Another Open Carry Texas success story ruins it for Washingtonians.....

[Dave_pro2a]

Don't blame me, I signed the Texas Secession petition when obama was reelected.....

This group will get guns banned in Cabelas by the end of next year......

so lets see, can't shop at Target, Jack in the Box, Sonic, Chipotle, there won't be anywhere left for OCers in strong civil rights states when these guys are done.

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index....ores_says_firearms_arent_family-friendly.html

Gunowners in WA who do not open carry way the exact same sort of thing about those who do OC.

"You guys are going to cause the state to end preemption."

"It's all your fault, for doing something that is legal yet many people don't like."

 

[()pen(arry]

what do you expect them to write "keep yo gat in yo krib honkey" on their statement?

Huh? What? I'm so lost.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Huh? What? I'm so lost.

Walking Wolf says Target is not really asking customers not bring guns to their stores because their letter is diplomatically written. he doesn't get the concept that they say "we respectfully request" and "we will continue to abide by state law" only to be polite, it's still a ban, it's nice language, but still a ban....

 

[Dave_pro2a]

If I respectfully requested you not to my house would keep coming until i escalated the situation?

A request is all that should be needed.

They went so far as to male a national statement they dong want us there. So if people see us there then we look like jack a**es who refuse to abide a request.

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Is your house regularly open to the public as place of business?

Does a request carry the weight of law? Do you as an LEO 'enforce' requests?

How ya like "Dong" apples bro?

 

[()pen(arry]

Walking Wolf says Target is not really asking customers not bring guns to their stores because their letter is diplomatically written. he doesn't get the concept that they say "we respectfully request" and "we will continue to abide by state law" only to be polite, it's still a ban, it's nice language, but still a ban....

What does any of that have to do with your ham-handed attempt to channel Cypress Hill?

 

[Dave_pro2a]

Walking Wolf says Target is not really asking customers not bring guns to their stores because their letter is diplomatically written. he doesn't get the concept that they say "we respectfully request" and "we will continue to abide by state law" only to be polite, it's still a ban, it's nice language, but still a ban....

A for profit company does not want to alienate either group of potential customers, so they refuse to take an actual stand.

Failing to take an actual stand, makes their press release meaningless. Both sides will claim it means exactly what they want it to mean.

Anti-gunners: Target bans guns, we win.
Pro-gunners: Target refuses to ban guns, we win.
Target: both groups keep shopping here, we win!

That dar is big business at work

 

[WalkingWolf]

Is your house regularly open to the public as place of business?

Does a request carry the weight of law? Do you as an LEO 'enforce' requests?

How ya like "Dong" apples bro?

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If I get a request from a LEO I tell them to place that request where the sun does not shine.

A request is nothing more than a request. Ignoring it may be considered bad manners but NOT a violation of law.

 

[Dave_pro2a]

What does any of that have to do with your ham-handed attempt to [strike]channel Cypress Hill[/strike] argue like an adult?

Fixed that for you.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Gunowners in WA who do not open carry way the exact same sort of thing about those who do OC.

"You guys are going to cause the state to end preemption."

"It's all your fault, for doing something that is legal yet many people don't like."

the difference is, we've not ended preemption, we've portrayed ourselves nicely on the media, and been relatively successful in ending anti gun legislation.

the Texans have resulted in multiple corporate bans, and they keep attempting the same strategy expecting a different result. part of normalizing carry is the idea that people who carry are regular people, who are not a threat. the majority of people outside of a few circles who see the people of OCT feel threatened and intimidated by the long gun display. that's not a good strategy.

 

[tombrewster421]

sometimes people need to be severed from a wider movement. I didn't advocate making long gun OC illega, I stated a fact, that we can no longer open carry in at least 5 different chains, these announcements come after seeing pictures of people carrying tactical rifles on front slings into these businesses.

this after years of people in other states open carrying and no problem, and in the span of 6 months we've lost 5 chains to Moms Demand Action. the assault rifle play is not working. they need to funnel their resources into more productive means.

They've accomplished what MDA could never dream of.


we have a problem, an identifiable cause, and an easy solution.

You're still blaming the victim for a decision that they had no part in making. The Texas legislature and demanding moms are the cause of this. In case you didn't notice, Texans have no other choice when it comes to OC.

Is a rape victim to blame if they wear short skirts and show cleavage?

Are gun owners to blame for Sandy Hook?

Is a person exercising their rights to blame for a tyrannical government?

Answer those questions seriously and tell me you're not being a hypocrite.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

What does any of that have to do with your ham-handed attempt to channel Cypress Hill?

everything. WW isn't convinced because the language isn't strong enough, what do they have to write to convince him they're actually asking people not carry guns in the store....

 

[2AFriendly]

The Cabela's signage is for handling your weapons while in the store, not the ones in your holster for self defense.


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That's my understanding too. I have never been bothered while OCing in there.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Walking Wolf says Target is not really asking customers not bring guns to their stores because their letter is diplomatically written. he doesn't get the concept that they say "we respectfully request" and "we will continue to abide by state law" only to be polite, it's still a ban, it's nice language, but still a ban....

I respectfully request that you NOT put words in my mouth for me. If you want to quote me, then quote me, if you don't then do not twist my posts by making up what I said. If you do not honor my request then I will report you and demand you stop twisting posts.

 

[Dave_pro2a]

everything. WW isn't convinced because the language isn't strong enough, what do they have to write to convince him they're actually asking people not carry guns in the store....

"Firearms are no longer permitted on properties owner or operated by Target Inc, regardless of state laws on carrying firearms. Violators will be issued a no-trespass order."

 

[Dave_pro2a]

That's my understanding too. I have never been bothered while OCing in there.

The sign says what it says. The policy may be something different, but if that's the case then the sign is (perhaps) intentionally misleading.

If you saw a "no firearms allowed" at the front door of a police department, with no reference to 'within secure areas of the jail,' should we all be ok with that misleading signage?

 

[DocWalker]

Seriously? You didn't know Target was anti-gun all this time? You had to wait until they made it official to stop shopping there?

They aren't BECOMING anti-gun over this. They are finally being forced to announce their side.

Actually if you read the article and the specifics they didn't us the word "BAN" they said they would "respectfully ask" which doesn't actually ban them. Not that I would ever shop at Target again myself. Technically all they can do is ask you to leave just like any other store that hasn't said anything so there technically isn't a BAN.

 

[DocWalker]

"Firearms are no longer permitted on properties owner or operated by Target Inc, regardless of state laws on carrying firearms. Violators will be issued a no-trespass order."

All they can do is ask you to leave....

 

[EMNofSeattle]

You're still blaming the victim for a decision that they had no part in making. The Texas legislature and demanding moms are the cause of this. In case you didn't notice, Texans have no other choice when it comes to OC.

So work on changing that! by using political capital and the legislative process! that's what they're doing on the side and that's working! and start coming up with some standards for how to conduct themselves. stop having someone who's out of his mind representing the group while carrying a rifle front slung on his body.

Is a rape victim to blame if they wear short skirts and show cleavage?

this is kind of my point, you have a right to make this comparison, but anyone who doesn't know you and reads this will think you're an a$$hole comparing people who were carrying rifles and then getting asked not to go to a store with a woman who was forcibly penetrated against her will.....

answer, no, rape is always wrong, long gun open carry is technically right until you get told not to do it on someone else's property

Are gun owners to blame for Sandy Hook?

No

Is a person exercising their rights to blame for a tyrannical government?

not generally.

Answer those questions seriously and tell me you're not being a hypocrite.

I am not being a hypocrite. I've never disputed their RIGHT to do so, or called for laws restricting them, I question the wisdom of what they're doing while expressing concern for it effects others as an externality.

 

[DocWalker]

"Firearms are no longer permitted on properties owner or operated by Target Inc, regardless of state laws on carrying firearms. Violators will be issued a no-trespass order."

Please cite the location of this. All I can find is "respectfully request" from target.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Please cite the location of this. All I can find is "respectfully request" from target.

he wrote that as part of a subdebate on the meaning of their statement, it's not the actual language in the presser.