Ground Zero Mosque

[PrayingForWar]

If I were you, I would cower and run away in shame too.

Don't be so sure. Condescending psuedo-intellectuals do not "run away in shame", they declare you're "too dumb" to recognise their superiority and strut off towards the sunset withouth seeing the cliff right in front of them.



Don't worry though, you''ll be ridiculed for pointing it out, then blamed for the gravity and blinding sunlight. There will be a complete denial of any responsibilty for their fall, and you'll be sent the bill from the hospital.

 

[Tawnos]

Don't be so sure. Condescending psuedo-intellectuals do not "run away in shame", they declare you're "too dumb" to recognise their superiority and strut off towards the sunset withouth seeing the cliff right in front of them.



Don't worry though, you''ll be blamed for the gravity and blinding sunlight, there will be a complete denial of any responsibilty for their fall, and you'll be sent the bill from the hospital.

Did you have to quote him? I ignored the idiot for a reason.

And my hospital bill will cost you $40,000. You may pay cash or money order. My insurance wouldn't cover it, something about preexisting conditions

Let he who is without humor cry the first moan. ...or something like that.


Something good I just read:

so i guess muslim extremists, which constitute a tiny fraction of the muslims in america, which constitute less than two percent of americans... are somehow going to overthrow the government, throw out the constitution and establish religious law. yep. sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

 

[slowfiveoh]

Don't be so sure. Condescending psuedo-intellectuals do not "run away in shame", they declare you're "too dumb" to recognise their superiority and strut off towards the sunset withouth seeing the cliff right in front of them.



Don't worry though, you''ll be ridiculed for pointing it out, then blamed for the gravity and blinding sunlight. There will be a complete denial of any responsibilty for their fall, and you'll be sent the bill from the hospital.

Agreed.

I am tired of watching him speak down to others on this forum, and his pompous belief that to have any reasonable discourse at all, one must have complete mastery of the English language. Of which of course, he is Lord of the realm.

I know it seems like I'm a raging ******* sometimes, but I listen to everybodies concerns, comments, or statements.

Even if somebodies "Redneck speak" translates over to their typing, I am genuinely interested in their commentary, and would not denigrate them on that basis.

 

[Alexcabbie]

We have met the enemy, and he says he wants to be our friend.

You know, folks, it is absolutely astounding how many people in this country subscribe to the circular logic of : "It would be wonderful if everybody was nice to everybody. So instead of starting wars, let's start niceness. If we are nice to everybody, they'll be nice to us. Wouldn't that be nice?"

Well, Yes it would, except that it's a load of horse poop. The fantasies of the rainbow-and-unicorn she-he-it heads who posit such crapola are rapidly becoming a luxury we cannot afford when we are engaged with an enemy whose "nationality" is a wraith, a variation of a religous identity.

Radical Salafist Islam is nothing more than the Mafia with what they claim to be God as Capo di Tutti Caposi (Which might explain why the Italian restaurant downstairs from my place is run by Pakistanis, but I digress..) Just like the Black Hand, they seek to either suborn the cooperation of their co-religionists or threaten them into silence.

Some Moslem Congressman took his oath of office on a Koran that was once owned by Thomas Jefferson. But do you know why Jefferson owned that Koran?

He had gone to have a talk with some Moslem leader about why Moslem brigands were attacking our ships and enslaving our people. The Emir told him that his religion authorized this. Jefferson obtained a Koran to understand who the enemy was and how he thought. I mean, I imagine Elie Wiesel owns a copy of "Mein Kampf". I doubt that one of the most famous Auschwitz survivors owns it because he wants to understand why the Nazis wanted to murder him.

For that matter, Heinrich Himmler granted the title of "Obergruppenfuehrer" to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, the chief Moslem cleric in what was then called "trans-Jordan". The enemy carps constantly about the "Jewish occupation". What "Jewish occcupation" was there when Himmler gave an Islamic cleric the rank of a full SS General, equal to Reinhard Heydrich?

For that matter, what does "Palestine" and the "Jewish Occcupation" have to do with the bloodshed in Somalia, Indonesia, and dozens of other spots around the globe where Salafists have decided the time was ripe for a takeover (in the name of Allah, of course?) It has NOTHING to do with Israel or America, exept that Israel makes a handy excuse to fob off to a world forgetful of history; and America stands in their filthy, evil way.

 

[PrayingForWar]

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America stands in their filthy, evil way.

and liberals want to push us out of their way. Though for the life of me I can't understand why. I could see if these jihadi sociopaths promoted womens liberation, gay rights, religious tolerance or for that matter tolerance of atheism. Some of the most extreme even oppose technology such as TV, or nearly anything muhamed didn't have. Except of course white Toyota pick-ups and AK's.

 

[eye95]

Alex, let me sum that up for you: It takes all to make nice. It takes one to make war. And, there is definitely at least one making war on us and others all over the world.

 

[Alexcabbie]

Oh, well, hell, PFW, let me clue you in.
The "liberals" think that they can use the Islamist fanatics NOW, and then once they have fulfilled their role, subjugate and re-educate them later. Ann Coulter (yeah, yeah, I know...) has said : "If it wasn't for terrorism, liberals would hate Islam".

The closest metaphor I can think of for the way the Left uses the Islamists to advance their own goals is that of a vandal carrying a bucket of gasoline in one hand and a torch in the other, unwilling to believe that they themselves will be unable to control or will be ultimately engulfed in the fire they intend to ignite, and that they will be ultimately incinerated by it.

Meanwhile, the enemy smiles and strokes his chin, barely able to believe he has lucked into such a trove of "useful idiots". Little do the idiots know that their throats will be first to be cut after their "helpers" are finished with them.

 

[PrayingForWar]

Alex, let me sum that up for you: It takes all to make nice. It takes one to make war. And, there is definitely at least one making war on us and others all over the world.

I have told several moonbats the same thing. When millions of people declare war on you, you're at war whether you like it or not. You can sit in drum circles smoking dope all day long, sing stupid mindless songs about giving peace a chance, and that segment of the world will only be more encouraged to seek your extermination.

Since it's pretty clear that radical islam has far more enemies than it could hope to handle, including those muslims who've assimilated and like to have a few beers while watching TV, the defeat of liberalism would ensure our security without spilling a drop of blood.

 

[slowfiveoh]

I have told several moonbats the same thing. When millions of people declare war on you, you're at war whether you like it or not. You can sit in drum circles smoking dope all day long, sing stupid mindless songs about giving peace a chance, and that segment of the world will only be more encouraged to seek your extermination.

Since it's pretty clear that radical islam has far more enemies than it could hope to handle, including those muslims who've assimilated and like to have a few beers while watching TV, the defeat of liberalism would ensure our security without spilling a drop of blood.

You must be lying, because according to some people, your ideology does not exist.

On a serious note: You are correct.

I can't stand the idiots who have keeled over asking "What did we do to wrong the Islamic extremists?", after the towers fell. Then there is indeed a single party licking their boots, so long, as you aptly pointed out, that it serves their purpose.

I also love the plebians who apply terms like, "Illegal" to concepts such as war, or secession.

It literally makes me laugh. They are the same ones who would cower in fear whilst ******* themselves during an armed robbery, and if they could muster up the tiny bit of yellow courage to formulate a coherent sentence, it would probably be something stupid like, "Thats..that's....illegal!". Apostrophe missed intentionally to aggravate Tawnos.

 

[Jack House]

Laws in wars is laughable and only serves to turn wars into games and lower the seriousness of them.

 

[ChiangShih]

Not so much.

Well, a majority of Americans and New Yorkers are protesting the building of the mosque at Ground Zero, but Mayor Michael Bloomberg has basically stated that democracy is stronger than the will of the people.

And now Nancy Pelosi wants an investigation on the groups protesting the mosque.

This is what happens when you have a tyranny for a government, folks.

It is not that the democracy is stronger than the will of the people; it is that the civil rights of a minority is stronger than the will of the majority. Our Constitution and Bill of Rights applies to every American, even if it is counter-majoritarian. For example, Brown v. Board of Education, eventually separate but equal and segregation in the schools was deemed unconstitutional. This was in the face of overwhelming public support for segregation.
This isn't tyranny, this is exactly how the framers of our founding documents (the ones many of you quote so ofter) intended the system to be. Protection of rights for all, not just the majority. This is the same mantra we OC advocates quote. Though we are a minority, we cite the Constitution as an undeniable source of our protection.

 

[eye95]

And, again, no one is advocating violating the constitutional rights of the imam who wants to build this mosque.

If you had read this thread, you would have seen this strawman brought up time and again and shot down time and again.

Folks who are against the Ground Zero mosque are not asking the government to unconstitutionally stop the building. They are trying to use public opinion to convince the imam that what he is doing is an insult to the dead at Ground Zero, the other victims of the Islamic terrorist attack on 9-11, and the families of all of the victims, to convince him to build elsewhere than in one of the buildings hit by part of one of the planes used in the Islamic terrorist attack.

Barring that, we hope to show the world that this imam is no "moderate." That, in keeping with his other decidedly immoderate actions, he is planting an Islamic flag on conquered ground.

We are fighting a battle for hearts and minds, not one to abridge the rights of a minority.

 

[PrayingForWar]

Laws in wars is laughable and only serves to turn wars into games and lower the seriousness of them.

Laws also do nothing but shackle the stronger force, thus prolonging the war. Furthermore, the side that actually has any morals at all is already restrained from killing innocent people. The difference between rational people and liberals is the recognition we risk our own lives to not only protect innocents but ensure we don't injure them. Liberals will be more than happy to ignore that, while pointing out mistakes and the extremely rare instance where wrong doers fall through the cracks. If not just telling bald faced lies and indicting their own nations intentions. F^&#in sociopaths.

 

[PT111]

A friend of mine posted this on facebook. I thought it was appropriate for this thread although it has wandered way off topic.

Regarding the mosque near ground zero, I say let them build it. But across the street, we should put a topless bar, called "You Mecca Me Hot". Next to that, a gay bar called "The Turban Cowboy" and next to that, a pork-rib restaurant called "Iraq o' Ribs"? And a check cashing center called ........."Iran out of money". Lets see ...who's really ...tolerant!

 

[ChiangShih]

Right.

They are trying to use public opinion to convince the imam that what he is doing is an insult to the dead at Ground Zero,

We are fighting a battle for hearts and minds, not one to abridge the rights of a minority.

Come on, lets be real. This has nothing to do with the hearts and minds or insulting the victims of 9-11. This is just another reason stir up emotions and light a fire under conservatives. Elections are coming up quick, lets paint anyone who doesn't mindlessly oppose it as terrorist supporting freedom haters. Muslims pray inside the Pentagon less than 80 feet from where the "plane" hit, and the proposed mosque in NY is only 686 feet closer to ground zero than another mosque currently standing. There are 20 -other- mosques in Manhattan alone. This isn't a real issue it is a political fire starter.

 

[eye95]

Come on, lets be real. This has nothing to do with the hearts and minds or insulting the victims of 9-11. This is just another reason stir up emotions and light a fire under conservatives. Elections are coming up quick, lets paint anyone who doesn't mindlessly oppose it as terrorist supporting freedom haters. Muslims pray inside the Pentagon less than 80 feet from where the "plane" hit, and the proposed mosque in NY is only 686 feet closer to ground zero than another mosque currently standing. There are 20 -other- mosques in Manhattan alone. This isn't a real issue it is a political fire starter.

It's amazing how you know how folks with the opposing view feel.

There are already folks praying in the approximate vicinity of Ground Zero. There are already folks praying at the Pentagon. Who cares??? That is proof that the objection is not about folks practicing their religion.

It is about speaking out against the building of an Islamic victory tower at Ground Zero--and decidedly not about the abridging the rights of a minority religion, as you implied in your post, and I refuted in mine, before you brought up this latest, irrelevant deflection.

To avoid the risk of creating another half dozen pages of a useless back-and-forth between a small number of posters, I will move on. Go ahead and repeat [strike]your[/strike] the annoyingly oft-repeated strawman or your deflection. Unless you have something new and substantive in your reply, I don't see any point in replying to you again.

 

[ChiangShih]

It's amazing how you know how folks with the opposing view feel.

There are already folks praying in the approximate vicinity of Ground Zero. There are already folks praying at the Pentagon. Who cares??? That is proof that the objection is not about folks practicing their religion.

It is about speaking out against the building of an Islamic victory tower at Ground Zero--and decidedly not about the abridging the rights of a minority religion, as you implied in your post, and I refuted in mine, before you brought up this latest, irrelevant deflection.

To avoid the risk of creating another half dozen pages of a useless back-and-forth between a small number of posters, I will move on. Go ahead and repeat [strike]your[/strike] the annoyingly oft-repeated strawman or your deflection. Unless you have something new and substantive in your reply, I don't see any point in replying to you again.

I'm not sure how my response is irrelevant seeing as it was in direct response to something you mentioned in yours and rather on-topic. That aside, I understand your argument of (and excuse me if I'm off base here) it being a matter of taste and tact not of religious oppression. I was making the point of the other mosques near ground zero and the one in the pentagon to counter the argument you articulated for me after my first post. If it is fighting against an insulting symbol, where was the insulted victims movement when Islamic services were being held in the vicinity of these places immediately after 9-11.
My point is, the only reason this is an issue now is because it is a political move. Also the claim that this center is going to be a "Islamic victory tower" is amazing to say the least. Those three words in and of them selves imply underlying racism and prejudice of your views, as the attacks were carried out by minority terrorist groups, not the Islamic community as a whole. Maybe "terrorist victory tower" would have been better. The sugar coated spin on "hurt feelings, not prejudice" argument is pretty see through and sad. Either way, I'll take your premature dismissal of my arguments, and your insulting quips as a "agree to disagree."


edit note: by Islamic services being held after 9-11, I'm referring specifically to the reopening of the Muslim prayer services area in the pentagon.

 

[buster81]

A friend of mine posted this on facebook. I thought it was appropriate for this thread although it has wandered way off topic.

Regarding the mosque near ground zero, I say let them build it. But across the street, we should put a topless bar, called "You Mecca Me Hot". Next to that, a gay bar called "The Turban Cowboy" and next to that, a pork-rib restaurant called "Iraq o' Ribs"? And a check cashing center called ........."Iran out of money". Lets see ...who's really ...tolerant!

Those businesses and the "moderates" would get along just fine. I imagine their insurance premiums might be a bit steep though.

 

[PrayingForWar]

I'm not sure how my response is irrelevant seeing as it was in direct response to something you mentioned in yours and rather on-topic. That aside, I understand your argument of (and excuse me if I'm off base here) it being a matter of taste and tact not of religious oppression. I was making the point of the other mosques near ground zero and the one in the pentagon to counter the argument you articulated for me after my first post. If it is fighting against an insulting symbol, where was the insulted victims movement when Islamic services were being held in the vicinity of these places immediately after 9-11.
My point is, the only reason this is an issue now is because it is a political move. Also the claim that this center is going to be a "Islamic victory tower" is amazing to say the least. Those three words in and of them selves imply underlying racism and prejudice of your views, as the attacks were carried out by minority terrorist groups, not the Islamic community as a whole. Maybe "terrorist victory tower" would have been better. The sugar coated spin on "hurt feelings, not prejudice" argument is pretty see through and sad. Either way, I'll take your premature dismissal of my arguments, and your insulting quips as a "agree to disagree."


edit note: by Islamic services being held after 9-11, I'm referring specifically to the reopening of the Muslim prayer services area in the pentagon.

As someone who has held a profile on OCDO for over a year, but hasn't bothered contributing much in the way comments except calling someone a racist it's clear to me what you are and that you won't be capable of contributing anything worth reading in the future.

Incidentally, what race would muslims be? Of course I won't be able to see your answer, since I'm sure it will be as intellectually vapid as everything else I've seen you post I won't waste time reading it.

 

[eye95]

Oh, and his signature line is an Irish rallying cry for unification which has of late been adopted by the Palestinians.

Just an FYI.