Virginia permit now accepted in Nevada!

[mkatzpp]

Emphasis mine^^^


NV is a permit less open carry state, and this is an open carry forum.
FYI, prior to this law change you could have legally carried in NV.

Open carry state, agreed.

Open carry forum, agreed.

However anything increasing Virginians gun rights should be shared.

 

[Marco]

No, you dismount your God damn horse.

This wasn't about the Virginia permitting system, it was about requiring permits in general for a God given right.

To which my response is (if you learned how to comprehend), permits should be required because, in general, carrying a firearm is a huge responsibility, akin to driving a car.

Taking the Lord's name in vain and profanity.:shocker:

Please reread note above about LE missing at same rate of untrained. Numerous states have gone to a permit less system with no ill effects.

So, please tell me how a piece of paper improves the character, shooting ability, knowledge of the law of the person carrying?

Please tell me you attend this match [video=youtube;09hAtJwQ9Sw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09hAtJwQ9Sw[/video]


If, so you and all the CHP holders that attended along with the CHP instructors lost to a Open carrier that doesn't have a CHP, and happened to be the only person shooting a magnum caliber and shoot the match clean.

 

[mkatzpp]

Taking the Lord's name in vain and profanity.:shocker:

Please reread note above about LE missing at same rate of untrained. Numerous states have gone to a permit less system with no ill effects.

So, please tell me how a piece of paper improves the character, shooting ability, knowledge of the law of the person carrying?

Please tell me you attend this match [video=youtube;09hAtJwQ9Sw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09hAtJwQ9Sw[/video]


If, so you and all the CHP holders that attended along with the CHP instructors lost to a Open carrier that doesn't have a CHP, and happened to be the only person shooting a magnum caliber and shoot the match clean.

Omfg, so you found an OCer who could outshoot someone? And that's your argument? I'm sure there are close to legally blind people who could outshoot fully sighted people as well.

Awful logic on your part.

Let's try this again: carrying a gun is a huge responsibility, therefore I believe in permits so people could and should be held to a higher standard before carrying (open or confessed).

 

[mkatzpp]

My wife can shoot (horribly though), couldn't clear a jam, or do anything positive with a gun. Do you want this type of person whipping it out at a mall?


Keep in mind the two shots dead center are me sighting it in:

https://vimeo.com/166241748

 

[mkatzpp]

I get how we all want the "right" but at some point you have to look beyond the 2% of us that carries and consider how awful the other 98% of gun owners are at actually shooting.

 

[Marco]

Omfg, so you found an OCer who could outshoot someone? And that's your argument? I'm sure there are close to legally blind people who could outshoot fully sighted people as well.

Awful logic on your part.

Let's try this again: carrying a gun is a huge responsibility, therefore I believe in permits so people could and should be held to a higher standard before carrying (open or confessed).

Lol, someone.. 70 chp'ers and at least 8 chp instructors and LEO's. Heck, probably the guy that you took your chp course from.
So, please tell me how a piece of paper improves the character, shooting ability, knowledge of the law of the person carrying?

Please reread note above about LE missing at same rate of untrained. Numerous states have gone to a permit less system with no ill effects.
Your argument has no merit. It's akin to the anti's screaming there will be blood in the streets if we allow unlicensed carry.

 

[mkatzpp]

Lol, someone.. 70 chp'ers and at least 8 chp instructors and LEO's. Heck, probably the guy that you took your chp course from.
So, please tell me how a piece of paper improves the character, shooting ability, knowledge of the law of the person carrying?

Please reread note above about LE missing at same rate of untrained. Numerous states have gone to a permit less system with no ill effects.
Your argument has no merit. It's akin to the anti's screaming there will be blood in the streets if we allow unlicensed carry.

It's painful you using this one guy who can outshoot a ton of people as the basis for your argument. It's completely irrelevant.


I can find high school girls basketball players who can out play 99% of the population but that doesn't mean I can randomly pick 5 girls off the street and make a competitive basketball team. It requires discipline, skill and training.

Your logic is this guy who doesn't have a permit can shoot great, and that's just wonderful, so clearly so can everyone else right? No, it requires discipline, skill, and training. Which is what I'm for. Prove you have the skills and knowledge to carry.

 

[mkatzpp]

Lol, someone.. 70 chp'ers and at least 8 chp instructors and LEO's. Heck, probably the guy that you took your chp course from.
So, please tell me how a piece of paper improves the character, shooting ability, knowledge of the law of the person carrying?

Please reread note above about LE missing at same rate of untrained. Numerous states have gone to a permit less system with no ill effects.
Your argument has no merit. It's akin to the anti's screaming there will be blood in the streets if we allow unlicensed carry.

What's annoying is, you're actually making my point for me. This guy put in the time and effort to get great. Yet for some reason you don't want everyone who carries to be "that great. "

You think anyone with 0 skill or training should be able to carry...

 

[Marco]

What's annoying is, you're actually making my point for me. This guy put in the time and effort to get great. Yet for some reason you don't want everyone who carries to be "that great. "

You think anyone with 0 skill or training should be able to carry...

I'll gladly continue this debate, but please answer the question presented.
How a piece of paper improves the character, shooting ability, knowledge of the law of the person carrying?

VA standards(no gun handling required, no law required) are sub par compared to NV.

Nope!
I think everyone should strive to be the best they can be.
I have no fantasies of chp'ers being better than non chp'ers. Every gun owner/carrier should encourage others to seek out the best training and to train often but it shouldn't be Government mandated.


He/she did it cause they cared and are responsible not cause they have a permit.
You seem to think having a permit and the required training instills knowledge and shooting ability, it doesn't.

The character of the carrier determines that not what paper he/she carries in their wallet.



Nevadan's should shutter at the thought of the avg VA CHP holder carrying in their fine state under your thinking as NV requires firearm qualification, VA doesn't.
Thus you and others aren't good enough to cc in their fine state.

 

[mkatzpp]

The character of the carrier determines that not what paper he/she carries in their wallet.

You win the internet today for dumbest comment!

My wife is of great character, I guess she should def carry because even though she can't shoot for **** when the time comes the strength of her character will help guide her lack of skills.

 

[Grapeshot]

You win the internet today for dumbest comment!

My wife is of great character, I guess she should def carry because even though she can't shoot for **** when the time comes the strength of her character will help guide her lack of skills.

You insult the wrong person. Marco could have you for breakfast re both theory and practical application.

The typical defensive shooting occurs at extremely close range and frequently under 3 seconds. It doesn't really take any great expertise to make effective shots.....but one must first have a gun.

 

[Marco]

You win the internet today for dumbest comment!

My wife is of great character, I guess she should def carry because even though she can't shoot for **** when the time comes the strength of her character will help guide her lack of skills.

Wrong again.. you are on a roll..

And you seem to feel she shouldn't carry at all if she doesn't have a permit. And if she does, it does what to improve her shooting abilties? You already stated she sucks at shooting?

You seems to equate licensed as trained and able and unlicensed as untrained and dangerous.
Which is incorrect and with many states going to unlicensed carry it's being proven more so each day.

If she was of such good character she would seek out training/knowledge on her own (not gov't mandated) and improve and only carry once she was comfortable with her level of skill, oc or cc. Hence being responsible.

 

[solus]

No, you dismount your *** **** horse.

This wasn't about the Virginia permitting system, it was about requiring permits in general for a God given right.

To which my response is (if you learned how to comprehend), permits should be required because, in general, carrying a firearm is a huge responsibility, akin to driving a car.

uh, could i know who's deity has provided that right?

and now you are insulting members cuz you are being challenged?

ya this shouldn't take long!!

ipse

 

[mkatzpp]

Wrong again.. you are on a roll..

And you seem to feel she shouldn't carry at all if she doesn't have a permit. And if she does, it does what to improve her shooting abilties? You already stated she sucks at shooting?

You seems to equate licensed as trained and able and unlicensed as untrained and dangerous.
Which is incorrect and with many states going to unlicensed carry it's being proven more so each day.

If she was of such good character she would seek out training/knowledge on her own (not gov't mandated) and improve and only carry once she was comfortable with her level of skill, oc or cc. Hence being responsible.

**** it, reading comprehension just isn't your strong suit man.

I can't keep going in circles with you. I say the same thing over and over and you just don't grasp it. She shouldn't carry because she's a crappy shooter. She needs training and getting a permit should require lots of training. Everyone should not be allowed to just pick up a gun and carry it. The permit process should exist to regulate training and skill, just like the licensing for driving.

 

[mkatzpp]

uh, could i know who's deity has provided that right?

and now you are insulting members cuz you are being challenged?

ya this shouldn't take long!!

ipse

I'm insulting members because members seem to think anyone who wants to carry a gun should be allowed to regardless of training or skill. And that's just silly. It's a ridiculous concept to test and license to drive but not to carry a gun.

 

[solus]

Wrong again.. you are on a roll..

And you seem to feel she shouldn't carry at all if she doesn't have a permit. And if she does, it does what to improve her shooting abilties? You already stated she sucks at shooting?

You seems to equate licensed as trained and able and unlicensed as untrained and dangerous.
Which is incorrect and with many states going to unlicensed carry it's being proven more so each day.

If she was of such good character she would seek out training/knowledge on her own (not gov't mandated) and improve and only carry once she was comfortable with her level of skill, oc or cc. Hence being responsible.

uh, marco, i wonder if her husband was her instructor which is why she does so poorly?

just saying

ipse

 

[solus]

I'm insulting members because members seem to think anyone who wants to carry a gun should be allowed to regardless of training or skill. And that's just silly. It's a ridiculous concept to test and license to drive but not to carry a gun.

humm...that validates you demeaning someone cuz you fail to appreciate their opinion or they yours...

ya shouldn't take long at all...

ipse

added...oh and you have failed to respond to my query...who's deity is providing the right?

 

[mkatzpp]

uh, marco, i wonder if her husband was her instructor which is why she does so poorly?

just saying

ipse

now who is grasping at straws and being insulting?

I carry because I'm a great shot. If I couldn't shoot well I'd be too nervous to carry.

But you let me know if you ever want to take your shot at besting me.

Maybe some of you wise old timers with great theory and application would like to put that to the test at a range?

 

[Marco]

**** it, reading comprehension just isn't your strong suit man.

I can't keep going in circles with you. I say the same thing over and over and you just don't grasp it. She shouldn't carry because she's a crappy shooter. She needs training and getting a permit should require lots of training. Everyone should not be allowed to just pick up a gun and carry it. The permit process should exist to regulate training and skill, just like the licensing for driving.

Why, cause there's no horrible licensed drivers out their?

“My officers get a hundred hours of firearms training in the academy and quarterly qualifications thereafter, but are hitting at the same rate as felons with no formal training? We should save all the ammunition, because our training program seems to be worthless!”
https://www.policeone.com/police-pro...ng-for-police/


Hint mandated training^^^^.

So, NV should not allow VA Chp'ers to conceal in NV cause they haven't proven they are proficient with their firearm?

Responsible folks seek to improve cause they have the desire to not cause it's gov't mandated.
I would never wish more government on anyone, as the government proves time and time again to be the one that is lacking.


But this debate has run it's course and all you have insults, and the nanny state mind can't grasp facts.
You have nothing fact based.
The states that allow untrained/unlicensed folks to carry are growing. Because there is no problem except that some chp'ers like to feel superior cause they took a course and got licensed.

 

[solus]

now who is grasping at straws and being insulting?

I carry because I'm a great shot. If I couldn't shoot well I'd be too nervous to carry.

But you let me know if you ever want to take your shot at besting me.

nope not long...

better hurry though as i'm bout out of BSA Caramel corn mix...

ipse