May I suggest a different choice of words when referencing one's firearm?

[davidmcbeth]

My weapon ( I named it 'George') has never threatened anybody.
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Wrong forum AK ... you need the sex hotline ...

 

[Brimstone Baritone]

BUNKY. i would like to point out that the term weapon is the word that means to Kill or to do extreme damage to a human being.

Weapon- verb, to Kill or to do extreme damage to a human being. Huh. That's a new one on me. "Officer, that man tried to weapon me with that firearm!"

I don't know where you came from, papa bear, but it just lends further weight to my original statement that this does not belong in the Alabama forum.

i hope that i never have to shoot another person again. my present carry firearm never has, one of the arguments i use for the anti's is that i will bet you a 1,000$ that if i lay my firearm on the table it will never jump up and shoot somebody

That's funny. No amount of money would get me to unholster my weapon unless I was in immediate fear of my life. Seems kinda reckless to be making bets like that to me. Someone might think you were threatening them.

i carry because i want to be prepared to stop a threat on my, or someone close to me, life. i will only shoot to stop the threat, and only the amount of shots it takes to stop the threat.

And what makes you think I'm any different? Because I'm not afraid to use the word Weapon? Weapon! Weaponweaponweapon! Scared you, didn't I? A weapon is a tool that can be used for offense or defense. It's what you do with it that matters.

 

[BB62]

The media and [so-called] law enforcement always refer to firearms of any type as "weapons." The term weapon, at least to my ears and I suspect the majority of the brainwashed masses, tends to connote an item used in an offensive nature as opposed to a defensive nature. A weapon sounds menacing...

I agree, and I suggest the same to my students.

 

[MAC702]

When you are playing baseball, a bat is a bat.
When you keep it behind the door of your apartment, the bat is a weapon.

When you are target shooting with your kids, your 1911 pistol is a firearm.
When you are carrying it on your hip when you leave the house, it is a weapon.

When a knife opens a cardboard box on your night job, it is a tool.
When you keep it in your pocket on your way to the bus stop at 4AM after your shift, it is a weapon.

The job defines the tool.

Why has this thread existed so long?

 

[Merlin]

Why has this thread existed so long?

Because the real point of discussion here is whether the OC community, or 2a in general, benefits from trying to influence the perception of firearms by the general public.

It has been interesting to see both sides of the discussion, after all, that's what discussion forums are for.

I for one agree that part of achieving the goals of OCDO (to normalize OC) is to influence perception, and that language and terminology can be a big part of that. Its not for everyone, but as a result of this thread, I have been making a concerted effort to use terms that I feel are more precise, and have a positive connotation WRT lay perception.

Much like I have always rejected the term "Assault Weapon". It is used to incite a knee-jerk response from the public. It behooves us to not let the anti's define the terminology. To me, the term weapon is most commonly used in legalese to define what I can't have in certain places, and implies an intended nefarious use. Firearm does not. I know, I know, its not gonna jump off the table. Yer preachin' to the choir. But we are talking public perception here.

So, to answer your question, that is why this thread still lives, because it is an interesting topic of discussion!

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[papa bear]

good post MERLIN

 

[RockyMtnTraveler]

a full 180°

... A weapon sounds menacing. Might I suggest that we use the term "firearm"

Why not do a full 180° and call your weapon something cuddly and adorable ...

...I call mine "Winnie the Pooh-maker" :banana:

 

[MAC702]

I keep my tools in the truck when not used for a job at hand. I keep my weapon at my side.

If it wasn't a weapon, I wouldn't lug it around all day. I've little tolerance for word games.

I understand why the thread has been going on, I was hoping I could ask rhetorically.

 

[MAC702]

......I call mine "Winnie the Pooh-maker" :banana:

A literal LOL is quite rare, so thank you for that one!

 

[RockyMtnTraveler]

A literal LOL is quite rare, so thank you for that one!

Thanks for saying that - it's always nice to know somebody has a good sense of humor too.

Hey MAC, I read a couple of your posts from earlier and saw you have pretty extensive gun law know-how on Utah. I just took the Utah CCW and am expecting my permit from BCI sometime late Oct. Meantime I'm heading to Yellowstone via Wyoming, then Montana and Idaho. Was hoping to OC since I can't CC, but am confused by some verbiage that I've been reading. Those 3 states allow open carry, by it's unclear if that only for residents, or if non-rez can also carry, and if UOC or LOC? If you know that, do you also know how they define loaded/unloaded - anything like UT ?

thanks much

 

[MAC702]

My expertise is limited to Arizona, Nevada, and Utah; the three states where I own land. While I carry in those other states, I'm not going to be authoritative on the details of their laws. I know the WY no-permit-required-to-conceal was for residents only, but they still recognize the permits from over 30 other states for visitors. I'm not aware of any restrictions to open carry in those states, but have not been hassled while doing so, either, though I am not a frequent visitor. I do know that the individual forums here on OCDO for those states will get you accurate information very quickly.

 

[RockyMtnTraveler]

"the individual forums here on OCDO for those states will get you accurate information very quickly."


Thanks for letting me know. I'm new today to to OCdO, are the individual forums different from this sort of forum? I did put out the question on a post that I started, but so far no reply. No worries, I'm sure I'll get it squared away before I go.

Do you have a training facility in Utah? I'm in Park City.

 

[MAC702]

...are the individual forums different from this sort of forum? I did put out the question on a post that I started, but so far no reply. No worries, I'm sure I'll get it squared away before I go.

Do you have a training facility in Utah? I'm in Park City.

Start a thread (or find one that already addresses the issue) in EACH state's forum for which you need the answer: http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?76-Stories-From-The-States. These forums are part of this website, just organized to keep each state's unique laws and cultures and their experts together.

I don't have a UT training facility. My specialty is one-on-one instruction, most "classroom" being done at a student's home or office. Range time is at mutually convenient outdoor ranges, usually one of the private clubs in Clark County, NV, where most of my business is. My UT property is at the south end of the state, Iron County. But it's not a publicly known place...

 

[OC for ME]

If you want to control the definitions used in the "gun" debate get your own big time network and control the definitions. Until you can get control of the "vehicle" trying to get where you wanna go is pretty pointless.

Who cares what you call it, the "media" ain't gunna use your words unless they slip up and "quote" you directly.

NEXT!

 

[Merlin]

If you want to control the definitions used in the "gun" debate get your own big time network and control the definitions. Until you can get control of the "vehicle" trying to get where you wanna go is pretty pointless.

Who cares what you call it, the "media" ain't gunna use your words unless they slip up and "quote" you directly.

NEXT!

Yeah, you're right. A few thousand reasonably articulate firearms rights enthusiasts have no chance of influencing the dialog on a national level.

Wait, why are we here again?



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[OrangeIsTrouble]

I call my pow pow: a pow pow. Simple enough.





Sidearm sounds good too though and I do use it

 

[LkWd_Don]

The media and [so-called] law enforcement always refer to firearms of any type as "weapons." The term weapon, at least to my ears and I suspect the majority of the brainwashed masses, tends to connote an item used in an offensive nature as opposed to a defensive nature. A weapon sounds menacing.

Might I suggest that we use the term "firearm" when referencing those items we own that are best characterized as "firearms?" I'm not sure when and where the term weapon came into play in describing what we know as firearms, but I'm certain is was calculated to elicit a specific response in those people who hear that term. A negative one at that.

Furthermore, using an opponent's terms to define us and our property can never be a good thing. Just a thought I've had for some time that I'd throw out for consideration.

Others can call it whatever they want. For me, I have my Everyday Defensive Carry or EDC that I openly carry daily and then I have an occasional defensive carry, a concealable personal protection defensive device that I carry when going in someplace where I can not OC.

 

[Deliveryboi]

I think I'll call mine 'George'.

I call mine Danielle, long story xP.

In all seriousness tho, this is a good point he's made. I already refer to firearms as eh... firearms. But its something that someone needs to slap across the face of the media a few thousand times to get the picture.

 

[MAC702]

"Firearm" implies fire, a violent expansion of hot gases used to propel a dangerous object. Surely we would not want such a negative connotation!

 

[CaptainDanny]

The media and [so-called] law enforcement always refer to firearms of any type as "weapons." The term weapon, at least to my ears and I suspect the majority of the brainwashed masses, tends to connote an item used in an offensive nature as opposed to a defensive nature. A weapon sounds menacing.

Might I suggest that we use the term "firearm" when referencing those items we own that are best characterized as "firearms?" I'm not sure when and where the term weapon came into play in describing what we know as firearms, but I'm certain is was calculated to elicit a specific response in those people who hear that term. A negative one at that.

Furthermore, using an opponent's terms to define us and our property can never be a good thing. Just a thought I've had for some time that I'd throw out for consideration.

I have always felt like I can call it whatever I want and if there are a few idiots that think they can make a big deal over it I have a prepared statement that I feel appropriate. It is because I think that if you give an inch they will take a mile. Anyway, I ask them if they have ever heard of the constitution and the 2nd amendment and then say:
Inalienable Rights - You can't take them away. You can't change them - You get no opinion on them on account of their mine!