Dickson City, PA police conduct Katrina style gun confiscation!

[dontknow321]

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And yeah, its not that i want to shelter my children from guns, i dont want them showing people how childish they could be with guns. They know what would be right and wrong and manners towards other people. I love having my constitutional rights but why take advantage of them. Just because its in the constitution, does not mean the can not change the constitution, or the laws towards guns. I agree with hunting and having guns in personal vehicles and homes but in a restaurant ?

 

[Aran]

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Do you believe you're absolutely, 100% safe just because you're in a restaurant?



And that a car is 100% secure, and nobody will be able to break into it and steal a gun out of it?

 

[Aran]

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[flash=320,256]http://www.liveleak.com/e/8ef_1229239040[/flash]





I wonder, did this man feel safe?

 

[marshaul]

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dontknow321 wrote:

Is it all about the consititution or are you guys just taking advantage of the fact that you can do this. It may be constitutionally right, but when it comes to bringing them into a restaurant, why take it that far. You couldnt just leave them in your car. Or do you feel its right to make people uncomfortable with your presence ? To me it seems very childish, something a defiant high school teenager would do. I just do not understand why you would be so rude to bring innocent bystanders into your "right." I just want to know why you took it over the edge like that all of a sudden ? What could you possibly need to bring your guns into a family restaurant for?Thats all i want to know.

I think Suzanna Hupp is best qualified to explain why we wish to be armed in restaurants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanna_Hupp#Death_of_parents

 

[marshaul]

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dontknow321 wrote:

I love having my constitutional rights but why take advantage of them?

A serious question: what is the purpose of rights if we don't take advantage of them? Why would anybody ever have declared them if they have no function?

At any rate, you assume that being armed in a restaurant is childish. I argue it is responsible. Perhaps I would not want you around my kids, being that you think so childishly and all.

 

[Citizen]

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dontknow321 wrote:

SNIP It may be constitutionally right, but when it comes to bringing them into a restaurant, why take it that far. You couldnt just leave them in your car. Or do you feel its right to make people uncomfortable with your presence ? To me it seems very childish, something a defiant high school teenager would do. I just do not understand why you would be so rude to bring innocent bystanders into your "right." I just want to know why you took it over the edge like that all of a sudden ? What could you possibly need to bring your guns into a family restaurant for?Thats all i want to know.

This is going to sound like a criticism, but its more of pointing out something so important that it can't and shouldn't really be danced around.

One cannot honestly say in one breath that something, anything,is a right, and truly believe it, and then in the next breath criticize it. I am not now talking about gun rights.

Rights are rights are rights are rights. They are not subject to justification. This is why they are called rights. Not privileges, not negotiating points, not debate positions.

If one wants justifications for any given right, one should seek it before he decides its good or bad. Onecan look to the writings of the philosophers and legal treatises.



As to scaring people, it has long been the custom that brandishing/carrying/holding a weapon, any weapon,in a way that is calculated to induce fear is the legal threshold. Its the legal threshold for a reason--because doing it on purpose to scare someone was and is stillout-of-bounds. Just carrying one without threatening intent or demeanor, words, etc. was and is not. A sheathed sword was not, waving one was. A holstered gun is no more brandishing or intending to cause fear than a sheathed sword or dagger.

Realize that you are, by confusing thetwo,accusing forum members ofa serious misdemeanor offense punishable by jail and fine

 

[TFred]

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dontknow321 wrote:

And yeah, its not that i want to shelter my children from guns, i dont want them showing people how childish they could be with guns. They know what would be right and wrong and manners towards other people. I love having my constitutional rights but why take advantage of them. Just because its in the constitution, does not mean the can not change the constitution, or the laws towards guns. I agree with hunting and having guns in personal vehicles and homes but in a restaurant ?

Let's not wear seatbelts when we have the kids in the car. We wouldn't want them to see that we think riding in cars might be dangerous.

Ridiculous, yes. For some strange reason, the criminals don't ask you if you are prepared to defend yourself. That answer has to always be yes.

That you ask this question clearly illustrates that you have never considered how vulnerable you and your family are as you move between a store or restaurant and your car parked in the parking lot. But don't worry, I'm sure if you say "hold on just a sec while I dig my gun out of the glovebox..." they'll be most understanding and fully cooperative.

You have decided to surrender your safety to good odds. That is your right, and your burden to bear should your choice ever be wrong. Those who have decided to supplement good odds with self defense tools deserve every bit as much respect as you demand for your right to not do so.

TFred

 

[Pointman]

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[spurrit]

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You might ask the Texas senator who followed the law, left her gun in the car, then watched both of her parents and others from her hometown being slain in a Luby's family restaurant.

Please feel free to go to hell. MY family will be safe.

 

[Vegassteve]

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dontknow321 wrote:

Is it all about the consititution or are you guys just taking advantage of the fact that you can do this. It may be constitutionally right, but when it comes to bringing them into a restaurant, why take it that far. You couldnt just leave them in your car. Or do you feel its right to make people uncomfortable with your presence ? To me it seems very childish, something a defiant high school teenager would do. I just do not understand why you would be so rude to bring innocent bystanders into your "right." I just want to know why you took it over the edge like that all of a sudden ? What could you possibly need to bring your guns into a family restaurant for?Thats all i want to know.

Here ya go a nice family place to eat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTainp2cY_w

Watch the video then tell us why we should leave it in the car.



Looks like we all posted at the same time.

 

[rscottie]

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dontknow321 wrote:

Is it all about the consititution or are you guys just taking advantage of the fact that you can do this. It may be constitutionally right, but when it comes to bringing them into a restaurant, why take it that far. You couldnt just leave them in your car. Or do you feel its right to make people uncomfortable with your presence ? To me it seems very childish, something a defiant high school teenager would do. I just do not understand why you would be so rude to bring innocent bystanders into your "right." I just want to know why you took it over the edge like that all of a sudden ? What could you possibly need to bring your guns into a family restaurant for?Thats all i want to know.

What on earth do people have to feel uncomfortable about? A gun? Why do you require me to be aware of their IRRATIONAL FEAR? Do you cower in fear when you walk down the sidewalk? I mean, those cars are awefully fast and surely big enough to squish you if one of the drivers is having a bad day and decides to drive over you.

You're argument doesn't make logicalsense. You only allude to one reason for anyone to not carry in a restaurant, well, two. One is, gasp, the children will see, and the second is that it makes sheeple, er people, uncomfortable. Well, their comfort does not trump my RIGHT.

If you need to understand the reasons people wish or have a needto openly carry, I suggest you read more on this forum.

As for why you need to carry in a restaurant, there have been numerous instances where there were robberies, shootings and sometimes even worse in restaurants or the parking lots. In those instances, one cannot go to their car and get their firearm. Just ask Suzanna Hupp, a survivor of the Luby's massacre in Texas that had a firearm in her car but could not come out from behind a table to go get it as the gunman shot both her mom and dad. There are many other instances if you choose to open your eyes and do some research.

 

[rscottie]

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dontknow321 wrote:

And yeah, its not that i want to shelter my children from guns, i dont want them showing people how childish they could be with guns. They know what would be right and wrong and manners towards other people. I love having my constitutional rights but why take advantage of them. Just because its in the constitution, does not mean the can not change the constitution, or the laws towards guns. I agree with hunting and having guns in personal vehicles and homes but in a restaurant ?

Sitting in a restaurant EATING is being childish merely because one has a firearm? I mean, these firearms stay in the holster, they are not being played with, so what is CHILDISH?

 

[Citizen]

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TFred wrote:

SNIP Let's not wear seatbelts when we have the kids in the car. We wouldn't want them to see that we think riding in cars might be dangerous.

I'm gonna borrow this one, TFred.

 

[adamsesq]

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dontknow321 wrote:

What could you possibly need to bring your guns into a family restaurant for?Thats all i want to know.

Ahh, because bad guys go in there too. Have you ever heard the young lady from Texas tell her story about "leaving it in the car?" (I think she was mentioned earlier in this thread?) Her parents died because she "left it in the car..."

-adamsesq

 

[spurrit]

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rscottie wrote:

dontknow321 wrote:

And yeah, its not that i want to shelter my children from guns, i dont want them showing people how childish they could be with guns. They know what would be right and wrong and manners towards other people. I love having my constitutional rights but why take advantage of them. Just because its in the constitution, does not mean the can not change the constitution, or the laws towards guns. I agree with hunting and having guns in personal vehicles and homes but in a restaurant ?

Sitting in a restaurant EATING is being childish merely because one has a firearm? I mean, these firearms stay in the holster, they are not being played with, so what is CHILDISH?

Well, except for when I draw my sidearm to use the bayonet to cut my meat! (JOKING, of course!)

 

[Pa. Patriot]

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dontknow321 wrote:

And yeah, its not that i want to shelter my children from guns, i dont want them showing people how childish they could be with guns. They know what would be right and wrong and manners towards other people. I love having my constitutional rights but why take advantage of them. Just because its in the constitution, does not mean the can not change the constitution, or the laws towards guns. I agree with hunting and having guns in personal vehicles and homes but in a restaurant ?

Uh... This is simple enough even my KIDS understand...
I carry a firearm EVERYWHERE. Hello? Why would I leave a firearm in my car when I go to a restaurant? That makes NO sense. I mean, it's really that simple. Why wouldn't I?

I love anti's arguments. They seek to sound like common sense in the process throwing common sense out the window.

 

[deepdiver]

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I'll give one reason as to why carry it into a restaurant (or any other place for that matter). I'm responsible for my firearm. I put it in the holster in the morning and take it out sometimes after I get home. I use good quality holsters that completely cover the trigger, my guns are in good condition, and my carry sidearms have internal safeties that create a condition such that it is nearly impossible (nothing is completely impossible I guess) for one of them to discharge accidentally while in my holster on my hip. By the very action of handling my firearm in a parking lot before going into a restaurant or store there is an inherent risk, however small, of a moments distraction or some other matter that could cause a discharge that otherwise could not happen if the sidearm remains holstered on my hip. Guns don't "just go off" when they are sitting on a shelf, or in a case or in a holster and no one is messing with them. So, disarming in the parking lot creates more likelihood, again however minuscule, of say a child accidentally being shot and wounded than does my carrying it in a well designed, secure holster.

The obvious follow-up to that is that chance that my sidearm will be acquired by a bad guy and used against say someone's child, is much less if it remains in it's retention holster on my hip than if it is sitting in my unguarded vehicle in a parking of say a restaurant.

 

[jahwarrior]

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dontknow321 wrote:

Is it all about the consititution or are you guys just taking advantage of the fact that you can do this. It may be constitutionally right, but when it comes to bringing them into a restaurant, why take it that far. You couldnt just leave them in your car. Or do you feel its right to make people uncomfortable with your presence ? To me it seems very childish, something a defiant high school teenager would do. I just do not understand why you would be so rude to bring innocent bystanders into your "right." I just want to know why you took it over the edge like that all of a sudden ? What could you possibly need to bring your guns into a family restaurant for?Thats all i want to know.

show me the amendment that says we, the people, have the inalienable right to fell comfortable. go ahead, i'll wait.

































oh, you're still looking? stop, you won't find it. if you don't like open carry, go join www.defensivecarry.com; plenty of folks there don't like it, either.

 

[dontknow321]

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haha, i was reallly just wondering. I wasn't trying to make anybody angry. I do understand where you all are coming from. I was just wondering what was going through your guys mind. But why did you all do this at the same time all of a sudden ? You all know exactly what you are talking about, but why would start suing cops for this, they are only trying to protect the other citizens that were eating there. You're right also with there is no amendment showing that people have to feel comfortable.

 

[TFred]

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dontknow321 wrote:

haha, i was reallly just wondering. I wasn't trying to make anybody angry. I do understand where you all are coming from. I was just wondering what was going through your guys mind. But why did you all do this at the same time all of a sudden ? You all know exactly what you are talking about, but why would start suing cops for this, they are only trying to protect the other citizens that were eating there. You're right also with there is no amendment showing that people have to feel comfortable.

Sometimes it really helps to substitute Second Amendment "incidents" with First Amendment "incidents" to see what the issue is really about.

What if someone were praying for their meal, aloud, and that offended an athiest or other religious person, and the police were called in and responded in a similar fashion to this case? Wouldn't you and most Americans be outraged?

It's the exact same thing, and that is why sometimes lawsuits are required. A gun is a tool, just as words can be. Our ability to use them both in a lawful manner is well worth protecting.

TFred