Carrying firearms at relatives residence.

[OneForAll]

Honestly, nothing is going to happen. We all know this, so why are so many of us at each others throats. Like our fantastic government, we are fighting among ourselves which will accomplish nothing. I have thought many times of donating money (not 10$, $$$$) to further our cause, kind of like I do for so many other organisations. The main reason I haven't is because people keep bickering, and singling others out over nothing more than a disagreement. (same reason in that check box on the tax return that ask if you want to donate part of your taxes to the government, I wont) I am not paying for the fighting here, I want to pay for the movement. That and some more stars, Neil thinks that's how you get more than 1 by your screen name. Is this true?

I want to help and be a hard working member of this community, but am feeling more and more that it is a waste of my time and would be an even bigger waste of my money. I hope that this feeling passes because we all start getting along, differences and all. If no one else is willing to, well I feel that this site was a waste of my time.

*Neil's thoughts"
I have no intention of returning to this site without my original screen name return to me. Please don't turn others off from OC'ing just because you think they are me and get them banned from here.

 

[Jared]

Try reading my post again.....

I was pointing out that posters are once again claiming a "Stainless" presence in the force. The reason for my comment of losing the debate is you don't have to be right in the argument to win the debate. (just watch any presidential debate and you'll put at least this together) Obviously he got under you skin for you to take such a low blow and call him someone he is not. I know this because he(Luke) is still posting and Neil is here with me.

As far as your answer, you only answered my question once. Any other repeat of the same answer was redundant, I got it the first time. Does that mean I am going to go along with it, NO! Do I have a rent agreement, I wont say. I have taken the first step, now it is their turn. I guess it's nice to have the money where you can afford to take on the judicial system when they over step their ground.

And another thing...... I am not Neil!!! And for those of you who forgot here....

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That picture is funny. I'm convinced now.

Between Dr. Todd and I, the question was answered multiple times.

Luke is by no means under my skin. I actually think I may be communicating effectively with him because I think any misguided, angry gun owner is worth a few internet postings of my time.

Especially since he is somewhat receptive to what I was saying to him... Minus the massive cognitive dissonance.

 

[22Luke36]

You may want to recheck history. Being Christian was a Crime punishable by death during Jesus's time.

He never advocated supporting any government or the Roman Empire.... And he certainly didn't forsee the future and make an exception for a bunch of people in North America around 1776.

That picture is funny. I'm convinced now.

Between Dr. Todd and I, the question was answered multiple times.

Luke is by no means under my skin. I actually think I may be communicating effectively with him because I think any misguided, angry gun owner is worth a few internet postings of my time.

Especially since he is somewhat receptive to what I was saying to him... Minus the massive cognitive dissonance.

I DO listen to you Jared, and Doctor Todd. Some of your points I agree with, some of it I don't know how to refute, but I know what is supposed to be compared to how things are now.

 

[WalkingWolf]

I must apologize for not reading the thread further after the OP's question was answered, BUT how the heck did his question become about religion?

 

[Jared]

I must apologize for not reading the thread further after the OP's question was answered, BUT how the heck did his question become about religion?

Naturally, conversations change and evolve and I actually think it was worth my while.

What surprises me is that we MAY have disproven Godwin's Law..... So far..........

 

[22Luke36]

LMFAO nazis hahaha

 

[22Luke36]

These cops seem to agree...

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/16/colorado-revolt-55-62-sheriffs-refuse-enforce-new-/

 

[22Luke36]

Posted by me in another thread. Here again, due to its relevance.

If the courts, especially a supreme court make the decision of constitutionality, (judges are elected politicians now), then the decision can stay for decades. Much much longer if the robed politicians dont want to "hear" a case because it violates their personal beliefs.

You don't think that the forefathers saw this coming? If not, you're being inconsistent with the facts. All of our foundational documents were written with tyranny fresh in mind, some of the bodies weren't even cold yet. Why would they (without words or writing) leave the interpretation of the constitution up to a body that was electable for life? What closer thing to a king exists than a lifetime appointment to a federal judge.

The constitution was written to limit government, SCOTUS included. Any judge that has ever made a ruling contrary to the original wording or intent of the constitution has broken his/her oath, is guilty of treason, and should be dealt with as traditionally appropriate for a traitor.

 

[OneForAll]

My grandfather is being moved to an assisted living home this week. As far as MCL 750.234d, it only mentions hospitals, so I gather I can carry my firearm there. Is this true (me being able to carry), or is there another law that covers these types of establishments somewhere else?

 

[jeffrey-r]

My grandfather is being moved to an assisted living home this week.

You are free and clear, assuming they are not posted as gun-free.

 

[CT Barfly]

Do whatever mental gymnastics you wish however Dr. Todd is correct. Carrying concealed in Michigan outside of your place of business or a residence is a felony. Although you have a better chance of being struck by lightning then getting caught carrying concealed by the police at your grandparents house, it is a felony.

If you wanted to make some lease agreement that says you have that place as a residence, then that would be a damn good defense against a 750.227 charge.

Again it is a felony, this issue is not unique to Michigan, Rhode Island has the same language, Hawaii has similar language, New Jersey has similar language, Maryland has similar language.

Good luck in whatever decision you make

it is rare for the law to interfere in familial relationships in situations like this. unless the grandparents objected in some way (and notified police) there is little possibility that family member home carry would present an issue.

yes, the statute may specifically state certain fact scenarios...but a "license" to occupy/possess/use land can be broadly granted (and refused) without the need for paperwork in most instances. "that's my grandson/granddaughter and he/she can do whatever she wants here" is usually enough to beat any statute...because the grant of such license trumps any statute that prohibits unlicensed uses of land land. invitee status is also pretty darn strong. "i invited my CCW granddaughter over and she is welcome here no matter what" is pretty strong.


one thing is for sure...if there is ANY OBJECTION...the carry is prohibited.

full disclosure, i am just winging this post...i haven't done any research to back the assertions. IANYL.

 

[Evil Creamsicle]

"i invited my CCW granddaughter over and she is welcome here no matter what" is pretty strong...

Being welcome/invited/allowed somewhere is not the legal requirement. Having it be your residence/dwelling place is. So a better statement from the grandparents would be "my granddaughter is living with me for a while while... abc etc."

ETA: Only if it is true. I am not advocating lying about this, as doing so would be aiding/abetting someone committing a felony.

 

[ninjatoth]

(2) A person shall not carry a pistol concealed on or about his or her person, or, whether concealed or otherwise, in a vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business, or on other land possessed by the person, without a license to carry the pistol as provided by law and if licensed, shall not carry the pistol in a place or manner inconsistent with any restrictions upon such license.

Shouldn't this be the end of the conversation? How is a house, apartment, camper, or even a tent not you dwelling house for as long as you stay in it regardless to whether you own it or not?

 

[22Luke36]

(2) A person shall not carry a pistol concealed on or about his or her person, or, whether concealed or otherwise, in a vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business, or on other land possessed by the person, without a license to carry the pistol as provided by law and if licensed, shall not carry the pistol in a place or manner inconsistent with any restrictions upon such license.

Shouldn't this be the end of the conversation? How is a house, apartment, camper, or even a tent not you dwelling house for as long as you stay in it regardless to whether you own it or not?

Court isn't about what's right or wrong, what the constitution says, what is written into the law, or even whether what happened is really what happened. All that matters is what you can prove, and whether or not that has anything at all to do with the truth is irrelevant.

 

[OneForAll]

(2) A person shall not carry a pistol concealed on or about his or her person, or, whether concealed or otherwise, in a vehicle operated or occupied by the person, except in his or her dwelling house, place of business, or on other land possessed by the person, without a license to carry the pistol as provided by law and if licensed, shall not carry the pistol in a place or manner inconsistent with any restrictions upon such license.

Shouldn't this be the end of the conversation? How is a house, apartment, camper, or even a tent not you dwelling house for as long as you stay in it regardless to whether you own it or not?

because this is ocdo and anything can happen...