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[BB62]

I have not posted but I still read and am here!

Okay then! :banana:

So, what insights have you gained since November of last year?

 

[vegaspassat]

I thought it was pretty funny actually lol

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[davidmcbeth]

+ 1000

And, as typical, idiotic.

Sense of humor level: zero

 

[davidmcbeth]

Nicely played Sir! +1. Hey atleast he is willing to talk. Many in his line of work are more the: SHUT UP! ME LAW! YOU DO, OR (We wee weeee) squash you.

I don't mind the poster ... more of a jab at the NSA than him ...

This went over some people's heads through ... I have doubled the guards at my gate ...

 

[PALO]

3"How do you want to be approached? Like I said before I cannot just ignore a call I get dispatched to. Man with a gun calls are not entirely uncommon, I must respond and make sure no laws are being violated, or are about to be. Is there anyway I can do that without stepping on your toes or making this a huge deal when it does not need to be? Keep in mind I just want to make sure that you are not going to kill or hurt anyone (that doesn't need killin'). I would have a hard time sleeping if I did not confront an armed individual who later killed someones child."

I say this as a LEO. Just because you get dispatched to a man with a gun doesn't mean that gives you legal cause to make a stop. PERIOD. Prior to our dispatchers being schooled, we would get those calls all the time. I use them as an opportunity to educate the RP that Yes WA is an open carry state and while he may be disturbed by the sight of a parkgoer wearing a firearm in a holster (we got 6 calls on one guy recently), *he* is engaging in perfectly lawful behavior and we will NOT contact him for doing so, because that's harassment. What if he was "bothered' by a white guy and a black girl holding hands? What if he was bothered by a political t-shirt that said "BUCK FUSH"? So what?

If you get a man with a gun call , you can drive by and maybe wave at the guy. Do you recognize him as a felon or somebody otherwise prohibited in carrying firearms (DV order, etc.) if not - L E A V E H I M A L O N E

Citizens are bothered by all sorts of stuff that does not rise to the level where we make subject stops. I've seen neighborhoods where just because a guy is black, some citizen is going to call him in as a suspicious male because he's walking on the sidewalk and occasionally stopping and admiring houses. Groovy. That's not RAS to stop him, but some homeowners think it is.

We were getting a lot of calls/complaints about the bikini baristas, that they were coming out of their kiosk wearing only pasties and a thong. They were doing this where CHILDREN could see. This upset the soccer mom's. So what? Our local case law is crystal clear. As long as the areola is covered up top and the vulva is covered down below, they can prance around anywhere they want. Most will stay inside the kiosk but that's THEIR call.

We educated our dispatchers and we got a copy of the email from our local prosecutor outlining the local case law if any callers were interested.

Problem solved. What we did not do is go harass the bikini (or pasty) baristas. They are engaged in legitimate business practices that need to be respected, REGARDLESS if we got a call, or it bothered a soccer mom
I remember we got one of those calls about a suspicious black male, my watch sgt. comes on the radio (he's awesome) and goes "Radio, that call is bullsh*t (and yes he said the word). We are NOT going to that!'

Bully for him!

I can't speak to your dept. policy, but if it requires you to go to the area, that's not a problem. If it requires you to contact personX when he is doing nothing wrong except for something that is constitutionally protected but that happens to bother the RP, then you need to change your dept. policy.

Our policy and training is CRYSTAL CLEAR. Leave OCers alone

 

[davidmcbeth]

3"How do you want to be approached? Like I said before I cannot just ignore a call I get dispatched to. ..... Leave OCers alone

Nice to see you support OCers !!

But you really don't have to respond, right? What's the worst that can happen to you if you don't?

I know many cops who would not respond when they are nearing retirement. Cannot say I blame them...

 

[PALO]

Nice to see you support OCers !!

But you really don't have to respond, right? What's the worst that can happen to you if you don't?

I know many cops who would not respond when they are nearing retirement. Cannot say I blame them...

You might read my post again. I edited it.

Now, we will not even GET THE CALL . We have done sufficient education with our dispatch center such that they will advise the RP and they will not send us. Back when they did so, I could get into an argument with the dispatcher, who likely doesn't know the law, and get the sgt. to cancel the call, but it's no skin off my back to go to the call. It gives me an opportunity to educate the CALLER on right to carry openly laws. Teaching opportunities are a public service I'm happy to provide.

But I would either have to get the sgt. to cancel the call OR at least go to the scene. I usually did the latter, since again - teaching people about firearms rights is a valuable police function. And ime, since I was polite and respectful of the RP's concerns, they usually left happy with police response. That's a big part of verbal judo. When you get good, you get satisfied customers even when you can't give them what they ultimately want. I get very very few complaints. If you respect people, treat them kindly, explain yourself etc. you can almost always get a positive resolution and that's what I strive for. I'd rather have a happy RP because I personally talked to him and explained the law then to not go and then he has a negative experience. We aim to serve WITHIN the law and by educating him I can do that.

Also, even if I didn't support OCers, I first of all support rule of law, so even if I disagreed with it, I would still act in accordance with the law and respect their rights.

I personally don't think a person should have firearms rights rescinded for nonviolent felonies, but they DO get them rescinded. So, I'm going to make an arrest in that case for VUFA even though I don't agree with the law

cheers

 

[davidmcbeth]

You might read my post again...

I personally don't think a person should have firearms rights rescinded for nonviolent felonies, but they DO get them rescinded. So, I'm going to make an arrest in that case for VUFA even though I don't agree with the law

cheers

I will re-read it ... thx for the update.

Ahhh, the old "who can own" discussion. I am of the opinion that any free man should be able to own. If you committed a felony and served your time then you come out a free man. After all, if you were still a danger you would be inside, right? I know that this is not the popular opinion...and I understand the opposite viewpoint.


Doesn't PA have "gun courts" .. I recall reading that .. that sticks in someone's mind GUN court...they don't have "witch made me so crazy so I smacked her" court" right? lol

 

[OC for ME]

<snip> Keep in mind I just want to make sure that you are not going to kill or hurt anyone (that doesn't need killin'). I would have a hard time sleeping if I did not confront an armed individual who later killed someones child."
<snip>

I look forward to the day when all cops have a L E A V E H I M A L O N E mindset. But your words leave yourself wiggle room to stop a OCer just to satisfy a hunch.

Side issue, if the caller IDs themselves, are charges filed (citation issued) for calling in a false report, given that ignorance of the law is no excuse. Do you keep a record of those who call in a MWAG to see if a repeat report is lodged in the future which then justifies legal sanctions against the RP.

 

[carolina guy]

I will re-read it ... thx for the update.

Ahhh, the old "who can own" discussion. I am of the opinion that any free man should be able to own. If you committed a felony and served your time then you come out a free man. After all, if you were still a danger you would be inside, right? I know that this is not the popular opinion...and I understand the opposite viewpoint.


Doesn't PA have "gun courts" .. I recall reading that .. that sticks in someone's mind GUN court...they don't have "witch made me so crazy so I smacked her" court" right? lol

+100 I think after the first couple CONVICTIONS, if a person has demonstrated that they are a continuing and ongoing problem, they need to be removed from society until they are no longer a problem.

Excessive case in point, take DWI/DUI: http://www.digtriad.com/news/local/...-Convicted-Of-17th-DWI-Gets-7-Years-In-Prison

 

[davidmcbeth]

+100 I think after the first couple CONVICTIONS, if a person has demonstrated that they are a continuing and ongoing problem, they need to be removed from society until they are no longer a problem.

Yea, after a couple of bank robberies, kidnappings, murders you would think that they need to be isolated from the public in one manner or another....I would support the death penalty IF they could get the cases right

 

[carolina guy]

Yea, after a couple of bank robberies, kidnappings, murders you would think that they need to be isolated from the public in one manner or another....I would support the death penalty IF they could get the cases right

It does get harder and harder to believe that the government can get the death penalty correct when they cannot do it in anything else.

 

[BB62]

I have not posted but I still read and am here!

Great!

Then, to repeat my question from last week: What insights have you gained since November of last year?

Thanks.

 

[marshaul]

It does get harder and harder to believe that the government can get the death penalty correct when they cannot do it in anything else.

Government's track record on the death penalty speaks for itself, and it's no better than anything else government messes up beyond repair.

 

[davidmcbeth]

Government's track record on the death penalty speaks for itself, and it's no better than anything else government messes up beyond repair.

+1

 

[stargateranch]

Okay then! :banana:

So, what insights have you gained since November of last year?

Gun owners in Utah would get five stars from me if I had stars to give. They are respectful and honest really easy to interact with. I get presented all sorts of different things on traffic stops, legal shield cards, temple recommends, the occasional bribe, and ccw permits. Gun owners tend to be polite and honest. I appreciate that. Not super groundbreaking I know.

 

[stargateranch]

Ta-Da .. taking time out of his new NSA job I see to post sweet

What do you mean taking time out of my NSA job. This is my job, one drone headed your way, it appears your computer has a virus that you might want to get removed, and your wife just left you a voice mail she needs milk.

 

[JoeSparky]

What do you mean taking time out of my NSA job. This is my job, one drone headed your way, it appears your computer has a virus that you might want to get removed, and your wife just left you a voice mail she needs milk.

Hey, I want you to know that I appreciate what I assume is sarcasm/humor even though it isn't labeled as such.

Some will use a Purple font others simply will append "/sarcasm" at the end....

 

[Utah_Patriot]

To the OP you truly are a stand up guy you took the time to meet me and discuss the issue I really learned a lot from you. Hope your CIT class was good I enjoyed taking the class

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[stargateranch]

To the OP you truly are a stand up guy you took the time to meet me and discuss the issue I really learned a lot from you. Hope your CIT class was good I enjoyed taking the class

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CIT was a great class, I really feel for a lot of those folks that we talked with. Very eye opening and have used the things I learned there several times since. Good luck with your fight up there at the U.