A question to be posed.

[Grapeshot]

All decisions on standard operating protocol are derived from past incidents, since as the above links show, and based on our safety the first responder. Because if we are not safe we can't help you, if we are injured we can't help you. We are trying to do a job to serve the public and their beauty and we'll being.

Beyond my background, I have had a personal experience with well versed EMTs when I had a heart attack in a restaurant a number of years ago. Neither my gun nor those of friends was an issue with them - they simply asked me to give my handgun to a friend as it would present problems at the hospital. Yes the police were there, no they didn't disarm anyone - all were very professional and efficient.

During your "time out" you might consider why you are here and if you wish to continue.

 

[PistolPackingMomma]

No, no not really.

You have a right to be an adult and decide whether or not the benefits and compensations for a particular job outweigh any associated risks and accept or decline the job based on your discretion. You don't have a "right" to just pick any job off the list, and then claim others have obligations to take actions or refrain from actions just for you to achieve some emotion or feeling of comfort while you are performing that job that you voluntarily agreed to perform.

Sounds to me like you think that because you're an EMT, society owes you something, and so if you feel better when they don't have guns around you, then dammit they ought to stay away from you with their blasted guns. Maybe, hopefully, I am wrong about this.

I suppose we should be REALLY, REALLY glad he's not a cop.

 

[WalkingWolf]

First I am new here and this is sort of a opinion/editorial post that I would like the community to weigh in on.

With ccw it is hard to panic the public if they can't see a weapon to be panicked about.

With oc, yes it is your right to carry, but if you carry and someone sees it and freaks out and is legitimately scared for their safety and call 911 (beavercreek Walmart) someone can and have been shot over it.

Now officers responding to a 911 call of a open carried weapon and a scared populace calling the police I can see more of these incidents occurring.

In today's climate I usually have to side with law enforcement on a couple of points.

As being in public safety myself (not leo) first issue and first thing we are taught is scene safety. I can state from a responder standpoint showing up for a call for a man down with no other information on the call and seeing someone on that scene with a open carry firearm I do not know if that person with the oc is the reason that the victim is down (ie: the oc person may have shot him). In that sense I would post up and stage until leo has secured the scene and has safely controlled that firearm.

Now some will disagree but I am not taking any chances with my going home at the end of my shift and now departments that are more urban are starting to issue body armor which also leads to the thoughts in your brain "they are giving me a vest wth why?" Alot of times if there is a shooting the shooter or shooters will remain close by to make sure their target is dead and stays that way by firing at ems personnel.

So IMHO ccw is a better way to go and each person with a ccw has to meet certain conditions to carry that weapon and it is not out in the open to scare the general populace. If a weapon is oc I HAVE to assume for the safety of myself and my family your intentions are hostile, I can not take the chance you are just exercising your 2a rights.

Your thoughts are welcomed and again this isn't a debate topic per se on the right to carry but the perception of the public. Look at Colorado movie theater, Sandy hook, school shooting in padducha ky in the late 1990's, columbine and general news reporting and tv and movies that dominate popular culture.

We as a society can generally only move as fast as the slowest people (and the least intelligent) if we are to move forward at all.

Yawn. Same old story, same song, and dance. Not dancing.

 

[Grapeshot]

Ladies and gentlemen, you do realize that user commonsense is on a non-voluntary leave of absence right?

He can still read (public forum), just not post for a while - final disposition will be up to him.

 

[PistolPackingMomma]

I would guess that at this point, it's less about engaging with the individual, and more about picking his termite ridden soap box apart.

He's not the only one right now reading and not commenting.

 

[Grapeshot]

I would guess that at this point, it's less about engaging with the individual, and more about picking his termite ridden soap box apart.

He's not the only one right now reading and not commenting.

True - as has been said before, it is good pratice.

Reminding everyone generally to remain aware of our public image and stay on the high road.

 

[PistolPackingMomma]

Rather than termite, I like termagant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Termagant https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/termagant

Shrews can be tamed; but I quite like the pejorative.

 

[JoeSparky]

I may have learned something from the OP here even though LG carry us off topic---- he mentioned seeing an OC'd AR15 SHOTGUN. I want to see pics of it as I've not ever seen one!

 

[color of law]

Ladies and gentlemen, you do realize that user commonsense is on a non-voluntary leave of absence right?

He can still read (public forum), just not post for a while - final disposition will be up to him.

I had to stand in the corner once.

 

[Grapeshot]

I had to stand in the corner once.

Here? I don't recall that.

 

[Grapeshot]

I may have learned something from the OP here even though LG carry us off topic---- he mentioned seeing an OC'd AR15 SHOTGUN. I want to see pics of it as I've not ever seen one!

AR15s and AK47s are the same gun......right? :lol:

 

[JoeSparky]

AR15s and AK47s are the same gun......right? [emoji38]

Coreect except for the different caliber ammo, shape and contour of the magazine, the fact that in is stamped steel and the other is machined, and one was designed and made in the US and the other was not!
Oh yeah. I got your sarcasm! LOL

 

[Grapeshot]

Coreect except for the different caliber ammo, shape and contour of the magazine, the fact that in is stamped steel and the other is machined, and one was designed and made in the US and the other was not!
Oh yeah. I got your sarcasm! LOL

They're both just really long Glocks

 

[utbagpiper]

By normalizing openly carried holstered pistols. By making OC commonplace and unremarkable. By making OC legal across the United States. By educating that the 2A right is OC, but CC is a privilege sold.

Why would anyone who supports RKBA, concede that any particular mode of peaceful carry is not entitled to the same level of constitutional protection as every other mode? Where is the logic? I have a RIGHT to carry my self-defense firearm if it can be seen, but the moment a few millimeters of fabric cover my gun I no longer have a right to carry? I have a right to carry, but no right to pull a rain coat over my firearm when a storm hits?

Such a position is no more rational than is the anti-OC position spouted by some who claim to support RKBA, but only in the form of CC.

I have a constitutionally enumerated RIGHT to carry a gun. No where in the 2nd amendment does it limit my right to bearing "visible" or "openly carried" firearms. Whether I choose to carry that gun visibly or discretely is (or at least should be) my choice and nobody else's business.

That current statute and even some court rulings are wrong on this issue is the very reason we are involved in working to improve laws and otherwise increase legal recognition for our rights. But as we speak of what our rights are (constitutional, natural), why would we suggest that we have any less right to carry a self defense firearm discretely or sheltered from the elements than we do to carry it exposed?

Charles

 

[Liberty-or-Death]

In thinking about the opening post and several since, the phrase "******* into the wind" keeps coming to mind.

 

[OC for ME]

Elimination of all prior restraint laws, re guns, is the goal. Adding new laws to make OC/CC "legal" is/should not be the goal. Reality check noted.

Political critters very very rarely repeal prior restraint laws, no glory or money in it, and too simple a solution. Also, courts hate having their rulings made obsolete due to the law they ruled on now no longer exists...this includes the federal supremes.

 

[Werz]

Oops, the story is changing. Now it's long guns. I think a rule has been violated.

I think that criticism would be better coming from someone who does not promote long gun carry at Ohio open carry events.

 

[Werz]

I may have learned something from the OP here even though LG carry us off topic---- he mentioned seeing an OC'd AR15 SHOTGUN. I want to see pics of it as I've not ever seen one!

You must not get around much ...

 

[color of law]

I think that criticism would be better coming from someone who does not promote long gun carry at Ohio open carry events.

Pictures please. I, like you, have participated in the same Ohio open carry events and I, like you, would bet you or anyone else will not have one picture of me carrying a long gun. So, if your point is association implies acceptance then my response is people that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

[Werz]

I think that criticism would be better coming from someone who does not promote long gun carry at Ohio open carry events.

Pictures please. I, like you, have participated in the same Ohio open carry events and I, like you, would bet you or anyone else will not have one picture of me carrying a long gun. So, if your point is association implies acceptance then my response is people that live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I assumed that you were on board with that. I could be wrong. Note that I will accept things that I do not promote, and I am not shy about stating that I would prefer it be otherwise.