LEO issues

[sudden valley gunner]

I don't see why everyone is giving this guy a hard time. We don't all see eye to eye, but he's coming here saying he's trying to support us, even though his state/area doesn't support him or us...

Cops don't make the laws.

In your recently posted incident you recorded the officers making up laws as he goes along.:lol:

 

[amlevin]

In your recently posted incident you recorded the officers making up laws as he goes along.:lol:

I think part of what TW is saying is that they all don't behave like that and the other half of the problem is the "zimmo's" that make the laws.

Cops that misbehave SHOULD be roasted but those that don't should be given some credit.

 

[slowfiveoh]

I am quite bummed to be honest.

I tried to have a rational, non-emotive conversation with the self proclaimed "officer".

He immediately took my commentary and twisted it like I had asked some form of "question", which if you go back to my post, I did not.

I think the major beef with the guy, is that he kowtows entirely to his superiors, citing voter negligence as the problem with enforcement of unconstitutional law.

It is massive deflection, and shows a lack of personal integrity and courage.

 

[MR Redenck]

hello, iv'e been reading the forums for a while and came to the conclusion that many of the users have some sort of problem with LEO's. Almost as if there is a resentment towards them. Is this true, if so why?

To the origional Post.
I dont think anyone on here just simply " hates" the cops.
Many people on here including myself have experianced the "bad" cop problem.
Most people on here respect the law and that's why the LE topics get started. When people get harassed by the law when they are simply obeying the law, it creates negativity.
We dont live in a perfect world as you probably already know. There are some cops out there who dont give a crap about your rights. It's not the citizen that creates these negative issues, it the bad cops that dont respect the citizens.
I promise you, No memeber on this site has every walked out of his or her house looking for a cop to harass. I personally have some very good friends who are law officers. I even have a friend who is a Texas Ranger.
I respect the law, I just dont need the law harassing me no more than anyone else does.

 

[ronmanci]

I don't believe he's a cop. I think he watched Lethal Weapon 1 too many times.

If he is a cop, have Morris from Glocktalk vet him and vouch for him. I'd trust Morris to shoot straight.

Thats the problem, your so out of touch with police work you can't possibly believe that we are doing any good. Your life is a fanstsy like the movies.

This is my movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3JT1J1Ppqs

 

[Deanimator]

Thats the problem, your so out of touch with police work you can't possibly believe that we are doing any good. Your life is a fanstsy like the movies.

So, how long was Jon Burge a cop?
How long has Alvin Weems been a cop? A detective?

The only "fantasy" is your howler that bad cops aren't around long.

For extra credit, explain how perjury regarding the torture chamber Burge ran could NOT be work related.

 

[HandyHamlet]

your so out of touch with police work you can't possibly believe that we are doing any good

You would be mistaken to think this. It is quite the opposite. With the Internet and the ever increasing availability of cameras the public has never been more in touch with the police.

And the public is appalled by the behavior of some civil servants.

 

[BigDave]

There is enough hot air in here to fill a 1000 Hot Air Balloons.

There is anti Leo sentiment in here by a hand full and never if seldom speak of anything positive toward any law enforcement.

There are also those in here that are in the fanatic arena and preach absolute when there is no absolute in our world.

Each of us have our beliefs and some will be more restrictive to less but to shove it down someones throat is another issue.

There is a huge difference between an Officer enforcing a law as required by his employment then to making up laws as they go along, to wrap all into one nice little bundle is immature.

Any Officer serving the Public has my respect until such time he/she has done something to take that trust away, not as a group.

This thread should have been locked, torn up and flushed twice.

 

[Bobarino]

I can't believe I took the time to read all of this thread. But now that I have invested that much time in it, I might as well invest a little more and write a reply so....

Ronmanci,

There's several reasons that you're not making any headway with some of the forum members. You seem to be in a cycle of contradicting yourself, and touting yourself as some kind of hero.

Let's start with the contradictions. When you're our there enforcing laws that even you don't agree with, you use the excuses "just doing my job" and "just following orders", which in and of itself is a sellout not only to yourself but also to your fellow citizens and yes even your fellow Marines who fight for the very rights that you claim to support, but will violate if those are your orders, as long as you're getting paid.

And yet, you turn around and tell us about your heroism in chasing down a murderer and arrest him. Well aren't you "just doing my job" and "just following orders" then? Why do you expect accolades for doing your job? You can't have it both ways. Either you're a hero all the time, including when you're enforcing laws you disagree with, or violating someone's 4th Amendment rights, or you're "just doing my job" and "just following orders" when you risk your life and take down the bad guys. You don't get to be the hero for busting the bad guy because THAT'S WHAT WE PAY YOU TO DO. If you were Batman and did it on your own dime and own time because you want to fight for justice, then ya, hero. Cop =/= hero. Cop = civil servant that is paid to catch criminals, maintain order, and investigate crimes.

Now lets address that heroism. Your burning car scenario also doesn't make you a hero. I like to think that anyone on this site would do the same if they saw a person in a burning car. I don't consider that the act of a hero cop, I consider that an act of humanity that should be done regardless of what your job is. I would surely do the same for you if I saw you in that predicament. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that even DavePro2A would pull you out of your burning squad car if he came across that scene. He's not saving a cop, he's saving a person. I'd like to think that even if you weren't a cop, you'd still pull someone out of a burning car. And I hope you would do it without the expectation of thanks and praise, but rather you would do it because you're a human, and they're a human, and it's just the right thing to do.

My last point on this is: true heroes don't have to tell anyone that they're heroes. The fact that you put yourself up on a pedestal looking for kudos tells me your motivations for being a cop are suspect at best. A real hero will deny ever being a hero and will not wax rhapsodic about his tales of heroism.

Remember, you CHOSE to do this job. You weren't drafted into it, you aren't doing it against your will. The danger you are put in on the job is YOUR CHOICE. You even say it makes you smile. If it's so dangerous, pick another job. Sorry man, but you don't get any special recognition from me for bravery or heroism for doing what you like to do, by and of your own accord. In fact, WE PAY YOU TO DO IT! So I fully EXPECT you to put yourself in danger.

Now, you've dodged questions, insulted members, belittled them, posted the same link to a story that doesn't even involve you saying "this is what I do" in a desperate reach for fame and glory, used circular logic, and sometimes no logic, all to defend an indefensible position.

I'm glad you're supposedly pro-gun, although frankly, I doubt it. If you were, you would be petitioning your elected officials to change those laws so you don't have to enforce them since you claim to disagree with them.

I'm also not anti-cop, but pro-citizen. I have friends that are cops, but I keep them at arm's length because I know they've seen their fellow cops break the law and they looked the other way. Just as I'm sure you have before. One of those friends invited me down to test to be a cop. He rescinded the invitation when I told him that would probably be a bad idea because badge or no, I'd arrest HIM if I ever saw him break the law. I wouldn't last 4 seconds as a cop because I'd probably get killed by one of them for exposing any corruption I'd see. I'm one of those crazy people that thinks that the law should be applied equally and that cops should be held to the same or higher standard as any other member of the community.

I really hope you don't sink to the level of the New Orleans police force did during the hurricane aftermath and defile the Constitutional rights that you swore to uphold, of the people you swore to protect and serve, and then say "just doing my job" and "just following orders".

Might I suggest you look into the Oath Keepers? www.oathkeepers.net

OATH KEEPERS: ORDERS WE WILL NOT OBEY

Click here to read full length version.

1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.

2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people

3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.

10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

So, in closing, since you refuse to acknowledge any error in your ways whatsoever, and only counter peoples' observations and reservations about you and/or your profession with snide remarks and telling them how much better you are than them, I won't be sad to see you go. Enjoy your new tattoo.

Bobby

 

[ronmanci]

I can't believe I took the time to read all of this thread. But now that I have invested that much time in it, I might as well invest a little more and write a reply so....

Ronmanci,

There's several reasons that you're not making any headway with some of the forum members. You seem to be in a cycle of contradicting yourself, and touting yourself as some kind of hero.

Let's start with the contradictions. When you're our there enforcing laws that even you don't agree with, you use the excuses "just doing my job" and "just following orders", which in and of itself is a sellout not only to yourself but also to your fellow citizens and yes even your fellow Marines who fight for the very rights that you claim to support, but will violate if those are your orders, as long as you're getting paid.

And yet, you turn around and tell us about your heroism in chasing down a murderer and arrest him. Well aren't you "just doing my job" and "just following orders" then? Why do you expect accolades for doing your job? You can't have it both ways. Either you're a hero all the time, including when you're enforcing laws you disagree with, or violating someone's 4th Amendment rights, or you're "just doing my job" and "just following orders" when you risk your life and take down the bad guys. You don't get to be the hero for busting the bad guy because THAT'S WHAT WE PAY YOU TO DO. If you were Batman and did it on your own dime and own time because you want to fight for justice, then ya, hero. Cop =/= hero. Cop = civil servant that is paid to catch criminals, maintain order, and investigate crimes.

Now lets address that heroism. Your burning car scenario also doesn't make you a hero. I like to think that anyone on this site would do the same if they saw a person in a burning car. I don't consider that the act of a hero cop, I consider that an act of humanity that should be done regardless of what your job is. I would surely do the same for you if I saw you in that predicament. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that even DavePro2A would pull you out of your burning squad car if he came across that scene. He's not saving a cop, he's saving a person. I'd like to think that even if you weren't a cop, you'd still pull someone out of a burning car. And I hope you would do it without the expectation of thanks and praise, but rather you would do it because you're a human, and they're a human, and it's just the right thing to do.

My last point on this is: true heroes don't have to tell anyone that they're heroes. The fact that you put yourself up on a pedestal looking for kudos tells me your motivations for being a cop are suspect at best. A real hero will deny ever being a hero and will not wax rhapsodic about his tales of heroism.

Remember, you CHOSE to do this job. You weren't drafted into it, you aren't doing it against your will. The danger you are put in on the job is YOUR CHOICE. You even say it makes you smile. If it's so dangerous, pick another job. Sorry man, but you don't get any special recognition from me for bravery or heroism for doing what you like to do, by and of your own accord. In fact, WE PAY YOU TO DO IT! So I fully EXPECT you to put yourself in danger.

Now, you've dodged questions, insulted members, belittled them, posted the same link to a story that doesn't even involve you saying "this is what I do" in a desperate reach for fame and glory, used circular logic, and sometimes no logic, all to defend an indefensible position.

I'm glad you're supposedly pro-gun, although frankly, I doubt it. If you were, you would be petitioning your elected officials to change those laws so you don't have to enforce them since you claim to disagree with them.

I'm also not anti-cop, but pro-citizen. I have friends that are cops, but I keep them at arm's length because I know they've seen their fellow cops break the law and they looked the other way. Just as I'm sure you have before. One of those friends invited me down to test to be a cop. He rescinded the invitation when I told him that would probably be a bad idea because badge or no, I'd arrest HIM if I ever saw him break the law. I wouldn't last 4 seconds as a cop because I'd probably get killed by one of them for exposing any corruption I'd see. I'm one of those crazy people that thinks that the law should be applied equally and that cops should be held to the same or higher standard as any other member of the community.

I really hope you don't sink to the level of the New Orleans police force did during the hurricane aftermath and defile the Constitutional rights that you swore to uphold, of the people you swore to protect and serve, and then say "just doing my job" and "just following orders".

Might I suggest you look into the Oath Keepers? www.oathkeepers.net



So, in closing, since you refuse to acknowledge any error in your ways whatsoever, and only counter peoples' observations and reservations about you and/or your profession with snide remarks and telling them how much better you are than them, I won't be sad to see you go. Enjoy your new tattoo.

Bobby

I'm not better than anyone. I'm just sticking up for my self and all of the geat Police Officers on the job. Not the bad ones, the good ones. If someone going to put me down, then I am going to put my self back up. I'm never said I was a superhero. LOTS of fine guys and gals do what I do everyday. The officer or soldier that gives his life, is a hero. I am a seasoned public servant that enjoys doing the right thing.

I know, its impossible for you to believe that an officer like that exists.

And just for you, I think I might stick around for a while. Now I'm having fun. I figured out the ignore button for my special friends.

 

[Deanimator]

I'm not better than anyone. I'm just sticking up for my self and all of the geat Police Officers on the job. Not the bad ones, the good ones.

Jon Burge, "good" or "bad"?
Alvin Weems, "good" or "bad"?
Jerome Finnegan, "good" or "bad"?
Anthony Abbate, "good" or "bad"?
William Cozzi, "good" or "bad"?

Gerald Callahan: http://archive.chicagobreakingnews....bation-in-2008-attack-on-couple-in-niles.html "good" or "bad"? For extra points, how long has he been a cop?

 

[BigDave]

Careful Sigfan some here are going to cry about your avatar :lol:
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[tombrewster421]

Careful Sigfan some here are going to cry about your avatar :lol:
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They were just teasing you Dave. Are you still sore about that?

 

[BigDave]

Cry how? For what reason?

They have and will and for childish reasons.

 

[Citizen]

Cry how? For what reason?

Cry how? Complain.

Why? Because some dislike, enough to mention it, looking at a gun muzzle as though it is pointed at them.

For myself, I've never thought it useful to make a sort-of threat towards folks reading my posts. Why would I want anybody to look at a pic of my gun as though I was pointing it at them? I'm not particularly bothered by such avatars, but I know some are. Plus, there are probably more who do not mention it.

 

[reillo584]

Originally Posted by ronmanci
This is it for me. I thought I was joining a constructive forum. But I was wrong. After tonight I won't visit anymore...

Again, I’m not trying to be rude here, but I thought you said you where living the other night...

Seems to me that you just want to instigate more arguments…

And by the way, this is what I do…

So please stop bragging about what you supposedly are...

 

[reillo584]

You do know that impersonating an officer -- even online, could land you in jail in many instances, right? I'm not asking you to admit you aren't one -- I'm just saying you should stop pretending to be one.

+1
I agree...

 

[ronmanci]

+1
I agree...

I got a very kind e-mail asking me to stay, from:

John Pierce
Co-Founder and Spokesman OpenCarry.org

 

[robp]

well just a coment ronmanci i dont doubt you a cop and i would not ask you to prove it ether. that would be like a cop wanting id and permit just walking down the street

 

[reillo584]

I got a very kind e-mail asking me to stay, from:

John Pierce
Co-Founder and Spokesman OpenCarry.org

You are more than welcome to stay... let's just stop the Arguments.

Just my 2 cents...