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Link Transit bans open carry in violation of Washington State law - Action Item!

Mike

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https://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2016/jan/19/link-bans-open-carry-of-firearms-concealed-carry-ok/

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Link bans open carry of firearms; concealed carry OK

by Pete O'Cainstaff writer Jan. 19, 2016, 5:19 p.m.
Business, Public Safety

WENATCHEE — Last summer, a Link Transit passenger was carrying a BB gun wrapped in a sweatshirt, and made other passengers uncomfortable.

The incident prompted Link board of directors to reexamine its policy and on Tuesday ban the open carry of firearms, including rifles.
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Break

Link Transit appears to be a creation and extension of local government(s) in this area of Washington state, see http://www.linktransit.com/more-link/about/about-link-transit, and board of directors from localities at http://www.linktransit.com/more-link/board-of-directors.

However Washington has a preemption statute providing that "Cities, towns, and counties or other municipalities may enact only those laws and ordinances relating to firearms that are specifically authorized by state law, as in RCW 9.41.300." A quick look at RCW 9.41.300 finds that Link transit's new regulations banning open carry are NOT authorized by RCW 9.41.300.

Link Transit's actions appear unlawful and without the force of law.

Note: "RCW 9.41.290, State preemption.
The state of Washington hereby fully occupies and preempts the entire field of firearms regulation within the boundaries of the state, including the registration, licensing, possession, purchase, sale, acquisition, transfer, discharge, and transportation of firearms, or any other element relating to firearms or parts thereof, including ammunition and reloader components. Cities, towns, and counties or other municipalities may enact only those laws and ordinances relating to firearms that are specifically authorized by state law, as in RCW 9.41.300, and are consistent with this chapter. Such local ordinances shall have the same penalty as provided for by state law. Local laws and ordinances that are inconsistent with, more restrictive than, or exceed the requirements of state law shall not be enacted and are preempted and repealed, regardless of the nature of the code, charter, or home rule status of such city, town, county, or municipality.
[1994 sp.s. c 7 § 428; 1985 c 428 § 1; 1983 c 232 § 12.]"

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Suggested Action: Email webmaster@linktransit.com with a short but direct email - example follows:

Dear Link Transit executives:

I object to your recent ban on the open carry of firearms on the Link system because your action violates the Washington state constitution which provides that "The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired."

Moreover, your regulation specifically violates long standing statutory law at RCW 9.41.290, State preemption; additionally, Link transit's new regulations banning open carry are NOT authorized by RCW 9.41.300.

I'm telling you what I'm going to do - I'm going to open carry on linktransit.com every chance I get.

Please let me know what YOU are going to do.

Sincerely,

YOUR NAME
YOUR TOWN
 
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rightwinglibertarian

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https://www.wenatcheeworld.com/news/2016/jan/19/link-bans-open-carry-of-firearms-concealed-carry-ok/

SNIP

Link bans open carry of firearms; concealed carry OK

by Pete O'Cainstaff writer Jan. 19, 2016, 5:19 p.m.
Business, Public Safety

WENATCHEE — Last summer, a Link Transit passenger was carrying a BB gun wrapped in a sweatshirt, and made other passengers uncomfortable.

The incident prompted Link board of directors to reexamine its policy and on Tuesday ban the open carry of firearms, including rifles.
. . .

Break

Link Transit appears to be a creation and extension of local government(s) in this area of Washington state, see http://www.linktransit.com/more-link/about/about-link-transit, and board of directors from localities at http://www.linktransit.com/more-link/board-of-directors.

However Washington has a preemption statute providing that "Cities, towns, and counties or other municipalities may enact only those laws and ordinances relating to firearms that are specifically authorized by state law, as in RCW 9.41.300." A quick look at RCW 9.41.300 finds that Link transit's new regulations banning open carry are NOT authorized by RCW 9.41.300.

Link Transit's actions appear unlawful and without the force of law.

Note: "RCW 9.41.290, State preemption.
The state of Washington hereby fully occupies and preempts the entire field of firearms regulation within the boundaries of the state, including the registration, licensing, possession, purchase, sale, acquisition, transfer, discharge, and transportation of firearms, or any other element relating to firearms or parts thereof, including ammunition and reloader components. Cities, towns, and counties or other municipalities may enact only those laws and ordinances relating to firearms that are specifically authorized by state law, as in RCW 9.41.300, and are consistent with this chapter. Such local ordinances shall have the same penalty as provided for by state law. Local laws and ordinances that are inconsistent with, more restrictive than, or exceed the requirements of state law shall not be enacted and are preempted and repealed, regardless of the nature of the code, charter, or home rule status of such city, town, county, or municipality.
[1994 sp.s. c 7 § 428; 1985 c 428 § 1; 1983 c 232 § 12.]"

##########

Suggested Action: Email webmaster@linktransit.com with a short but direct email - example follows:

Dear Link Transit executives:

I object to your recent ban on the open carry of firearms on the Link system because your action violates the Washington state constitution which provides that "The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired."

Moreover, your regulation specifically violates long standing statutory law at RCW 9.41.290, State preemption; additionally, Link transit's new regulations banning open carry are NOT authorized by RCW 9.41.300.

I'm telling you what I'm going to do - I'm going to open carry on linktransit.com every chance I get.

Please let me know what YOU are going to do.

Sincerely,

YOUR NAME
YOUR TOWN


Doo you have a better link to this? it's one of these premium sites that doesnt give you everything. I'll have to go and target them online and demand they cease and desist this illegal action.

I'd suggest a few of us go and OC but previous attempts have failed to get any meaningful interest. Shame really. They'll probably get away with this and we're going to let them.
 

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Doo you have a better link to this? it's one of these premium sites that doesnt give you everything. I'll have to go and target them online and demand they cease and desist this illegal action.

I'd suggest a few of us go and OC but previous attempts have failed to get any meaningful interest. Shame really. They'll probably get away with this and we're going to let them.
If I lived there, I would OC on that transit system. Because I don't live there, getting arrested over there and going to court over there would cost me too much at this time.

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Don't allow yourself to be taken. Don't answer to anyone. A right is a right and you don't have to explain yourself. Washington has no duty to retreat as far as I know so you have the right to defend yourself from all attempts at criminal behavior.

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RCW 9.41.290
State preemption.
The state of Washington hereby fully occupies and preempts the entire field of firearms regulation within the boundaries of the state, including the registration, licensing, possession, purchase, sale, acquisition, transfer, discharge, and transportation of firearms, or any other element relating to firearms or parts thereof, including ammunition and reloader components. Cities, towns, and counties or other municipalities may enact only those laws and ordinances relating to firearms that are specifically authorized by state law, as in RCW 9.41.300, and are consistent with this chapter. Such local ordinances shall have the same penalty as provided for by state law. Local laws and ordinances that are inconsistent with, more restrictive than, or exceed the requirements of state law shall not be enacted and are preempted and repealed, regardless of the nature of the code, charter, or home rule status of such city, town, county, or municipality.


RCW 35.58.272
Public transportation systems—Definitions.
"Municipality" as used in *RCW 35.58.272 through 35.58.279, as now or hereafter amended, and in RCW 36.57.080, 36.57.100, 36.57.110, 35.58.2721, 35.58.2794, and chapter 36.57A RCW, means any metropolitan municipal corporation which shall have been authorized to perform the function of metropolitan public transportation; any county performing the public transportation function as authorized by RCW 36.57.100 and 36.57.110 or which has established a county transportation authority pursuant to chapter 36.57 RCW; any public transportation benefit area established pursuant to chapter 36.57A RCW; and any city, which is not located within the boundaries of a metropolitan municipal corporation unless provided otherwise in RCW 35.21.925 and 36.73.180, county transportation authority, or public transportation benefit area, and which owns, operates or contracts for the services of a publicly owned or operated system of transportation: PROVIDED, That the term "municipality" shall mean in respect to any county performing the public transportation function pursuant to RCW 36.57.100 and 36.57.110 only that portion of the unincorporated area lying wholly within such unincorporated transportation benefit area.

About Link Transit

In October of 1988 a group of Wenatchee's political and business leaders met together at the request of the Wenatchee Downtown Association to talk about the possibility of bringing public transit to the area. The response that day, to many people's surprise, was total enthusiasm! Those present talked about helping senior citizens, advancing tourism, and linking the communities together. It was the beginning step in the process of forming a public transit system.

A Special Transit Conference was held on March 14, 1989, and elected officials passed a resolution declaring the need for a two-county transit system. On November 21, 1989, after a series of public meetings, officials created a Public Transportation Benefit Area (PTBA), as authorized by Chapter 36.57A RCW. The original PTBA boundaries included all of Chelan County and the Eastmont and Waterville school districts in Douglas County.

On September 18, 1990, voters within the Public Transportation Benefit Area (PTBA) approved the sales tax increase with 54 percent of the vote. The new Chelan Douglas Public Transportation System was set-up with funding by a four-tenths of one- percent local sales tax, along with a sixty-three percent match from the Motor Vehicle Excise Tax.

In 1996, the voters in Douglas County Orondo School District area voted to annex into the PTBA increasing Link's service area to 3,500 square miles.


By their own admission, they are a municipality and thus are subject to state preemption. They have no authority to create any rules or regulations that are contrary to or more restrictive then established state law. These new rules/regulation are preempted and repealed at their inception, thus null and void. If anyone is arrested and charged, then sue. Plain and simple.
 

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The link to the board packet with the resolution banning open carry.

It's humorous, really. They specifically allow firearms to be carried in manners " . . . not otherwise prohibited by law." Then further down they cut-and-pasted the 9.41.270 language, then right below that is the new language banning open carry.
 

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Off body carrying not allowed

I was browsing through the Link Transit website & found the following:

Bags or luggage which riders bring on board may not contain any harmful or potentially dangerous substances such as fuel, explosives,corrosive materials, loaded weapons, etc. even if they are in a proper carrying container.

Source: Link Transit Carry-On Policy

Link Transit needs to be notified about RCW 9.91.025 Unlawful Transit Conduct

In particular, they should look at (1)(f):

(1) A person is guilty of unlawful transit conduct if, while on or in a transit vehicle or in or at a transit station, he or she knowingly: (f) Carries any flammable liquid, explosive, acid, or other article or material likely to cause harm to others, except that nothing herein prevents a person from carrying a cigarette, cigar, or pipe lighter or carrying a firearm or ammunition in a way that is not otherwise prohibited by law
 
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mnrobitaille

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Who is this mythical 'someone' to whom you refer to who needs to notify Link Transit???
Why not notify them yourself?

Your rights are only as good as the rights of others you defend.

Most municipalities will only listen to those that actually use their services. I rarely go to Wenatchee, also I rarely use any form of mass transit.
 

JoeArc

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Most municipalities will only listen to those that actually use their services. I rarely go to Wenatchee, also I rarely use any form of mass transit.

While I would agree that locus standii is required to bring suit against the municipality, writing a simple letter does not.

As a citizen within the state of Washington and someone who is concerned with the incorrect application of firearm laws in excess of legal authority - which Link Transit appears to be in violation - good citizenship demands that you, as a good neighbor, nicely point this out so that there isn't any confusion. That you would hate to waste Washingtonian taxpayer dollars - which you pay - if and when someone with standing does bring suit on an already settled and clear application of the law.

Of course, taking the path of ' they aren't taking MY rights away, so it doesn't impact me' is a common approach to rights, so I understand the, albeit completely illogical, point of view.
 

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Now I believe I, and a few of my well armed friends, will be at the Wenatchee State park in a few months. I think we need to do a "field trip" that will require a "mass transit" route. Anyone want to travel with me?
Yes.
hadji
 

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A friend of mine is a bus driver for them. He says the most popular bus route is between Wenache and Leavenworth.
 
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