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[stargateranch]

Local UTA driver would love to sign-up for one of these Ride-a-longs. Sounds like a good chance to see it from your side. Which department, WJPD? or Unified?

Hey ProbablyTaken,

Sorry I am still here just quite busy as of late. I could do a ride along for you sometime. It would have to be after the first of the year most of my time is taken with training a new gal. Let me know, email me at ssr10clerk@gmail.com.

 

[stargateranch]

If it involves a cop with unAmerican, anti-rights views, I'll wear that label. You only need one hand and part of a second to count the number of pro-rights cops who've shown up on the forum. The bad ones show themselves pretty fast by what they write---and what they don't write.

Cops have very thick skins. A bit of verbal hammering is not going to hurt their feelings. If an anti-rights cop leaves the forum, its not because of verbal hammering. Its going to be more in the area that he wasn't all that committed to supporting rights in the first place and was here for some other reason. The cops who do respect rights and are committed to open carry are still here.

Hey Citizen,

Hammer away, I can take it. Just been super busy lots of personal stuff. I am still here just not alot of time to post. Still read though.

 

[Utah_Patriot]

Would love to go on a ride along

questions comments problems call anytime 8014487574

 

[Fallschirjmäger]

.....Cops have very thick skins. A bit of verbal hammering is not going to hurt their feelings. If an anti-rights cop leaves the forum, its not because of verbal hammering. Its going to be more in the area that he wasn't all that committed to supporting rights in the first place and was here for some other reason. The cops who do respect rights and are committed to open carry are still here.

Citizen, I must most respectfully disagree with you here (at least to a tiny degree). When it comes to someone standing up to them, and being told they are wrong most cops tend to have very thin skins.
You can call them pigs, coppers, jackbooted thugs and every name under the sun and it will bounce off like rain on a hot roof. But tell one "No, you're wrong; that's NOT what the law says and I'm not going to humor you" will get veins a-throbbin' in microseconds.

 

[stargateranch]

Citizen, I must most respectfully disagree with you here (at least to a tiny degree). When it comes to someone standing up to them, and being told they are wrong most cops tend to have very thin skins.
You can call them pigs, coppers, jackbooted thugs and every name under the sun and it will bounce off like rain on a hot roof. But tell one "No, you're wrong; that's NOT what the law says and I'm not going to humor you" will get veins a-throbbin' in microseconds.

Well in all fairness most people don't like to be told they are wrong. Right?

 

[Fuller Malarkey]

Well in all fairness most people don't like to be told they are wrong. Right?

Few get by expressing their displeasure of being told they are wrong with threats of incarceration, mace, clubs, physical assault, bogus legal charges, firearms. In all fairness, few regular law abiding citizens really go out of their way to force their will on others.

And I didn't get the memo that these responses to exposed ignorance were part of "protecting and serving".

 

[Citizen]

Citizen, I must most respectfully disagree with you here (at least to a tiny degree). When it comes to someone standing up to them, and being told they are wrong most cops tend to have very thin skins.
You can call them pigs, coppers, jackbooted thugs and every name under the sun and it will bounce off like rain on a hot roof. But tell one "No, you're wrong; that's NOT what the law says and I'm not going to humor you" will get veins a-throbbin' in microseconds.

Good point. Of course, the more wrong they are, the more the veins throb. Its kinda hard to make a guy feel wrong if he knows he's right.

I would call attention to the difference between telling a cop he's wrong, and telling him I'm not going to comply with extra-legal demands simply because its a cop making the demand. Angering a power-tripper is a lot easier than making somebody feel wrong when he knows he isn't. The cop who knows he's right will just move for the arrest or will even spend some time trying to persuade you, or rather the peace officer will. The law enforcement officer, not so much.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

He is a Utah trooper, if you read through the postings you will see where he posted a news article about himself and arresting some citizen for dressing in black clothing.

...While flashing red lights listening to the scanner and in possession of police equipment. and then voluntarily told the officers he was "volunteering" Because that's what everyone does when wearing black clothing right? seriously...

I'm glad he's off the roads, before long he would've been pulling over and raping women on remote stretches of roadway. How much more do you need before you can reasonably presume he's impersonating?

Here's the applicable law

76-8-512. Impersonation of officer.
A person is guilty of a class B misdemeanor who:
(1) impersonates a public servant or a peace officer with intent to deceive another or with intent to induce another to submit to his pretended official authority or to rely upon his pretended official act;
(2) falsely states he is a public servant or a peace officer with intent to deceive another or to induce another to submit to his pretended official authority or to rely upon his pretended official act; or
(3) displays or possesses without authority any badge, identification card, other form of identification, any restraint device, or the uniform of any state or local governmental entity, or a reasonable facsimile of any of these items, with the intent to deceive another or with the intent to induce another to submit to his pretended official authority or to rely upon his pretended official act.

 

[davidmcbeth]

Well in all fairness most people don't like to be told they are wrong. Right?

Wrong ! lol

 

[self preservation]

...While flashing red lights listening to the scanner and in possession of police equipment. and then voluntarily told the officers he was "volunteering" Because that's what everyone does when wearing black clothing right? seriously...

I'm glad he's off the roads, before long he would've been pulling over and raping women on remote stretches of roadway. How much more do you need before you can reasonably presume he's impersonating?

Here's the applicable law

I made almost the exact comment as you did and some on here acted like I had shot their favorite dog. I can't help but to agree that this guy was doing something he shouldn't been doing in the first place. I don't think that wearing black clothing and having a firearm means that you are impersonating. But given all the other circumstances with this case, this guy that smelled, acted like and quacked like a duck...was probably a duck.

 

[providentaim]

Very good I especially like the last point. I will pass it on. I didnt mean to offend on some points they are just my opinion. I am not the smartest guy around for sure.

Also I am doing this because I have seen some people mistreated and I would like to avoid that. My heart is in the right place but I lack eloquence at times.

First I would like to say that I appreciate you coming here and posting. I find it very educational.

I wanted to address something I noticed. There is a tenancy for bias with regard to the responding officer to believe 100% of the information the 911 caller offers (especially rookies). When I worked for the Salt Lake County Constable's office, I often had the police called on me. Sometimes several times a day. Some professionally asked questions then made up their mind. Others assumed whatever dispatch had told them (based on the caller's information) was 100% correct. I understand that they trust dispatch, but this is bad policy. There is a mix between people skills and authority one needs to have. I just think making up your mind before hearing everything is bad.

I saw a lady stack her neighbors dog **** on her own porch then call the cops on this special needs guy because she resented his special needs dog. I think the amount of erroneous calls would go down a lot if people like that lady were cited for making a false report. The neighbors will tell you. She called you guys weekly on that poor bastard.

Also I don't mind being contacted. However, if I'm not doing something stupid I want the police to get to know me. Don't ask me questions like I'm a 15 year old who just got caught sneaking out at 3 am. Wave at my kids. I live in a summit county, it's not that big a place. I'm the type to pull you out when you slide into a snow bank, or help search and rescue. It's better to have lots of good contacts with people, so they back you up (morally/physically)when things get really bad. You can still portray a rock solid authority, while nodding at a guys kids instead of making him feel like a criminal in front of them.

 

[vegaspassat]

You guys are forgetting rule #1 when talking to an LEO. "Don't talk to cops"

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[BB62]

First I would like to say that I appreciate you coming here and posting. I find it very educational...

I haven't read the whole thread, but the OP has not posted since November of last year, so...

 

[Aarius]

A great way to respond to "Conceal V Open Carry"

If I thought about it for hours I could not come up with a better or more accurate response to the very question of "Concealed Carry versus Open Carry" than this outspoken Mom from Alabama. I would only add that my choice to OC is not new and a great deal of research and self - confidence built from doing so since 1972 I feel would answer that question very well to anyone who sees me in public - especially to a person or persons in the commission of creating in me reasonable belief that said person or persons intend imminent threat to the lives of others or myself.

[video=youtube;LxXRJILDwEY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxXRJILDwEY[/video]

 

[stargateranch]

I haven't read the whole thread, but the OP has not posted since November of last year, so...

I have not posted but I still read and am here!

 

[davidmcbeth]

I have not posted but I still read and am here!

Ta-Da .. taking time out of his new NSA job I see to post sweet

 

[FreeInAZ]

I have not posted but I still read and am here!

Ta-Da .. taking time out of his new NSA job I see to post sweet

Nicely played Sir! +1. Hey atleast he is willing to talk. Many in his line of work are more the: SHUT UP! ME LAW! YOU DO, OR (We wee weeee) squash you.

 

[Utah_Patriot]

Welcome back sir

call anytime 8014487574

 

[OC for ME]

Ta-Da .. taking time out of his new NSA job I see to post sweet

Uncalled for.

 

[BB62]

Uncalled for.

+ 1000

And, as typical, idiotic.