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OC in Nevada

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Jason England said:
I was going into the Jimmy John's at Lake Mead/95 a few days ago and passed a sign on the window of the Armed Forces Recruitment Center that said "No Weapons Allowed."

I was curious if anyone knew if that sign had any force of law ... all of the employees in there are military recruiters (federal employees)

Yes, it has force of law.
It's illegal on the federal level to possess a firearm in a federal building, which includes anywhere federal employees are regularly present for the purposes of performing their duties.

I'm not going to start digging for the citation right now, 'cause I really should have been in bed 10 minutes ago, but I'm sure there's someone who knows exactly where to link to in the US Code.
 

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My intent was to grab the link as I have it handy, and throw the link up as a courtesy.... Best laid plans right? I read it anyway, is it possible the USC has been changed recently? Here it is:


18 U.S. Code § 930 - Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities

Current through Pub. L. 113-121. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)

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(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.
(b) Whoever, with intent that a firearm or other dangerous weapon be used in the commission of a crime, knowingly possesses or causes to be present such firearm or dangerous weapon in a Federal facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.
(c) A person who kills any person in the course of a violation of subsection (a) or (b), or in the course of an attack on a Federal facility involving the use of a firearm or other dangerous weapon, or attempts or conspires to do such an act, shall be punished as provided in sections 1111, 1112, 1113, and 1117.
(d) Subsection (a) shall not apply to—
(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;
(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.
(e)
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal court facility, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to conduct which is described in paragraph (1) or (2) of subsection (d).
(f) Nothing in this section limits the power of a court of the United States to punish for contempt or to promulgate rules or orders regulating, restricting, or prohibiting the possession of weapons within any building housing such court or any of its proceedings, or upon any grounds appurtenant to such building.
(g) As used in this section:
(1) The term “Federal facility” means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties.
(2) The term “dangerous weapon” means a weapon, device, instrument, material, or substance, animate or inanimate, that is used for, or is readily capable of, causing death or serious bodily injury, except that such term does not include a pocket knife with a blade of less than 21/2 inches in length.
(3) The term “Federal court facility” means the courtroom, judges’ chambers, witness rooms, jury deliberation rooms, attorney conference rooms, prisoner holding cells, offices of the court clerks, the United States attorney, and the United States marshal, probation and parole offices, and adjoining corridors of any court of the United States.
(h) Notice of the provisions of subsections (a) and (b) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal facility, and notice of subsection (e) shall be posted conspicuously at each public entrance to each Federal court facility, and no person shall be convicted of an offense under subsection (a) or (e) with respect to a Federal facility if such notice is not so posted at such facility, unless such person had actual notice of subsection (a) or (e), as the case may be.


It looks like lawful purposes are exempt from prohibition, goes against everything I have known up until this point. Did I get the wrong Cite?
 

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18 USC 930:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/930



However, there is this interesting exception:



One would think that self defense would be "other lawful purposes." If a person carries a rifle into a Federal facility while in possession of a hunting license would that not be considered incident to hunting? So, if a person carries a handgun into a Federal facility, especially if they have a concealed permit/license, I don't see how that could not be considered an other lawful purpose, especially if they have a license or permit issued by the state to do so.

WOW Bruce Lee wouldn't have been allowed into the building due to his hands being deadly weapons....lol
 

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The big picture here is that the "federal goverment" is trying to strip away the purpose behind the 2A. If they can't take away the 2A they will water it down enought to allow the goverment safety to get out of hand, kinda like it did for Germany in the 1930's.
 

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It looks like lawful purposes are exempt from prohibition, goes against everything I have known up until this point. Did I get the wrong Cite?

I pointed that out in another thread recently as well. Seems to me it is the Feds doing a little CYA. It always bothered me how the Feds could restrict we the people one of the Bill of Rights, which were designed to restrict the Feds.

Like most of these things an arrest would be the only way to know for sure how well it holds up.
 

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A favorite quote:

"The natural progress of things is for liberty to yeild, and government to gain ground." - Thomas Jefferson to Edward Carrington, Paris, May 27, 1788

Our founding fathers knew what would, could and has happened in the past and they tried like heck to make sure THAT would not happen again by making the Bill of Rights so plainly simple. But that has not stopped the natural progression of people to twist any and everything to fit their agenda.

The post above about the very purpose of the 2A is why I cannot believe in gun control for in order to control guns one must allow the government to control guns, thus voiding the right all-together.

Okay, now that I have chimed in on this go ahead and someone remind us how annoyed they are and to get back on topic.....:)
 

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... is it possible the USC has been changed recently? ...

It looks like lawful purposes are exempt from prohibition, goes against everything I have known up until this point. Did I get the wrong Cite?

The exception has always been there, that I know of, but it is widely, ahem, assumed, that you will wind up defending it in court, hopefully with agreeable circumstances.

I doubt open carry would be a pleasant day, but if concealing, you can decide if you wish to run the risk of what would happen IF you got caught.
 

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If they can decide any request they make is a "lawful order," they can decide any purpose for which you are carrying is not a "lawful purpose."
 
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Disarmed at the McCarran rental car building

Had to disarm today at the rental car place in Henderson. Security guard told me that McCarran airport rents the building to the rental car companies and that the building is a federal building. I asked him since when did McCarran Airport become a federal entity since I was just at the McCarran airport itself open carrying with no issues. He then showed me his employee badge stating that he works for the McCarran. He then told me that I just didn't get noticed when I carried at the airport. Then my mom chimed in "she picked me up with that gun so what's the problem?!" (oh mom...gotta love her but she wasn't helping. lol) I told him that I was passed by Metro officers and security at the airport with no issues.
He then proceeded to tell me that he belongs to the NRA and that he supports gun rights. So I replied that this is NOT a NRA issue but a Nevada law issue.
To make a long story short...my bladder was weakening so I disarmed. Luckily my brother and son was in the other car so my weapon was secure.
 

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Jeannette;2074498 To make a long story short...my bladder was weakening so I disarmed. Luckily my brother and son was in the other car so my weapon was secure.[/QUOTE said:
Did you get a name or some sort of have badge number? Anyone want to go rent a car?
 

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Had to disarm today at the rental car place in Henderson. Security guard told me that McCarran airport rents the building to the rental car companies and that the building is a federal building. I asked him since when did McCarran Airport become a federal entity since I was just at the McCarran airport itself open carrying with no issues. He then showed me his employee badge stating that he works for the McCarran. He then told me that I just didn't get noticed when I carried at the airport. Then my mom chimed in "she picked me up with that gun so what's the problem?!" (oh mom...gotta love her but she wasn't helping. lol) I told him that I was passed by Metro officers and security at the airport with no issues.
He then proceeded to tell me that he belongs to the NRA and that he supports gun rights. So I replied that this is NOT a NRA issue but a Nevada law issue.
To make a long story short...my bladder was weakening so I disarmed. Luckily my brother and son was in the other car so my weapon was secure.

Yea and the guard was wrong. It is not illegal to open carry in an airport or any building of an airport like it is to conceal carry. It is only illegal to open carry in the secured area of an airport - past the metal detectors.

I've had to remind my friend that owns a flight school in Henderson. His school is on airport property - a public airport. As such, it is illegal to conceal carry, NOT illegal to open carry. And since there is NO security checkpoints he can oc all the way to the runway and into the aircraft if he wishes. Just not cc in any building on airport property.

Btw, I have made it a point to open carry all the way to baggage claim at LAS when picking up folks. Again - legal.

Oh and if the guard was trying the "federal building" thing, that doesn't hold up either as it MUST be a building where federal employees go about there daily business. Hence the secured area of an airport. The rental car agency is not a federal employee business and no matter who owns the building, it comes down to who occupies it.
 
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On that federal building note: I have also made it a point to do my US Mail business at a nearby gas station that leases out part of the building to the USPS. The same employees that man the gas station register also man the postal part. However, I make it a point to walk up to the postal counter while not touching it and then hand my package or money to my unarmed wife who then hands it to the clerk. And when the wife is not there, I will hand items to the clerk before they step behind the counter. Technically, at the point they hand me back my change or receipt and they are behind the postal counter and I reach to it to retrieve my items, I am breaking the law. But talk about taking it to the fraction of the fact.

Silly laws deserve silly responses.

And for those of you that are thinking the law is broken at the point they are treated as federal employees (me handing them my $ and items as postal workers) not so. It is not illegal to do business with federal employees while you are armed. Only to be armed in their lair.
 

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...I've had to remind my friend that owns a flight school in Henderson. His school is on airport property - a public airport. As such, it is illegal to conceal carry, NOT illegal to open carry. And since there is NO security checkpoints he can oc all the way to the runway and into the aircraft if he wishes. Just not cc in any building on airport property...

Depends. Nevada law specifies that it has to be a public building on the property of a public airport. If his building is separate from the public (government) buildings, the law prohibiting concealed carry does not apply.
 

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Had to disarm today at the rental car place in Henderson. Security guard told me that McCarran airport rents the building to the rental car companies and that the building is a federal building. I asked him since when did McCarran Airport become a federal entity since I was just at the McCarran airport itself open carrying with no issues. He then showed me his employee badge stating that he works for the McCarran. He then told me that I just didn't get noticed when I carried at the airport. Then my mom chimed in "she picked me up with that gun so what's the problem?!" (oh mom...gotta love her but she wasn't helping. lol) I told him that I was passed by Metro officers and security at the airport with no issues.
He then proceeded to tell me that he belongs to the NRA and that he supports gun rights. So I replied that this is NOT a NRA issue but a Nevada law issue.
To make a long story short...my bladder was weakening so I disarmed. Luckily my brother and son was in the other car so my weapon was secure.

The "Barrny Fife" is an idiot and hasn't a clue. He was just trying to bully you.
 

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Depends. Nevada law specifies that it has to be a public building on the property of a public airport. If his building is separate from the public (government) buildings, the law prohibiting concealed carry does not apply.

Correct. I did not specify that his school is in the terminal. My bad. But I told him THAT is why he can't legally cc in his own business.
 
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I went to my local Vapor shop today to pick up my supplies, and much to my surprise there were two other guys in the shop open carrying! I chatted with them for a little bit and found out that they are relatively new to open carry. I told them to check out this site since they had a couple of concerns about OC. Hopefully they pop up!
 

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I went to my local Vapor shop today to pick up my supplies, and much to my surprise there were two other guys in the shop open carrying! I chatted with them for a little bit and found out that they are relatively new to open carry. I told them to check out this site since they had a couple of concerns about OC. Hopefully they pop up!


Was this VaporhouseLV? They are an open carry friendly Vapor shop. Great place. Alot of the guys who shop and work there are open carriers.
 

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Was this VaporhouseLV? They are an open carry friendly Vapor shop. Great place. Alot of the guys who shop and work there are open carriers.
No it was at the vegas vapor emporium. But these two guys said they both worked at another shop, so maybe they are thebsame guys?
 
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