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Peninsula Town Center stickers
- Thread starter HardChrome
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45acpForMe
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45acpForMe
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You are correct and that was cleared up a year or two ago. The problem is that the individual tenants can decide on their own to ban guns or not. For the last couple years I have been OC-ing in all the stores we shopped in and never been asked to leave or any other negative comment. It seems that recently some effort has been underway to ban guns. It would be interesting to hear if PTC management was lobbying for the ban. Should a pre-empted entity be able to lobby against rights? Say if Hampton notified all businesses that they recommend banning guns from their store do we have any recourse?
Thundar
Regular Member
PTC=Local Authority
Peninsula Town Center is a LOCAL Authority. They are preempted. This means that open carry in their two parks is perfectly legal. I sterile open carry there often. They have mostly rent a cops. They also have some off duty Hampton Police. Hampton does not have a stop and identify law.
Live Free or Die,
Thundar
Peninsula Town Center is a LOCAL Authority. They are preempted. This means that open carry in their two parks is perfectly legal. I sterile open carry there often. They have mostly rent a cops. They also have some off duty Hampton Police. Hampton does not have a stop and identify law.
Live Free or Die,
Thundar
Thundar
Regular Member
The hampton City Manager is on the Board of Supervisors for the Authority. You have the ability to send her to FOIA hell. The PTC Authority can also be put in FOIA hell. If there is any whiff of violating the preemption, when you take them to court you may be able to recover attorney fees if you prevail.
I am an FFL and looked at opening a gun shop in PTC, but the rent is too damn high and I am far more profitable selling online and at gun shows.
Live Free or Die,
Thundar
zoom6zoom
Regular Member
and here I've been thinking those signs meant, we don't have any guns in stock. 
user
Accomplished Advocate
and here I've been thinking those signs meant, we don't have any guns in stock.
Me, too! I thought they meant, "We don't sell guns." Clearly ambiguous, and in the criminal context, the tie goes to the runner. Of course it may be necessary to persuade a General District Court judge that it can be interpreted more than one way.
45acpForMe
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and here I've been thinking those signs meant, we don't have any guns in stock.
Now that right there was funny! :lol:
User do you have any ideas? FOIA or otherwise?
user
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Nope. What Thundar said made perfect sense. The lessee of real property is a property owner for purposes of the "no guns allowed" thing. But the common areas, being owned by the locality, cannot be subject to restriction. 15.2-915.
grylnsmn
Regular Member
I note that all of those appear to be the same sticker, almost as though someone bought a whole batch of them and went door-to-door handing them out.
It would be interesting to find out who actually bought them.
It would be interesting to find out who actually bought them.
Esanders2008
Regular Member
As far as the city recommending the no guns sign, this, AFAIK, goes against preemption. When I had the fuss over my favorite IHOP getting GFZ'd, I was told by the owner that Norfolk PD had recommended the sign. After speaking with one of the captains downtown, he told me that it was a violation, and that he would send out a memo reminding his officers to stay out of it. (The sign did come down, eventually.)
45acpForMe
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I thought about if they violated preemption but telling a renter of their private property rights to allow or disallow firearems wouldn't be enough. They would have had to strongly recommend to force them to display the sticker.
Since about half the stores are using them I kind if figure they didn't force them to display the sticker. So if they did "recommend" the stickers I am sure they could "say" they were only informing them and spouting personal opinion of the person distributing the stickers.
HardChrome
Regular Member
I just sent the management the following inquiry:
"I visited a couple of your businesses last week and noticed that there were what appeared to be new "no firearms allowed" stickers on the doors of almost all of the businesses there. This I would assume is a coordinated effort by someone to get all the businesses to comply since I can't imagine they would have all been designated as such on their own, all at the same time.
Do you have any information about why all these businesses suddenly appear to have new policies barring legally carried firearms on their premises? In the mean time I and many of my friends will be taking our money to other businesses, primarily in Newport News, where the legal carrying of firearms is still welcomed."
"I visited a couple of your businesses last week and noticed that there were what appeared to be new "no firearms allowed" stickers on the doors of almost all of the businesses there. This I would assume is a coordinated effort by someone to get all the businesses to comply since I can't imagine they would have all been designated as such on their own, all at the same time.
Do you have any information about why all these businesses suddenly appear to have new policies barring legally carried firearms on their premises? In the mean time I and many of my friends will be taking our money to other businesses, primarily in Newport News, where the legal carrying of firearms is still welcomed."
HardChrome
Regular Member
No response via their website so I wrote to two of the people listed in their organization today, hoping to find someone who will actually provide an answer.
The Wolfhound
Regular Member
If I don't carry a Beretta 92FS....
or one of its clones, should I care? That sticker looks nothing like my carry peice,........ to me. LOL. Good luck with the investigation. I agree there is likely a common source for all the same sticker showing up everywhere at once. There is a "red hand" to be caught somewhere.
or one of its clones, should I care? That sticker looks nothing like my carry peice,........ to me. LOL. Good luck with the investigation. I agree there is likely a common source for all the same sticker showing up everywhere at once. There is a "red hand" to be caught somewhere.
TFred
Regular Member
The mall managers aren't going to tell you a thing. Your best bet is to find someone at one of the stores who looks like they are chatty.
TFred
TFred
Thundar
Regular Member
A rather devious way of finding out about the signs would be for an activist to pretend to be an anti, go into the store and say "I am a pre-school teacher. We used to have a gunbuster sign on our front door, but gangbangers spray painted it. I really need a replacement gunbuster sign like the one in your window. Could you tell me where you got yours?"
If you get similar answers from multiple shops, then you will know the origin of the evil signs.
IanB
Regular Member
Page one has loads of pictures of doorways to businesses that I would never shop at anyways, regardless of a "no guns" sign.