South Sound OC Report........

[Vitaeus]

Please cite the requirement to use a form 4473 outside the federal "states" and within the normal 50 states.

http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t17t20+541+0++() AND

I have no idea what "distinction" you are trying to draw, but the above Federal regulation seems to cover both the requirements, including following local State laws and that the licensee has to use a form (4473) or electronic equivalent to document the attempt to purchase a firearm from the licensee. Feel free to start an off topic thread for any further discussion of "States" or the "National requirements" to purchase firearms from licensed dealers. Your mileage may vary...

 

[Freedom1Man]

http://uscode.house.gov/uscode-cgi/fastweb.exe?getdoc+uscview+t17t20+541+0++() AND

I have no idea what "distinction" you are trying to draw, but the above Federal regulation seems to cover both the requirements, including following local State laws and that the licensee has to use a form (4473) or electronic equivalent to document the attempt to purchase a firearm from the licensee. Feel free to start an off topic thread for any further discussion of "States" or the "National requirements" to purchase firearms from licensed dealers. Your mileage may vary...

18 USC §10:
The term ''interstate commerce'', as used in this title, includes commerce between one State, Territory, Possession, or the District of Columbia and another State, Territory, Possession, or the District of Columbia. The term ''foreign commerce'', as used in this title, includes commerce with a foreign country.

18 USC §921(2)
The term ''interstate or foreign commerce'' includes commerce between any place in a State and any place outside of that State, or within any possession of the United States (not including the Canal Zone) or the District of Columbia, but such term does not include commerce between places within the same State but through any place outside of that State. The term ''State'' includes the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and the possessions of the United States (not including the Canal Zone).

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title18/html/USCODE-2011-title18-partI-chap1-sec7.htm

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCODE-2011-title18/html/USCODE-2011-title18-partI-chap1-sec13.htm

Trying to keep the citations short.

Or you can click HERE and get a clear explanation as to what is going on.

Nothing identifies the authority for the 4473 to be used within "the 50 state."

If congress had meant for it to apply with in "the 50 states" then congress would have stated such as they did HERE.
"(4) United States
(A) In general

The term “United States” means the 50 States, ..."


Since it is not clearly spelled out in the federal firearms act then it does not apply within "the 50 states."

 

[Freedom1Man]

well why don't you cite your claim of "50 states" didn't you make a big stink last year over Washington never having been duly ratified as a state? so by your idea there can't be more then 49 states. please cite this.

Visit the library of congress this is not the best recorded version but it's the closed to the one found in the library of congress and the only one that congress approved to make Washington a state.
http://www.freedomforallseasons.org...terial/Washington State 1878 Constitution.pdf

It's either not a state or there are 2 states an organic state and a corporate state.

 

[OlGutshotWilly]

I rather liked the wording of Article 5 section 19 of the 1878 version, basically mandating open carry of firearms in the State. It is unfortunate that wording did not carry over to the current Article 1 section 24 of the Constitution of 1889.

 

[Schlepnier]

Its funny and yet positive that almost no post OC in western Washington (or the rest of the state for that matter) has anything in it other than "no issues" perhaps we should rename this topic the "nothing happened today" thread.

OC in Yelm yesterday, nothing happened...moving along

 

[Ajetpilot]

And, I think that is the whole point of this and other similar threads. People come to this site for a look-see, and discover in these threads that many people are carrying openly without any problems all over the state. Maybe it will encourage them to join us in the future.

 

[gogodawgs]

And, I think that is the whole point of this and other similar threads. People come to this site for a look-see, and discover in these threads that many people are carrying openly without any problems all over the state. Maybe it will encourage them to join us in the future.

Exactly. There are a lot of lurkers that never join but read about OC. this thread was an idea I took from the Virginia threads and is very useful in that regard.

 

[Cbenjamin]

I open carried around lake fair yesterday without any issues. Got a comment from one guy that was there that said it was nice to see someone open carrying. Still new to open carry and was nervous with all the Oly PD and State Patrol there but none of them said anything.

 

[Ajetpilot]

Nicely done, Cbenjamin. Like anything else, the more you OC, the more natural it becomes.

 

[O_Kellogg]

Really?! Another Yelm guy?!

Welcome aboard!! :banana:

...Still new to open carry and was nervous with all the Oly PD and State Patrol there...

Yeah, I can see that - I was nervous at first too. My first couple visits to Walmart I thought somebody made a MWG call. On the first, I was waiting in line when I saw a Sheriff's Deputy come in and go straight to Customer Service. Imagine my surprise when he didn't even notice me - he was a customer...looking for service...
Second time, I saw 2 YP's headed towards the back, stop to talk to an employee, and I could have sworn that they were going to come get me... Never saw them after that...

Once I got used to it, I got tired of not being noticed...

Now, very much like Schlepnier, I OC'ed in Yelm yesterday, nothing happened..."
OC'ed in Yelm and Oly and Lacey today, nothing happened...moving along
Keep calm, Carry on.

Anyway, guys, I was thinking the regular South Sound meet-ups are either "way-North" or "way-East", so how 'bout if some of us grab breakfast in Yelm? Unless there is something I don't know about Mr. Doug's or The Bunkhouse, either one of those work for me. Sometime between 7:30 and 9am? Pick a day of the week...

OK.

 

[Cbenjamin]

Yup, another Yelm guy. Seems like the people out here are pretty comfortable with OC. The only individual who was uncomfortable seemed to be the Ice Cream truck when we got the kids some ice cream, he asked me if it was "a real shooter on my hip" and if it was legal, educated him a little and that was that.

A weekend breakfast meet up in the yelm area sounds good to me. Never been to the bunkhouse for breakfast or while OC not sure if they have a problem with it.

 

[TechnoWeenie]

I swear, some of you people like to female dog about everything even if there is no issue.

gun dealers in Washington ALWAYS have to obey federal law REGARDLESS of what state law says END OF STORY

so this problem about trusting the feds is disingenous. A uniform national stardard is the NICS and 4473 for all dealer sales, there will be no constitutional issue with this in Washington.

in the end both initiatives will probably be thrown out since both cover more then one subject.....

The real problem is that 594 will make it to ballot because people opposed the initiative reform measures several years ago to protect Tim Eyeman, if those reforms had gone through using paid gatherers would be illegal and 594 would not be coming to ballot.

...and some people openly carry a water gun to an O.C. rally..

 

[tombrewster421]

Yup, another Yelm guy. Seems like the people out here are pretty comfortable with OC. The only individual who was uncomfortable seemed to be the Ice Cream truck when we got the kids some ice cream, he asked me if it was "a real shooter on my hip" and if it was legal, educated him a little and that was that.

A weekend breakfast meet up in the yelm area sounds good to me. Never been to the bunkhouse for breakfast or while OC not sure if they have a problem with it.

I've OCd at both Doug's and bunkhouse with no issues. Just pick a time and I'm sure some will make it there.

 

[Trigger Dr]

...and some people openly carry a water gun to an O.C. rally..

Pictures or it did not happen.
How many more days Birthday boy?:lol:

 

[CA2373]

OC report

OC around Kent Station and ate at Chipotle. Only issue was a couple of guys upon getting out of their truck started talking loudly about how they felt much safer now. The same guys followed my friend and I into Chipolte and while I was ordering food asked me what kind of gun I was carrying and how it looked like something or other. I gave them a brief answer and went on ignoring them. The guys were just being obnoxious. I was wearing my little sig 238. I got quite a few looks from people. Next time I go down there I should wear my blue jewelry. That would get me some attention.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Pictures or it did not happen.
How many more days Birthday boy?:lol:

68 days......

 

[godsdaddy]

Yet another Yelm guy...

I've OCd at both Doug's and bunkhouse with no issues. Just pick a time and I'm sure some will make it there.

Same here... not so much as a mention in either place. OC'd all over Yelm and on a 300+ mile ride on Saturday out Rt12 and back up Rt410 and... nothing happened.

I'd be down for breakfast some weekend in Yelm as well, just not the next couple weekends since I'll be camping. Carry on...

 

[Alsherry]

68 days......

Turning 21?

 

[EMNofSeattle]

Turning 21?

correct

 

[Alsherry]

correct

Turned 21 just last year. Didn't start OCing until I was 22, but still, was nice to be able to be part of the "21 Club" lol. Felt like such a long wait towards the end of the month before.