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Remember, they disarm you for "Officer Safety".
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amzbrady
Regular Member
thebigsd
Founder's Club Member
A picture is worth a thousand words but the video is priceless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhIJOVD8hwY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Metalhead47
Regular Member
Yes you're absolutely correct. I'm saying show me evidence of someone lying, and I'll be the next condemn that action. I haven't seen that, or any rational attempt to "get to the bottom" of anything. All I've seen so far is akin to a bunch of cynical grumpy old men sitting around grumbling "well they're cops after all, they musta dun sumpthin wrong..."
Metalhead47
Regular Member
This.
THIS. See, now THIS is an example of evidence worthy of condemnation of an act. THIS guy is, quite obviously, a dumb****, and is hopefully adjusting well to his new career in custodial engineering by now.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
Yes you're absolutely correct. I'm saying show me evidence of someone lying, and I'll be the next condemn that action. I haven't seen that, or any rational attempt to "get to the bottom" of anything. All I've seen so far is akin to a bunch of cynical grumpy old men sitting around grumbling "well they're cops after all, they musta dun sumpthin wrong..."
Agreed. Some people suffer so bad from copafilia though they assume too much. Still too many questions how an officer would get "shot" even from a ricochet. Somebody must have dun sumpthhin wrong. Just saying. I doubt they'll get a huge L&I fine like a private contractor would though if it was a simple "workplace" injury. I would like to see that though. :lol:
Dave_pro2a
Regular Member
http://www.kirotv.com/news/28624187/detail.html
Hey, it's a lying cop.
How many people are currently in prison because of other lies this officer told? We'll never know, but it could have been you or someone you love.
Hey, it's a lying cop.
How many people are currently in prison because of other lies this officer told? We'll never know, but it could have been you or someone you love.
Dave_pro2a
Regular Member
Remember THIS when they disarm you for officer safety:
http://jalopnik.com/5823543/cop-threatens-to-execute-driver-over-concealed-weapon-permit
Don't confuse yourself and remember this instead:
http://blogs.findlaw.com/legally_we...as-sex-in-city-pool-while-children-watch.html
It's the first story that is really important. Here's another article about it, with video http://www.truecrimereport.com/2011/07/cop_daniel_harless_threatens_t.php
A cop threatens to kill a person for CCWing, and tells the person that the other officer at the stop would lie to cover his murder. So there's a homicidal cop, and a cop willing to lie to protect a murdering cop. Any cop you meet could be like one of those.
1* at it's best.
http://jalopnik.com/5823543/cop-threatens-to-execute-driver-over-concealed-weapon-permit
Don't confuse yourself and remember this instead:
http://blogs.findlaw.com/legally_we...as-sex-in-city-pool-while-children-watch.html
It's the first story that is really important. Here's another article about it, with video http://www.truecrimereport.com/2011/07/cop_daniel_harless_threatens_t.php
A cop threatens to kill a person for CCWing, and tells the person that the other officer at the stop would lie to cover his murder. So there's a homicidal cop, and a cop willing to lie to protect a murdering cop. Any cop you meet could be like one of those.
1* at it's best.
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golddigger14s
Activist Member
I was in the military for 20+ years, there are people in the military that didn't behave properly. The acts of individuals in all walks of life you will find individuals who act inappropriate/illegal. I bet you can find a Burger King
worker who commits crimes. People make mistakes, but I know we hold police at a higher standard. They should give some of us a break, but they have a tough job too. Rant-Rant.
worker who commits crimes. People make mistakes, but I know we hold police at a higher standard. They should give some of us a break, but they have a tough job too. Rant-Rant.
Metalhead47
Regular Member
What's your point Dave? That there are bad cops out there? No one is disputing that. But to say they're ALL bad is just as short sighted and erroneous as saying they're all good. Yeah, you might get a cop like you mentioned. Or you might get one like that Oregon sheriff who's been mentioned here a time or two for his upholding of the law
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thebigsd
Founder's Club Member
Exactly. Cops are just like everyone else. Some are great people who do great things and some are horrible people that do horrible things. Cops stand out because they are held to a higher standard (as they should be) and they have a higher public profile. Cops are nothing special, but they are humans and humans do stupid things regardless of who they are.
Dave_pro2a
Regular Member
Metalhead47
Regular Member
Dave_pro2a
Regular Member
Metalhead47
Regular Member
Seems to me you certainly have been inferring it.
sudden valley gunner
Regular Member
The "bad apple" argument doesn't hold water with me. There is a serious problem with LEA's and LEO's, any body who denies it isn't seeing the picture clearly. When you give agencies and people unconstitutional powers that are often unchecked it is going to attract a certain type of person to that job.
E.G. engineers are a-type/anal personalities typically along with accountants. Those type of jobs fit their personalities. Now create a job where someone is allowed to have "power" over someone else and you are going to attract bullies and jerks. Those who picked on others in school and those who were picked on in school etc. Now this is not to say all cops are this but a large amount are. I don't care how much people want to deny it it is true. And the more we allow police and LEA's to get away with their crimes and over look it the more it will attract these people.
Limit their powers constitutionally, along with the amount of taxes they get and drastically reduce their numbers. Overturn ridiculous tyranny supporting cop favorable court rulings. Make more people aware of their rights, properly instruct juries, enforce the SCOTUS rulings we have the right to resist unlawful arrest and make sure police know this so they are damn sure they are correct when stopping a "civilian". Get rid of the militarization, the "people" having more rights as private citizens constitutionally, have the right to have the bigger guns. Fire all cops that lie (this is suppose to happen already, Brady vs. Maryland), why do they get to commit the felonious crime of perjury when you go to court for a misdemeanor? No more SWAT, no more undercover entrapment, no more enforcement of unconstitutional drug laws. Police should be local and not brought in from other areas. I could go on......if you are not at least concerned about the condition of "law enforcement" (even that word bothers me, it is the government using force against it's civilians) than you are not paying attention, apathetic or suffer from 'copafilia'.
Now should I go to prosecutors? Since they often are the top cop in your area? We need to separate their power and alliance with police. There needs to be consequences for frivolous cases brought against the people. They too need to be constitutionally restrained and not invent "noveau" ways of prosecuting. When laws are "vague" the benefit of the doubt needs to go to the "perp". Rudy Giulani, Janet Reno are two famous prosecutors who sent innocent men to jail. How about the fact that Martha Stewart did time for "lying" about a crime she did not commit? Sofa King What!!!!!! They need to adhere to a strict Blackstone law tradition our country was founded on, you need a victim, actus reaus and mens rea to even bring someone to a grand jury. That asinine saying "ignorance is no excuse" is b******t ignorance is an excuse. So many cases they hide exculpatory evidence or use the plea bargain to win cases, because they have almost unlimited funds to prosecute how can we win when even rich folks like Mike Milken can't even fight the power of the state.
They are political beasts who look at conviction rates for reelection, but if you inform yourself you will find that the overwhelming conviction rates are based on plea bargains (high 90's percentage in many cases). So their convictions are not even for the crime they brought the "perp" to court for, and in many cases it is simply akin to Soviet Gulag or Middle age torture "confessions" because of the pressure put upon a person both monetarily and threats of higher convictions. So many people, not guilty, simply confess. Look at Sigfan if his attorney didn't force the prosecutor to look at the evidence (the video prosecutor wanted to exclude) he would have been convicted of something he didn't do. (The police also dragged their feet and didn't follow the judges order concerning his weapon, something they did in Berretta Lady's case too) Like the police there are too many problems with prosecution in this country to address in this post.
Should I move on to judges? (Many who are ex prosecutors) fighting against jury nullification, inventing new ways to read the law, allowing personal feelings to cloud, strict constitutional rulings, (allowing politicians to threaten them to affect their rulings, SCOTUS's dramatic change under FDR) improper jury instructions. Taking a cops word over a "civilians" when the burden of the proof is supposed to be on the state.
Yes there is something seriously wrong with our "justice" system, not just the cops it is from the bottom up. People who want to use demagoguery against those of us who are outspoken against this system are part of the problem. It's like when someone says, 'I think we need reform welfare', saying "Oh you must want women and children to die!'. But cops are the "force" behind these political issues they willingly choose to enforce and partake in these unconstitutional and anti liberty tactics.
There will be a struggle a war of sorts, I think it has already started, people are going to choose sides what side are You on? (not said to anyone specific hence the capitalization of you) I will choose and always choose the side that is closest to individual liberty and freedom.
E.G. engineers are a-type/anal personalities typically along with accountants. Those type of jobs fit their personalities. Now create a job where someone is allowed to have "power" over someone else and you are going to attract bullies and jerks. Those who picked on others in school and those who were picked on in school etc. Now this is not to say all cops are this but a large amount are. I don't care how much people want to deny it it is true. And the more we allow police and LEA's to get away with their crimes and over look it the more it will attract these people.
Limit their powers constitutionally, along with the amount of taxes they get and drastically reduce their numbers. Overturn ridiculous tyranny supporting cop favorable court rulings. Make more people aware of their rights, properly instruct juries, enforce the SCOTUS rulings we have the right to resist unlawful arrest and make sure police know this so they are damn sure they are correct when stopping a "civilian". Get rid of the militarization, the "people" having more rights as private citizens constitutionally, have the right to have the bigger guns. Fire all cops that lie (this is suppose to happen already, Brady vs. Maryland), why do they get to commit the felonious crime of perjury when you go to court for a misdemeanor? No more SWAT, no more undercover entrapment, no more enforcement of unconstitutional drug laws. Police should be local and not brought in from other areas. I could go on......if you are not at least concerned about the condition of "law enforcement" (even that word bothers me, it is the government using force against it's civilians) than you are not paying attention, apathetic or suffer from 'copafilia'.
Now should I go to prosecutors? Since they often are the top cop in your area? We need to separate their power and alliance with police. There needs to be consequences for frivolous cases brought against the people. They too need to be constitutionally restrained and not invent "noveau" ways of prosecuting. When laws are "vague" the benefit of the doubt needs to go to the "perp". Rudy Giulani, Janet Reno are two famous prosecutors who sent innocent men to jail. How about the fact that Martha Stewart did time for "lying" about a crime she did not commit? Sofa King What!!!!!! They need to adhere to a strict Blackstone law tradition our country was founded on, you need a victim, actus reaus and mens rea to even bring someone to a grand jury. That asinine saying "ignorance is no excuse" is b******t ignorance is an excuse. So many cases they hide exculpatory evidence or use the plea bargain to win cases, because they have almost unlimited funds to prosecute how can we win when even rich folks like Mike Milken can't even fight the power of the state.
They are political beasts who look at conviction rates for reelection, but if you inform yourself you will find that the overwhelming conviction rates are based on plea bargains (high 90's percentage in many cases). So their convictions are not even for the crime they brought the "perp" to court for, and in many cases it is simply akin to Soviet Gulag or Middle age torture "confessions" because of the pressure put upon a person both monetarily and threats of higher convictions. So many people, not guilty, simply confess. Look at Sigfan if his attorney didn't force the prosecutor to look at the evidence (the video prosecutor wanted to exclude) he would have been convicted of something he didn't do. (The police also dragged their feet and didn't follow the judges order concerning his weapon, something they did in Berretta Lady's case too) Like the police there are too many problems with prosecution in this country to address in this post.
Should I move on to judges? (Many who are ex prosecutors) fighting against jury nullification, inventing new ways to read the law, allowing personal feelings to cloud, strict constitutional rulings, (allowing politicians to threaten them to affect their rulings, SCOTUS's dramatic change under FDR) improper jury instructions. Taking a cops word over a "civilians" when the burden of the proof is supposed to be on the state.
Yes there is something seriously wrong with our "justice" system, not just the cops it is from the bottom up. People who want to use demagoguery against those of us who are outspoken against this system are part of the problem. It's like when someone says, 'I think we need reform welfare', saying "Oh you must want women and children to die!'. But cops are the "force" behind these political issues they willingly choose to enforce and partake in these unconstitutional and anti liberty tactics.
There will be a struggle a war of sorts, I think it has already started, people are going to choose sides what side are You on? (not said to anyone specific hence the capitalization of you) I will choose and always choose the side that is closest to individual liberty and freedom.
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gogodawgs
Campaign Veteran
Well said!
Well Said Rob, very well done. You provided cite's and real life instances that people on this board know about.
Well Said Rob, very well done. You provided cite's and real life instances that people on this board know about.
Metalhead47
Regular Member
I could pick at a couple nits, but again I agree. My contention this whole thread has been assumptions that cop = bad, cop = inherent wrong doing, and cop = convicted without evidence in our lil court of public opinion here.
Dave_pro2a
Regular Member
Dave_pro2a
Regular Member
Tax money is better than getting a financial incentive to do illegal activity -- which is what police have right now.
I.e. invent cause for stops and warrants to they can seize and sell property (sometimes before a person is convicted) and keep all the proceeds. Thanks WoD.
At least with regular tax money they have to use the same tricks that the parks department, or the transportation department has to use to get extra tax money. It's a lot safer for everyone involved.
Excellent post VG.
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