mark kelly straw purchase ar15?

[matt2636]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XfCRZIxknfs

hopefully the link works. listen to what he says. "having no intention of keeping the gun" uuummm isnt that a straw purchase? which is against federal law. or is this going to be another david gregory ordeal?? he should be arrested.

 

[shastadude17]

I believe it's only a straw purchase if your intent is to transfer it to someone who otherwise would be prohibited from owning that firearm.

That being said, I wish this oath violating piece of work would take he and his wife's second chance at living a full life together, and go retire somewhere quiet and out of the limelight.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

For the umpteenth time, I'm tired of morons throwing the term "straw purchase" around! It's only a freakin' straw purcahse if he was contracted by a another party to buy the gun, buying a gun to give to someone is a gift and it's allowed! It says so ON THE FREAKIN' 4473 ITSELF!!!!

If you have a question ask it, don't go accusing other people of committing a crime when you were too lazy to look up the law or ask what it is!

 

[eye95]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XfCRZIxknfs

hopefully the link works. listen to what he says. "having no intention of keeping the gun" uuummm isnt that a straw purchase? which is against federal law. or is this going to be another david gregory ordeal?? he should be arrested.

It is not a straw purchase unless you are buying it on behalf of another person. Once you own the firearm, you may do with it what you please as long as you don't transfer it knowingly (or with reason to believe) to a prohibited person. Specifically, it sounds like he plans to "gift" the firearm. Purchasing a firearm with the explicit intent to gift it is absolutely legal.

What bothers me more is when a politician says he "supports the 2A." That is almost a sure indication that he does not. Folks who actually respect the Right usually say that they support "the individual Right to Keep and Bear Arms." BTW, he does not support the 2A. An AR-15 is precisely the kind of firearm that it protects: the individually carried arm that one can use for ordinary civilian purposes (such as, but not limited to, personal defense and hunting), but can become their militia weapon in pinch.

Oh, and his bit about the AR-15 being designed for the military: I'll bet the .45 he wants to keep was designed for military use.

Oh, and does he realize that his wife's shooter was stopped by a carrier? Ask the guy who saved his wife's life what he thinks about AR-15s.

If he doesn't want to be able to fully defend himself (or his wife), that is his choice. It is despicable that he wants to enforce that choice on the rest of us. That is a despotic POV--and the one that ironically provides the underlying reason for the 2A.

 

[matt2636]

For the umpteenth time, I'm tired of morons throwing the term "straw purchase" around! It's only a freakin' straw purcahse if he was contracted by a another party to buy the gun, buying a gun to give to someone is a gift and it's allowed! It says so ON THE FREAKIN' 4473 ITSELF!!!!

If you have a question ask it, don't go accusing other people of committing a crime when you were too lazy to look up the law or ask what it is!

thank you for replying like a little girl. he was purchasing the gun WITH THE INTENT of giving it to the pd he didnt use the word "gift" so its not a straw purchase? ok fine but its one way around the back round check if hes "gifting" it to someone who isnt immediate family.

 

[EMNofSeattle]

thank you for replying like a little girl. he was purchasing the gun WITH THE INTENT of giving it to the pd he didnt use the word "gift" so its not a straw purchase? ok fine but its one way around the back round check if hes "gifting" it to someone who isnt immediate family.

yes when you buy a gun AS A GIFT you INTEND to give it to them. a gift is not a straw purchase. The ATF even states on 4473 form that that purchasing a firearm WITH THE INTENT of GIVING IT to someone eligible to recieve it is not a straw purchase, and that you may answer that you are the actual buyer.

there is no requirement that the person you give it to must be immediate family, also nothing in federal law in anyway restricts giving a firearm to an agent of the government. you accused Mr. Kelley of committing a felony when he is at most a hypocrite. if you are making the claim he violated a law YOU MUST CITE WHICH LAW is being violated.

 

[eye95]

The reason that gifting is not a straw purchase is that the person completing the transaction pays for the firearm without expectation of the person to whom he gifts it paying him back. If he expects to get his money back, it is a straw purchase.

Would you rather that federal law not allow you to buy a gun for the purpose of giving it as a gift???


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[palerider116]

thank you for replying like a little girl. he was purchasing the gun WITH THE INTENT of giving it to the pd he didnt use the word "gift" so its not a straw purchase? ok fine but its one way around the back round check if hes "gifting" it to someone who isnt immediate family.

The PD is prohibited from owning the firearm, another element required in the straw purchase.

I apologize if I answered like a little girl.

 

[OC for ME]

The .45 was specifically designed to meet a requirement for a "automatic reloading" pistol to replace the many revolvers in use by the military at the turn of the 20th century. The M1911 won the job.

Mr. Kelly did not conduct a straw purchase if reports of his firearm purchase are true. Mr. Kelly is a liberal, is anti-liberty, and anti-citizen.

 

[March Hare]

Mr. Kelly is what I call a '2A but' person; 'I support the Second Amendment, but... '
As we all know, nothing counts before the 'but'.

He got caught buying himself a goody and had to scramble to come up with a very thin excuse.

-MH

 

[carracer]

Reading that he had the pic taken of himself so he could post on facebook about the ease of purchasing. I would like the one that took the pic to confirm or deny that statement.

He's doing a good job of damage control. I don't believe his statement for a second.

 

[davidmcbeth]

For the umpteenth time, I'm tired of morons throwing the term "straw purchase" around! It's only a freakin' straw purcahse if he was contracted by a another party to buy the gun, buying a gun to give to someone is a gift and it's allowed!

That's correct ... he can give the gun to me

 

[zack991]

I say let the "experts" figure it out

Report Violators
If you believe a illegal purchase may have been attempted you may want to report these individuals to the local ATF office. Or, you may call the ATF hotline at 1-800-ATF-GUNS.

 

[77zach]

Sometimes I hear pro rights people say why the democrats, "liberals", etc hate guns. Many times they do not hate guns. They love guns. They just want to be the only ones that have them. Because they think they're special. Or they are planning to victimize you. Mark Kelly is a prime example.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...liar-a-hypocrite-and-a-gun-lover/#more-209347

Mr. Kelly likes his guns, and it's amusing to try and watch him wiggle out of his lies.

 

[shastadude17]

Oh, and does he realize that his wife's shooter was stopped by a carrier? Ask the guy who saved his wife's life what he thinks about AR-15s.

If I recall correctly, the shooter was not stopped by a carrier, but tackled by a member of the congress woman's staff and others in the crowd when he attempted to reload, and an armed citizen in a nearby building who heard the shots, came running outside and assisted in keeping the shooter subdued until law enforcement arrived. My memory is a bit rusty, but that's what I remember reading. The real tragedy in this whole story, is that just prior to the shooting, Arizona passed constitutional carry. I'm really surprised that the antigunners never made a big deal about that though.

 

[Ca Patriot]

What if Kelly turns the gun in for cash or value at a gun buy back ?