I agree he was completely justified in his actions when confronted with 2 attackers, esp. since they'd already done him violence.
BUT...
Why was he out of his car?
a) it's chilly - wait in the car with the heater on, on the phone with 911, 'til the cops show up
b) didn't he see them following him?
Another case of the frist one to call police maybe.
if he had a vaild restaining order out against him most likely he shouldn't have had a firearm to begain with.
A lot of people can have the same name as some one on WCCAP dob and other info might be need to know who is who.
Might be a very good case of defensive display compared to always shoot when you pull a weapon. Some states defensive display is illegal but not in Wis.
Unless Wisconsin has a law to the contrary, having a simple restraining order against you does not remove your RKBA. The only orders that can affect your RKBA are Domestic Violence Orders and they are handled very poorly and with only one party in mind.
Anyone can get a restraining order on anyone else, and a judge will grant them because they can. There is no burden of proof or reasonable doubt in the process. `Just because he has a possible restraining order does NOT make him a bad person. Someone could have got it because he carried a gun and they were scared because he did so -- you just never know nor can we judge him for it.
As for the TRAFFIC CITATIONS, they should be irrelevant in this story. A week after I received my DL I was given a ticket for Wreckless Driving and Improper Start. If I were to be judged as some are trying to judge this man, then they would say the same thing about me. What was I doing to get these citations? Racing my Camaro. I was NOT being violent or doing anything that I believe was wrong (I was on a empty street with only one other car that I was racing, and no one in sight).
We need the facts before we attempt to judge someone (which we shouldn't do anyways), and for all we know this guy could be the nicest guy in the world and has bad luck or has been dealt a shi**y hand.
[Minivan guy] has admitted to battery on [armed man], opening the car & grabbing him.I get out I open up his door, I grabbed his belt and I'm trying to pull him out of his vehicle before he can reach his firearm," said [minivan guy].
[Minivan guy] said [armed man] was the instigator, so he started hitting back in order to protect his family.
So [armed man] supposedly had his gun under his seat & unloaded?minivan guy said:He not only pointed it, he cocked his gun, made sure there was a bullet in the chamber and pointed it at us
But didn't it originally say he held both of them at gunpoint?[Armed man] added [minivan passenger] came toward him and said, "What are you going to do? Shoot me?"
"I picked the gun up and I raised it and I pointed it at her and then she started to walk away after that and I lowered the gun and put it down at my side, put the safe on and a minute later or so the police arrived"
Neither one says the gun came out on the freeway, only once they got to the parking lot.minivan guy said:the guy stopped short on us twice. I do agree we could have handled the situation a little bit better, but I was protecting my children from a crazed man with a gun
Following some one into a parking lot and confronting them about their driveing is not protecting your children.
It is being really stuip.
http://www.doj.state.wi.us/cvs/Victims_Rights/restraining_orders.asp
Guns
A restraining order can order that your abuser cannot have guns. For Domestic Abuse and Child Abuse restraining orders, the court will automatically make an order that says the abuser cannot own/possess a gun. For others orders, it is up to the court to decide about this issue.
There can be some specific exceptions made if the restraining order is against a police officer or member of the military to allow them to carry their duty gun only when working.
I love the last part...
You can lose your 2nd amendments rights for a lot of things.
Every day your rights are denied without court action.
Every time you have to leave your weapon because of a no guns allowed sign. Or your not allowed to shop,visit,have lunch, ride public transit.
Your not even allowed in back of the bus,your not even allowed in the store let alone sitting at the counter.