're trying to get across with that article? :eek: Seems like a good article, not just another Muslim hit piece.
 

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Jewish ADL to help Muslims build mosques in U.S.

Jewish ADL to help Muslims build mosques in U.S.
ADL starts interfaith coalition to help US Muslims


Interfaith Coalition on Mosques formed to support Muslim communities who are facing opposition in building mosques.


NEW YORK - One month after taking a stand against construction of the proposed Islamic Cultural Center near the destroyed World Trade Center site in Manhattan, the Anti-Defamation League has started an interfaith coalition meant to help American Muslim communities that are facing opposition to the building of mosques.

The Interfaith Coalition on Mosques (ICOM) is composed of individuals and Christian, Jewish and Muslim groups, and is meant to provide support to Muslims when their rights are violated.


Its charter members include ADL national director Abraham Foxman, Park Avenue Synagogue Rabbi Elliott Cosgrove, and Rabbi Yitz Greenberg, founder of the Center for Leadership and Learning and former chairman of the United States Holocaust Museum.

The group's statement of purpose says, "Working as the national Interfaith Coalition On Mosques (ICOM) under the sponsorship of the Anti- Defamation League, our purpose is to assist Muslim communities who are being denied permission to build mosques in their neighborhoods."


Full Story (http://www.jpost.com/International/A...aspx?id=188103)

Haz.
 

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“To Mosque or not to Mosque, that is the Question”

I found this post on another board this morning. Interesting read. Haz.

“To Mosque or not to Mosque, that is the Question”

Any American who truly loves the USA has an opinion on the proposed mosque to be built two blocks from Ground Zero. Let me state up front that I believe in our right to worship whatever God one chooses to worship. I believe that all religions have the right to build houses of worship for their adherents.

With that said, I don’t believe any church, synagogue, or mosque has the right to use a house of worship to foment rebelling against the government, and our way of life. Whether it’s a mosque preaching against the “Great Satan” (The USA), or an Aryan Nation church preaching the destruction of Negroes and Jews. That’s just plain wrong. As well, common decency tells you that a mosque so close to where the Twin Towers were, is an affront to those families who lost loved ones on 9/11. How do you think Jews would feel if an Aryan Nation building was placed next to the Jewish Holocaust Memorial in Washington DC?

There shouldn’t be a debate on the issue, it’s just plain wrong. There is also something else to be taken into consideration, and that the fact that in Islam, the building of a mosque is never just a place of worship, but it’s looked at as a great victory over the infidels when blood has been spilled on the soil of the infidels. This mosque is more than a cultural center and place of worship for Muslims. It is a pointed statement that they will destroy us once and for all.

I know that the left in this country would fall on the floor kicking and screaming their opposition to what I have said, but I know I am right, and I won’t give up one inch of ground on the matter. I also know that if enough Americans will speak up and voice their opposition, then maybe, just maybe, cooler heads will prevail.

This had been the Musings and Ramblings of an American voice crying in the wilderness.
 

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With that said, I don’t believe any church, synagogue, or mosque has the right to use a house of worship to foment rebelling against the government, and our way of life. Whether it’s a mosque preaching against the “Great Satan” (The USA), or an Aryan Nation church preaching the destruction of Negroes and Jews. That’s just plain wrong. As well, common decency tells you that a mosque so close to where the Twin Towers were, is an affront to those families who lost loved ones on 9/11. How do you think Jews would feel if an Aryan Nation building was placed next to the Jewish Holocaust Memorial in Washington DC?

Even if this is all true, how is it related to the case at hand? How does Park51 relate to a "hurch, synagogue, or mosque has the right to use a house of worship to foment rebelling against the government, and our way of life."
 

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Even if this is all true, how is it related to the case at hand? How does Park51 relate to a "hurch, synagogue, or mosque has the right to use a house of worship to foment rebelling against the government, and our way of life."

Huh?
Look, there is one thing about Islam that is really disturbing. There is a sect variously known as Wahabism or Salafism that holds that only their ethnocentric Arab-based version of the religion is valid. This goes far beyond the Christian view that the Bible is infallable as written in its original languages. The Salafist/Wahabi view is that only the Arabic version of the Koran is valid, period, and that they, the Salafists, are the only qualified scholars of such text.

In Indonesia (the most populous Moslem majority nation on Earth), Moslems worshipped in their way quietly and respectful of the rights of others who did not believe as they did. A gang of Arab Wahabis decided that they were insufficiently conformant to the Koran as they interpreted it, went to Indonesia, and started a string of kabooms.

The situation with Islam is, and this is perhaps a bit oversimplified but i am not authoring a doctoral thesis here, perhaps analogous to a sect of Grace Bretheren Pentacostal Holiness Foursquare Seventh Day Adventists who decided to burn at the stake every person who went to church on Sunday instead of Saturday and celebrated Christmas at year end and Easter in the Spring; for heresy.

And believe me, the Christian community has a few elements who are just that looney. The difference is, we call them what they are. LOONS.

Can one of our Moslem brothers here tell me why they do not deal with their loons?
 

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Perhaps you're missing the point.

Even if I were to grant everything you say about a particular sect of extremist Muslims, what does that sect have to do with Park51?
 

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Nutbars

Perhaps you're missing the point.

Even if I were to grant everything you say about a particular sect of extremist Muslims, what does that sect have to do with Park51?

This particular sect has successfully terrorized the more moderate members of islam into submission, tacit or otherwise. And I don't understand why. If a mob of 7th-Day Adventists were to show up at my doorstep and try to drag me into their church, I'd give them count of three to leave. If they didn't, consequenses would escalate according to their response, from summoning the authorities to blowing them away depencing on the threat.

The building of a mosque on the site of a Moslem conquest has the same effect as raising the flag on conquered ground. This proposed mosque will be viewed by Moslems worldwide as evidence that the "mighty Salafists" have made a conquest in America.

Never mind that this was acccomplished by intimidating passengers who have been rendered not much more than sheep by the predominant Western tendency to fantasize that the brutal tendencies of murderous fanatics can be overcome with sweet reason. Never mind that those who resisted over Pennsylvania lost their lives, but won the day. The appeal to those who believe in reasoning with filthy murderous barbaric fanatics rather than fighting them wherever they dare raise their heads is the hope of these smarmy radicals, who seek to obtain our surrender by maintaining that if we do not surrender it will be unfair to them.

By that logic, a professional football team should forfiet every game to a weaker opponent since, even though a title is to be won; to deny them the victory would be unfair. This, in the face of the weaker team's using illegal play tactics (And having the sports writers approve since it "levels the playing field".)
 

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"The building of a mosque on the site of a Moslem conquest has the same effect as raising the flag on conquered ground. This proposed mosque will be viewed by Moslems worldwide as evidence that the "mighty Salafists" have made a conquest in America."
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Thats how I see it. Haz.
 
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