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Open Carry vs Concealed Carry? What about a compromise - Announced Carry?

rtb47

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There is an excellent case made for OC here:
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?117919-Open-Carry-vs-Concealed-Carry-a-comprehensive-response

The problem with OC, especially in WA state, is the law is unclear and you could frequently be stopped by the police. So why not put the word "ARMED" in large letters on the back of your shirt, jacket, or vest and then carry concealed? Similarly, why not add "DRIVER ARMED" signage to your vehicle and wear a cap that says "ARMED" on the front? Add a picture of a gun for extra effect. Would this not give you the best of both worlds?
 

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There is an excellent case made for OC here:
http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?117919-Open-Carry-vs-Concealed-Carry-a-comprehensive-response

So why not put the word "ARMED" in large letters on (YOUR) back ,,, :)

I've taken the liberty to edit your post, just for the sake of showing how bad an idea I believe you are presenting to resolve this issue.

You mean something like this ? , :confused: ,, clic pic,,, View attachment 11157

OR,,, View attachment 11159

So, to answer the question, let me say this,,, :lol:

View attachment 11158
I don't get your point. Can you explain it better? I think Announced Carry (AC) would be nearly as good as OC, but not draw the attention of the police.
 

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OFUC.net seems to be available.


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UC is Unlicensed Carry. That is what the 2A is all about. Ohio almost has UC. A few (major) flaws: I need a license to carry in my car. I need a license to carry in a bar. I need a license to carry within 1000' of a school. Screw that! All infringements!


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No way I'll be a catalyst. Hell, I'll only be on OCDO a few more weeks at most before they unceremoniously dump my ass!


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rtb47

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Back to the subject of Announced Carry

Where did I go wrong here? I was hoping to see some thoughtful discussion about what I call ANNOUNCED CARRY (AC). Some more thoughts on this:
1. You would be on much firmer ground with AC vs. OC against the law because now you have not only the 2nd amendment on your side, but the 1st Amendment as well. The courts would have a MUCH harder time doing anything against you because some stupid cop says the word ARMED on your back would "warrant alarm for the safety of other persons" (the law in WA state). You just say it is a 1st Amendment right. Even liberal activist judges like the 1st Amendment.
2. Having "ARMED DRIVER" in big letters on the back of your vehicle would really cut down on being tailgated. :)
 
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NMOCr

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Just remember that Open carry has been seen by most courts since about 1810 as the "lawful means" of carrying. I disagree with their rulings concerning concealed carry, but they have said that concealed carry can be banned because it basically "incites" men to be "criminals" and "not honorable" to hide a weapon from a potential foe. Its a bit of a stupid mindset from the early 1800's of "honorable duals" vs someone coming up with a hidden gun and "murdering" them (not giving them a chance to defend themselves. Only criminals "would do that".
 

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Just remember that Open carry has been seen by most courts since about 1810 as the "lawful means" of carrying. I disagree with their rulings concerning concealed carry, but they have said that concealed carry can be banned because it basically "incites" men to be "criminals" and "not honorable" to hide a weapon from a potential foe. Its a bit of a stupid mindset from the early 1800's of "honorable duals" vs someone coming up with a hidden gun and "murdering" them (not giving them a chance to defend themselves. Only criminals "would do that".
Do keep in mind sir, that you are looking at this through 21st century eyes. For those in the early 19th century, this was perfectly normal thought. And yes, I do know that this can be said for a lot of things. But nevertheless, it is true. Change comes about in two ways: naturally or by force.

In my state, open carry still remains as the "normal" mode of carrying a sidearm while concealing it requires permission from our employees (servants).
 

moonie

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What experience do you have with this group of people that makes you think we are the type that compromise?
 

sudden valley gunner

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Bad Idea.

If anything your idea could be construed to "warrant alarm" more than simply just going about your business carrying.

You are wrong about the law. Although not worded perfectly, it does not justify stops by police for simply OC.

I have gotten a settlement from the police, and so has another Bellingham OC'er.

Remember the rule of lenity applies to government laws. Don't let them trick you into thinking it doesn't.
 
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