Virginia permit now accepted in Nevada!

[solus]

now who is grasping at straws and being insulting?

I carry because I'm a great shot. If I couldn't shoot well I'd be too nervous to carry.

But you let me know if you ever want to take your shot at besting me.

Maybe some of you wise old timers with great theory and application would like to put that to the test at a range?

no insult but apparently fact since you failed to state: "oh no my partner went to so and so for instruction and just can get a grasp on the concepts..."

especially since as expressed above, your ego wouldn't even consider let alone, let your partner go to someone else for instruction cuz you are such a hot shot.

ipse

 

[Jim675]

Please don't fall for the anti-gunners' line about training.

Many states, including WA, require no training to OC - since forever.
Many states, including WA, require no practical skill to do permitted CC.

Not one single state is awash in the rivers of blood that the training afficianados are sure will result if just anyone can carry a gun.

On target is great - the permit does not help that in any way whatsoever.

 

[Firearms Iinstuctor]

I am firm believer in both that one should not have to have a permit to own, carry or possess arms.

I also believe that one should train with those arms.

But time and time again we see people who haven't train have not shot a gun in many years be successful in defending themselves.

The video that was posted just confirms what I said for decades 90 percent of all firearm users no matter if government train or civilian. Really don't care much about shooting their guns or learning how to use them better.

Of the last 10 percent 7 of them care a bit more and are decent shots and work at it a little bit harder.

The top 3 percent are gun people who can shoot with the best and live breath and shoot guns all the time who train hard and learn the craft of firearms.

I have seen thousands of people shoot. I trained many both government and civilians it doesn't take more then a minute or two talking with them or on the range to determine who falls into what percentile.

Their is hope for the 97 percentile to improve and move into the top 3 percent but it take time money and dedication.

Again one does not or should not need ay training to own process arms to defends ones self. But it is a good idea as with any thing one does to become better at it.

 

[JoeSparky]

I'm insulting members because members seem to think anyone who wants to carry a gun should be allowed to regardless of training or skill. And that's just silly. It's a ridiculous concept to test and license to drive but not to carry a gun.

You are entitled to your own opinion and I welcome you limiting and imposing your standards on who should carry ect on yourself and those in your household. As for the rest of us as long as we have the 2nd ammendment to the US Constitution you are not going to get your way so deal with it until you do change the constitution to met your particular fantasy standard!

 

[Wolf_shadow]

You are entitled to your own opinion and I welcome you limiting and imposing your standards on who should carry ect on yourself and those in your household. As for the rest of us as long as we have the 2nd ammendment to the US Constitution you are not going to get your way so deal with it until you do change the constitution to met your particular fantasy standard!

+100

 

[Marco]

**** it, reading comprehension just isn't your strong suit man.

I can't keep going in circles with you. I say the same thing over and over and you just don't grasp it. She shouldn't carry because she's a crappy shooter. She needs training and getting a permit should require lots of training. Everyone should not be allowed to just pick up a gun and carry it. The permit process should exist to regulate training and skill, just like the licensing for driving.

Emphasis mine^

In the spirit of friendliness how can I/we help you get your wife to a place were she/you are comfortable with her carrying? Does she want to carry for her own PD?

I have helped numerous novice shooters become proficient with a firearm with simple drills and have two CO2 powered bb guns that I'm willing to lend so she can practice, sight alignment, trigger control etc .. at home at her leisure.


If you don't wish my assistance.
Proshooter (Jim Reynolds) teaches an excellent class. (no dog in that fight)
My wife (who is a good shooter) took it with a friend (how is a novice) and both felt they learned and benefited from his class.


pm or in thread communication is fine

 

[solus]

Emphasis mine^

In the spirit of friendliness how can I/we help you get your wife to a place were she/you are comfortable with her carrying? Does she want to carry for her own PD?
I have helped numerous novice shooters become proficient with a firearm with simple drills and have two CO2 powered bb guns that I'm willing to lend so she can practice, sight alignment, trigger control etc .. at home at her leisure.

If you don't wish my assistance.
Proshooter (Jim Reynolds) teaches an excellent class. (no dog in that fight)
My wife (who is a good shooter) took it with a friend (how is a novice) and both felt they learned and benefited from his class.

pm or in thread communication is fine

uh, er, marco, you do know the member is banned at the moment so PM or thread communication might be a bit rough for them to send at the moment.

sidebar: surely you don't believe, after their tirade on how good they are and the open challenge to prove it, this member's ego would let an outsider teach his kin how to handle a firearm do you? projecting a bit, any technique brought home would be severely criticized beyond belief to the point the instructor's credibility & guidance would be discredited as worthless. especially if their partner took to gun handling and out shot the member.

ipse

ipse

 

[Marco]

I didn't notice the banned status. While the attacks were against the rules, I suffered no injury and hope the mods will reconsider. (Barring no other rules violations)

Edit- apparently insults is the norm for the banned member


I was just trying to be my normal self, offering a hand in friendship. I have faith in the good in most folks.
My ego (and rep) is secure to handle false claims by others.

 

[solus]

snip..

While the attacks were against the rules, snip...

marco, like all things in life, one must have accountability and then be held to the norms established.

ipse

 

[solus]

He's banned?! Already?!! I didn't get the memo. I said that I was finished with him, but that doesn't mean that the rest of you have to stop playing with him, too. I don't see anything in this thread about being "banned", but I guess it could have been delivered by some other method; maybe that's why I missed it, super secret ban. Everyone brings joy to OCDO, some by joining, others by leaving. Life goes on and we still have plenty of sources for our entertainment.

might look under his name on any of his posts...

ipse

 

[The Truth]

Wow...I missed a lot in the past day and a half.

Cognitive dissonance is quite perturbing. Can't fix stupid, I guess.

 

[Grapeshot]

The ban is temporary (hopefully) - a time for reflection and a better understanding of the rules here.

 

[davidmcbeth]

Please don't fall for the anti-gunners' line about training.

Many states, including WA, require no training to OC - since forever.
Many states, including WA, require no practical skill to do permitted CC.

Not one single state is awash in the rivers of blood that the training afficianados are sure will result if just anyone can carry a gun.

On target is great - the permit does not help that in any way whatsoever.

Our RKBA cannot be regulated by a need to get "training".. gold star for Jim !

Also, even in commie-land CT, going through safety training is not mandated.

 

[davidmcbeth]

I'm insulting members because members seem to think anyone who wants to carry a gun should be allowed to regardless of training or skill. And that's just silly. It's a ridiculous concept to test and license to drive but not to carry a gun.

I'm not insulted, although you seem to be trying to -- feeling insulted is a state of mind .

RKBA ... no training.

Buy, borrow, or make gun; carry gun.

The only prerequisite for carrying is gun is to have one first.

Any freeman can OC.

I'm more worried about being mowed down by a licensed driver than I am concerned about being shot by an unlicensed carrier.

 

[solus]

I'm not insulted, although you seem to be trying to -- feeling insulted is a state of mind .

RKBA ... no training.

Buy, borrow, or make gun; carry gun.

The only prerequisite for carrying is gun is to have one first.

Any freeman can OC.

I'm more worried about being mowed down by a licensed driver than I am concerned about being shot by an unlicensed carrier.

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1918 H1N1 influenza virus pandemic comes to mind...

ipse

 

[BB62]

...Everyone brings joy to OCDO, some by joining, others by leaving. ...

And still others by being "banned" intermittently!

 

[wrearick]

He doesn't need you to make his case for him, especially a short sighted one.

Seems abs right to me. Driving isn't a right because it didn't exist. There are inherent dangers and risks involved with driving so one must pass several tests. I feel those same things should exist with firearms.

It's pathetic that someone who has never touched a firearm can go buy one and just legally open carry it. Even though they don't know how to take it apart, clear a jam, aim properly, or keep their finger off the trigger. Not to mention mental illness, bad eyesight, seizure disorder, or numerous other issues people might have that should prevent them from carrying. So yeah, I'm in favor of a permitting process.


It's fairly ridiculous someone with zero training could be spraying a supermarket because he can't control a gun enough to hit a bad guy.

emphasis mine.....so...would you also agree that -
It's pathetic that someone who has never touched a chainsaw can go buy one and be allowed to use it even though they don't know how to adjust chain tension, clear a jam, cut properly, or where they can legally cut trees with it? Not to mention mental illness, bad eyesight, seizure disorder, or numerous other issues people might have that should prevent them from using a chain saw.

restate again with nail gun, circular was, band saw, pressure washer, lawn mower, tiller, propane torch, propane grill, any number of other "dangerous" tools that are found in life. there are classes available on how to use these tools and much can be learned from reading the manual but most would agree that it is "fairly ridiculous" for someone with zero training or knowledge of the tool to be able to purchase and use one of these dangerous tools.

Edit: Darn, I missed the Banned status too....oh well, it probably would have fallen on deaf ears anyway.......no worse than falling on missing ears.

 

[davidmcbeth]

Even better! We, potentially, have the opportunity to enjoy him leaving many times over, as we have had with davidmcbeth.

Another DM fan club meeting I see ... I hope you brought snacks this time !