22Luke36
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It's not naive. It's time to take things to another level.
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Carrying firearms at relatives residence.
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DrTodd
Michigan Moderator
I was trying to be polite.
22Luke36
Regular Member
Ok, if I'm wrong, how so?
Every person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
Any law, 227 for instance, that keeps a person from being armed with whatever they choose, wherever they choose, however they choose, whenever they choose, is...
unconstitutional.
Every person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
Any law, 227 for instance, that keeps a person from being armed with whatever they choose, wherever they choose, however they choose, whenever they choose, is...
unconstitutional.
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OC for ME
Regular Member
^^^That right there is funny, i don't care who you are.^^^
22Luke36
Regular Member
Socialist pig.
Finding anything that the government does illegal "funny", makes you part of the problem.....
jeffrey-r
Regular Member
It's funny because you guys are going on and on with this foot stomping tirade over "this is unconstitutional."
Yeah, we get it, we all know it's unconstitutional. If you have a solution, other than repeating "We should do something about this," then I'm all ears. Otherwise... yeah, I've read this book before. Unconstitutional. Got it. We've all got it.
Yeah, we get it, we all know it's unconstitutional. If you have a solution, other than repeating "We should do something about this," then I'm all ears. Otherwise... yeah, I've read this book before. Unconstitutional. Got it. We've all got it.
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FreeInAZ
Regular Member
For the readers who may not know this: DrTodd is a very strong supporter of our rights (all of them). He is a fountain of knowledge here. Can we please not urinate in his direction simply because we don't like what he relates - "the law" ? We can agree to disagree on some things, but at the end of the day, we are all in the same boat together. If we shoot holes in the bottom of afore mentioned boat, guess what? We are all getting wet together! Just food for thought.
Carry on - openly.
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22Luke36
Regular Member
I asked for an intelligent reply and all I get is another person on ignore.
22Luke36
Regular Member
For the readers who may not know this: DrTodd is a very strong supporter of our rights (all of them). He is a fountain of knowledge here. Can we please not urinate in his direction simple because we don't like what he relates - "the law" ? We can agree to disagree on some things, but at the end of the day, we are all in the same boat together. If we shoot holes in the bottom of afore mentioned boat, guess what? We are all getting wet together! Just food for thought.
Carry on - openly.
So you are all in agreement that the constitution is worth about as much as a peso?
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FreeInAZ
Regular Member
@Luke.
Nope not saying the Constitution is worthless at all. I am saying that many responsible to uphold it and obey it are.
This also means You & I. To paraphrase "all it takes for evil to prosper is for good people to stand idly by.." So we must become much more vocal & active if we are to uphold our rights (a.k.a the constitution). I have done what many have done and that is: contributed large sums of money, protested for our 2A / civil rights and stood next to many here who put themselves in harms way and faced possible false arrest / injury / death to defend our rights. Does this make me special? NO! It does make me a minority who would much rather be a majority member. Until we as a people start standing up and saying no more, we will get more: rights & freedoms infringed upon. Doing nothing, ensures nothing! That much is clear.
Nope not saying the Constitution is worthless at all. I am saying that many responsible to uphold it and obey it are.
This also means You & I. To paraphrase "all it takes for evil to prosper is for good people to stand idly by.." So we must become much more vocal & active if we are to uphold our rights (a.k.a the constitution). I have done what many have done and that is: contributed large sums of money, protested for our 2A / civil rights and stood next to many here who put themselves in harms way and faced possible false arrest / injury / death to defend our rights. Does this make me special? NO! It does make me a minority who would much rather be a majority member. Until we as a people start standing up and saying no more, we will get more: rights & freedoms infringed upon. Doing nothing, ensures nothing! That much is clear.
22Luke36
Regular Member
+1 Free,
What good is the constitution then if it's not able to do what it was intended to do? The forefathers wrote it with the current leadership in mind, so that we would be able to retain the right to self defense in the presence of such laws; it was written to prohibit them.
What good is the constitution then if it's not able to do what it was intended to do? The forefathers wrote it with the current leadership in mind, so that we would be able to retain the right to self defense in the presence of such laws; it was written to prohibit them.
DrTodd
Michigan Moderator
You've obviously missed the point. There is a time and place to "preach to the choir"; this thread really wasn't one of them. How else can I make it any clearer?
preach to the choir and preach to the convertedFig. to make one's case primarily to one's supporters; to make one's case only to those people who are present or who are already friendly to the issues.
22Luke36
Regular Member
I was asking if the choir still believed in the church. Apparently not.
FreeInAZ
Regular Member
Well looking at if from a historical prospective: our founding father's would have expected us to be active in our governments' affairs. During the revolutionary war, roughly 1/3 of the population sided with the colonialists, roughly 1/3 with the King's men & 1/3 simply sat on their @$$es and watched. In today's society the sit on their @$$es segment is probably around 90+% if I was a betting man. No wonder our leadership don't fear their people, why should they? Instead we fear them, and continue to do: ......wait for it...........NOTHING!
22Luke36
Regular Member
Then to hell with the law. These are my rights. If you want to be free, you cannot be bound by law.
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DrTodd
Michigan Moderator
OK, so what is stopping you from doing so?
I would humbly suggest that you become aware of the law and how it has been interpreted so that you can at least put up a minimal argument if/when you find yourself in front of a judge. I would help but I'm guessing I'd be vilified for sharing information with you; I'll stay out of it. I just hope that your actions don't set the movement back even further.
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22Luke36
Regular Member
A nation full of comfortable cowards.
Raggs
Regular Member
DrTodd
Michigan Moderator
Raggs, I'm beginning to think I need to distance myself from this person. Either he is a believer that will do more harm than good by advocating violence and inciting people to do unwise things or, much more likely, he is someone connected to the anti's...maybe even Dan Gross himself... who is making those that support the 2nd amendment fit every stereotype that is out there.
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