Another Open Carry Texas success story ruins it for Washingtonians.....

Right Wing Wacko · Jul 2, 2014

Well, okay, Target.
Unfortunately, my firearm is in the same pants as my wallet, which kinda sucks, because you were convenient.
Since you asked politely, I will comply with your wishes and no longer bring any firearms *or my wallet* into Target.

(Stolen from someone else)

Alpine · Jul 2, 2014

I am sooooo tired of this absurd idea that we have to avoid exercising our rights otherwise we might "lose them."

That's the same insanity that was going on when BOHICAs were asking other gun owners not to open carry at the Capitol because the legislature might ban open carrying at the Capitol...

What's the point of even having rights if you are too afraid to use them for fear they'll be taken away?!

tombrewster421 · Jul 2, 2014

Alpine said:
I am sooooo tired of this absurd idea that we have to avoid exercising our rights otherwise we might "lose them."

That's the same insanity that was going on when BOHICAs were asking other gun owners not to open carry at the Capitol because the legislature might ban open carrying at the Capitol...

What's the point of even having rights if you are too afraid to use them for fear they'll be taken away?!

+1

DocWalker · Jul 2, 2014

EMNofSeattle said:
Walking Wolf says Target is not really asking customers not bring guns to their stores because their letter is diplomatically written. he doesn't get the concept that they say "we respectfully request" and "we will continue to abide by state law" only to be polite, it's still a ban, it's nice language, but still a ban....

Ban Definition

dictionary.search.yahoo.com
tr.v.
1.
To prohibit, especially by official decree.

The city council banned billboards on most streets.

2.
Under the former system of apartheid, to deprive (a person suspected of illegal activity) of the right of free movement and association with others.

3.
To curse.

n. noun
1.
An excommunication or condemnation by church officials.

2.
A prohibition imposed by law or official decree.

a ban on cigarette smoking on airplanes.

Respectfully asking is not a bad according to the definition of the word "ban".

Bernymac · Jul 2, 2014

Alpine said:
I am sooooo tired of this absurd idea that we have to avoid exercising our rights otherwise we might "lose them."

That's the same insanity that was going on when BOHICAs were asking other gun owners not to open carry at the Capitol because the legislature might ban open carrying at the Capitol...

What's the point of even having rights if you are too afraid to use them for fear they'll be taken away?!

Isn't the mantra of OCDO "A right unexercised, is a right lost"?

madicarus · Jul 2, 2014

Primus said:
If I respectfully requested you not to my house would keep coming until i escalated the situation?

A business open to the public and your personal residence are two completely different things. As far as requests from homeowners, I usually hear demands, not requests (dont park on the lawn, dont bring pets).

Primus said:
A request is all that should be needed.

what if they request you dress modestly, or that they request you dont wear any provocative or offensive t-shirts, or no political t-shirts, maybe request cleaner clothes? Would you abide by those requests?

Primus said:
They went so far as to male a national statement they dong want us there. So if people see us there then we look like jack a**es who refuse to abide a request.

If you dont want me to carry in your business, then say so. If all you are doing is requesting, then you really just said, "we dont care but kinda dont want you to because someone else is bothered by it but I'm not telling you that you cant". Until you tell me to leave or that I cannot carry, then I really dont have to honor your request since you're gonna take my money for my purchases anyways even after your request.

Alpine · Jul 2, 2014

Bernymac said:
Isn't the mantra of OCDO "A right unexercised, is a right lost"?

It is for the freedom-minded. There are those who confuse "pragmatism" with preemptive surrender though.

sudden valley gunner · Jul 2, 2014

So proud to know and be in acquaintance with such anti statist, liberty centric folks.

tombrewster421 said:
Any gun owner who blames the people who OC is a freaking idiot! It is no different than blaming a girl who got raped because she wore tight clothing. No different from family blaming a defender for killing some low life thug.

STOP BLAMING THE VICTIMS!!!!

If we as gun owners don't stand together and support the rights of ALL of us, we will lose this fight. We cannot stand divided. You are making MDAs job that much easier when you post stuff like this.

+1

WalkingWolf said:
If you(general) want Texans to NOT OC, so you can OC handguns, YOU are a hypocrite. If you want Texans to not OC because you CC, you are not only a hypocrite but very dumb.

+1

Dave_pro2a said:
Gunowners in WA who do not open carry way the exact same sort of thing about those who do OC.

"You guys are going to cause the state to end preemption."

"It's all your fault, for doing something that is legal yet many people don't like."

+1

()pen(arry said:
Hyperbole is the extreme exaggeration of something. You have nothing. No association between strong language and thug language. There is no hyperbole there. There is merely graceless ineptitude.

The reference to rape is a metaphor, Erik. Also not hyperbole. Whether one considers it an apt metaphor or not, it has nothing to do with your gross incompetence to make a coherent argument.

Dave_pro2a said:
Ahh, so you can't argue the facts.

What dept do you work for, I'll try to find your policy.

+1

He works in this state, and has defended the actions of these guys.

Alpine said:
I am sooooo tired of this absurd idea that we have to avoid exercising our rights otherwise we might "lose them."

That's the same insanity that was going on when BOHICAs were asking other gun owners not to open carry at the Capitol because the legislature might ban open carrying at the Capitol...

What's the point of even having rights if you are too afraid to use them for fear they'll be taken away?!

+1

Grim_Night · Jul 2, 2014

sudden valley gunner said:
He works in this state, and has defended the actions of these guys.

Love that picture. Love how the jerk in the humvee is aiming his rifle at the person taking the picture...

stealthyeliminator · Jul 2, 2014

EMNofSeattle said:
Don't blame me, I signed the Texas Secession petition when obama was reelected.....

This group will get guns banned in Cabelas by the end of next year......

so lets see, can't shop at Target, Jack in the Box, Sonic, Chipotle, there won't be anywhere left for OCers in strong civil rights states when these guys are done.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index....ores_says_firearms_arent_family-friendly.html

I really would have expected more from you.

sudden valley gunner · Jul 2, 2014

Grim_Night said:
Love that picture. Love how the jerk in the humvee is aiming his rifle at the person taking the picture...

I hate what they are doing but love the pic because it is a very graphic depiction of what the local yokels are and will do. They don't give a shite about you (pointing live weapons at innocent people) or the constitution they pretend to say they uphold.

stealthyeliminator said:
I really would have expected more from you.

Why? Statist will state.

stealthyeliminator · Jul 2, 2014

I don't know. I just thought he'd be one to not succumb to baseless conjecture, rumor and gossip, much less create more on his own. "Blame OCT" has become the new go-to response for the in-activist knee-jerking fact-neglecting opinionators. Blame OCT for the actions of others, blame OCT for events which haven't occurred, blame OCT because your ******* car didn't start this morning... Give me a break already!

Jeff Hayes · Jul 2, 2014

tombrewster421 said:
You do realize this is the most important question right. By not answering this one question that actually has everything to do with what we are discussing, you are proving my point.

Bottom line is that you are blaming a victim. No different from what happened in California with unloaded OC of handguns. They were exercising their only option to carry a handgun. Now they are forced to carry long guns as their only legal option for self defense.

Stop throwing gun owners under the bus.

+1

Jeff Hayes · Jul 2, 2014

Alpine said:
I am sooooo tired of this absurd idea that we have to avoid exercising our rights otherwise we might "lose them."

That's the same insanity that was going on when BOHICAs were asking other gun owners not to open carry at the Capitol because the legislature might ban open carrying at the Capitol...

What's the point of even having rights if you are too afraid to use them for fear they'll be taken away?!

Exactly! + 2

range rat · Jul 2, 2014

tombrewster421 said:
Any gun owner who blames the people who OC is a freaking idiot! It is no different than blaming a girl who got raped because she wore tight clothing. No different from family blaming a defender for killing some low life thug.

STOP BLAMING THE VICTIMS!!!!

If we as gun owners don't stand together and support the rights of ALL of us, we will lose this fight. We cannot stand divided. You are making MDAs job that much easier when you post stuff like this.

Ditto !!

Jeff Hayes · Jul 2, 2014

EMNofSeattle said:
what is "Thug language" is someone a thug only because of vernacular used?

graceless maybe, I'll concede that, but not inept in fact you've spent more posts harping on the example then the point made.

which is that, when someone "respectfully requests" regarding their private property, they're making a rule that's expected to be followed. which they have the right to do as proprietors.
but some people on this forum, apparently, do not seriously regard property rights because of the outer politness of the statement.

Eric every time I read one of your posts this comes to mind.

“If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”

Please go away you are on the wrong forum, please stay away from me you are not welcome where I am I can no longer accept your actions or words. Blocked as of now.

Freiheit417 · Jul 2, 2014

Dave_pro2a said:
In case you go full retard and try to blame the TX OCers for getting guns banned at Cabelas.

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/ccw-op...ed-sign-check-all-firearms-5.html#post2920801

The Cabela's here in Connecticut no longer has such signs. They did a long time ago, but was quickly replaced with language clarifying that properly holstered open/concealed firearms are allowed. However, I don't see signage there at all anymore.

I open-carry at Cabela's frequently and employees have never said a word. In fact, in a recent visit, the "greeter" just casually looked at my holstered firearm, then back up at my face and welcomed me to the store with a smile. That was it.

notalawyer · Jul 2, 2014

EMNofSeattle said:
Don't blame me, I signed the Texas Secession petition when obama was reelected.....

This group will get guns banned in Cabelas by the end of next year......

so lets see, can't shop at Target, Jack in the Box, Sonic, Chipotle, there won't be anywhere left for OCers in strong civil rights states when these guys are done.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index....ores_says_firearms_arent_family-friendly.html

I signed the Texas Secession petition when obama was reelected

That explains a lot.

EMNofSeattle · Jul 2, 2014

Alpine said:
I am sooooo tired of this absurd idea that we have to avoid exercising our rights otherwise we might "lose them."

That's the same insanity that was going on when BOHICAs were asking other gun owners not to open carry at the Capitol because the legislature might ban open carrying at the Capitol...

What's the point of even having rights if you are too afraid to use them for fear they'll be taken away?!

except this is an not issue of rights, it's an issue of bad application of "rights" resulting in other private parties exercising their rights to exclude open carriers from their property.

bad politics is resulting in private parties not wanting to do business with us. after years of no issues, we now have 5 different issues in the span of a year. re-tasking and evaluating the strategy used is needed.

stealthyeliminator · Jul 2, 2014

EMNofSeattle said:
except this is an not issue of rights, it's an issue of bad application of "rights" resulting in other private parties exercising their rights to exclude open carriers from their property.

bad politics is resulting in private parties not wanting to do business with us. after years of no issues, we now have 5 different issues in the span of a year. re-tasking and evaluating the strategy used is needed.

First of all, there is no "us"

Secondly, what strategy was used which resulted in these issues? Please don't say LGOC in Texas, since that stopped occurring in Target somewhere around 6 months ago. Perhaps you are referring to the handgun OCers in Target locations in states other than Texas that I've been seeing all the pictures of recently?

Another Open Carry Texas success story ruins it for Washingtonians.....

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