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[ronmanci]

+1
I agree...

Whenever someone fears or is threatened by something unseen or unbelievable to them, they always like to pretend it doesn't exist. Religions for example.

Why in the world would I lie about my profession? So I can be ridiculed and bantered? Do you think someone would like that? I would never break the law therefore you could never do more then threat and dream dreams. Could you imagine?........there are good cops!

You just made my "friends" list......Nice talking to ya. To bad you couldn't have started off a little cordial and refrained from being so confrontational, and we could have kept talking about the real topics at hand. Open carry right?

It's going to be easy to weed out all the Police Haters with this ignore button. Eventually, I'll be chattin with someone who knows how to have a civil discussion.

 

[reillo584]

I'm going to quote myself here!!!

You are more than welcome to stay... let's just stop the Arguments.

Just my 2 cents...

You see... you don't want to stop. :lol::lol::lol:

 

[ronmanci]

You see... you don't want to stop. :lol::lol::lol:

No actually I felt bad about that one. I posted mine then read yours. Bet I hope you didn't just welcome me because John Pierce did. Either way I apologize for the tone. But, I ask you, don't accuse me of being a lier, please.

 

[CharleyMarbles]

No actually I felt bad about that one. I posted mine then read yours. Bet I hope you didn't just welcome me because John Pierce did. Either way I apologize for the tone. But, I ask you, don't accuse me of being a lier, please.

Well damn Ron atleast I never get accused of NOT being a felon LOL but I am glad you decided to stick it out I think you will catch a rythem and find a nich to inhabit

 

[Dave_pro2a]

I would never break the law therefore you could never do more then threat and dream dreams.

Actually, I'd bet you do break the law. Breaking the law is virtually unavoidable in modern America.

You should read:

http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594032556

If you're walking, talking, working, driving, paying taxes, etc... then you're breaking some law somewhere. Welcome to America.

 

[reillo584]

Either way I apologize for the tone. But, I ask you, don't accuse me of being a lier, please.

Apologies accepted... fair enough, I will back down on the last subject.

 

[CharleyMarbles]

Actually, I'd bet you do break the law. Breaking the law is virtually unavoidable in modern America.

You should read:

http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594032556

If you're walking, talking, working, driving, paying taxes, etc... then you're breaking some law somewhere. Welcome to America.

I don't think I have to explaine what that means for EVERY American ......Do I ????????

 

[ronmanci]

I don't think I have to explaine what that means for EVERY American ......Do I ????????

I will correct myself; I do not intentionally break the law. And ignorance of the law is not a defense, so your probably right.

 

[Hammer]

I would never break the law

Congratulations, ron! you would really stick out where I live! Here, if you want to see a cop break a law, you don't have to wait long at all! I'm not sayin' they're bad people- I'm sure you know good people break laws, many times inadvertently. I'm just sayin' you're quite the exception to the rule......

 

[BigRed]

I got a very kind e-mail asking me to stay, from:

John Pierce
Co-Founder and Spokesman OpenCarry.org

You just made my "friends" list......Nice talking to ya. To bad you couldn't have started off a little cordial and refrained from being so confrontational, and we could have kept talking about the real topics at hand. Open carry right?

It's going to be easy to weed out all the Police Haters with this ignore button. Eventually, I'll be chattin with someone who knows how to have a civil discussion.

Glad to know your staying. The original topic was actually about if in the WA section, there was a certain animosity towards cops for some reason. Anyway, the question was answered so....thanks for posting

 

[Trigger Dr]

Ron, the naysayers are in the minority here (glad to say) Stick around. It would seem that there are a few that just cannot let things go.

 

[Bookman]

Facts are important

I recently met Mayor McGinn of Seattle. At an open forum I was given the chance to ask him a question. I said:

"We've all been reading in the papers about the costumed villians terrorizing our streets at night."

Mayor McGinn interupted. "Villians?" He thought I was talking about Pheonix Jones and the constumed superheros that have made the news lately.

"Villians, yes. In these stories we have read about the villians, they have paralyzed an innocent man from the neck down, punched a woman for not crossing the street in a manner to the villians liking, attacked a 15-year old black girl while being held captive, stomped on a man's head while shouting racial epithets about his mexican herritage while holding him captive, and recently killed an indian wood carver in cold blood. I'm not even talking about the guys coming out of the comic book store -- I'm talking about your own police force. The Feds are coming in next month to investigate, but what steps are YOU taking to fix the problem with the police force."

The mayor had a very political answer. He basically said that he looks forward to the federal investigation so that he can make corrections where they feel necessary. This is a bad answer. The man is in charge. If he really felt compelled to do something, he'd be doing that rather than mulling over more decisions about the 520 bridge and transit.

You really should have your facts straight before posting them.

In regard to the highlighted portion, the girl was a pretty big girl, 17 y/o and she basically attacked the cop while he was trying to subdue someone else in order to keep him from doing so.. She DESERVED to be punched in the face.

Bet she won't try to interfere again!

Otherwise. (other than the use of the term "villain") I tend to agree.

 

[Bookman]

I love how you start out with an engaging statement like "you should have your facts straight before you post them." I fail to see where my facts weren't straight, but that said, I can appreciate your opinionated grandstanding.

I said "punched a woman". I said "woman" as in the sence of not male. I'm not entirely sure it matters in the phrasing. Saying that he punched a woman for not crossing the street in a manner to his liking is still true. Ultimately, he tried to take the girl hostage for a victimless crime, and upstanding citizens tried to prevent him from immorally taking the woman away and depriving her of her liberty and property. How far have we come where we think it is OK to take someone hostage (female or otherwise, adult or child) and deprive them of liberty because they crossed the street in a way they didn't like? Why is it also OK to assault someone (female or otherwise, adult or child) for trying to prevent someone from being held hostage?
I don't understand how you can try to nitpick my statements on technicalities but can't see what is wrong with your own morally.

There's nothing wrong with my "morally". My "morally" is just fine, thank you.

You say the other woman was being held hostage. On what do you base this opinion? You have no IDEA why the cop was trying to subdue the woman. I don't think that information was ever available.

The girl who was hit attacked someone who then defended himself. I say again, "She had it coming."

 

[Bookman]

Double Tap

 

[TechnoWeenie]

There's nothing wrong with my "morally". My "morally" is just fine, thank you.

You say the other woman was being held hostage. On what do you base this opinion? You have no IDEA why the cop was trying to subdue the woman. I don't think that information was ever available.

The girl who was hit attacked someone who then defended himself. I say again, "She had it coming."

There was video from a cellphone/camcorder...

The officer had way more patience than I would...

The officer was trying to tell ANOTHER person not to jaywalk, when Ms. Thang 1 decides to jump in.. He tells her like 5 times not to interfere, and then goes to arrest her.. She resists... Ms Thang 2 decides to try and assault the officer attempting to perform the arrest, and she gets hit...

I don't see the problem at all. If anything I think the officer let things get too far out of hand.. A nice taser or pepper deployment would've been a good idea.. He looks like a fool, not being able to take down a girl....

Most of the videos you see are edited to remove the part where they're arguing with the officer before he places her under arrest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Re9xRL1gQE

 

[Bookman]

There was video from a cellphone/camcorder...

The officer had way more patience than I would...

The officer was trying to tell ANOTHER person not to jaywalk, when Ms. Thang 1 decides to jump in.. He tells her like 5 times not to interfere, and then goes to arrest her.. She resists... Ms Thang 2 decides to try and assault the officer attempting to perform the arrest, and she gets hit...

I don't see the problem at all. If anything I think the officer let things get too far out of hand.. A nice taser or pepper deployment would've been a good idea.. He looks like a fool, not being able to take down a girl....

Most of the videos you see are edited to remove the part where they're arguing with the officer before he places her under arrest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Re9xRL1gQE

Thank you for posting that. While I tend to agree with most of what SigFan referenced in that particular post, I think he's wrong about the point presently being discussed.

 

[sudden valley gunner]

I think part of what TW is saying is that they all don't behave like that and the other half of the problem is the "zimmo's" that make the laws.

Cops that misbehave SHOULD be roasted but those that don't should be given some credit.

I was being sarcastic :lol:.

I agree to a point but officers who stick up for their "profession" and say thing like it's only a few bad apples really need to have their eyes opened up. This is why I feel "policing" needs to be restructured and limited. Just like the government, there are lots of "good" people in politics, but in once in "power" they don't look at things the same, they loose touch with "reality" a bit and do what ever they can to further their agenda, their policies and the illusion of how much we "need" them. Those "few" bad apples spoil the whole bunch.

Now if we take away the hero worship, the putting officers on a pedestal, make it a hard fast rule that officers who are misleading in reports will be immediately dismissed without pension and pay. We change the way we train them, ( why look at our academies it really has become an industry), de-millitarize them, restrict the type of weapons they can use to less than what the general population can use, re-enforce the thinking, they are a servants, get rid of political ties to Mayors and Governors, get rid of qualified immunity, de-unionize them (all public employees) maybe just maybe we could get police whom the public respect.

 

[Dave_pro2a]

You have no IDEA why the cop was trying to subdue the woman.

Jaywalking. It's all bs imho.

Civil infraction.

 

[Dave_pro2a]

I'm not a race card player

But that other cop did kick an innocent, and compliant, handcuffed American citizen of Hispanic descent in the head.

Then Mr. Blue shed crocodile tears about it on TV.

He's still on the job, no punishment afaik except maybe some PAID time off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIJpxyUV5_g&feature=related "I'm gonna kick the Mexican piss out of you!"

Female officer then also kicks that 'dirty no good mexican.'

How many officers sat around and watched without doing anything? I count 4, but I bet there were more out of frame.

How many of those officer (who witnessed the criminal assault) filed complaints about their 'fine, upstanding, racists, violent, assualtive' fellow officers? None?

Wait a second... why are the Feds 'investigating' the SPD again?

Oh yeah, institutional racism and widespread abuse of civil rights.

 

[Grapeshot]

I'm not a race card player and I'm not trying to play one now. I'm not accusing anyone -- here on this board or in this thread -- of anything here but I'd like to know if you think people would react if it was a black policeman, and a white victim instead of the other way around. Given Seattle P.D.'s continuing perception that they have racial problems in their midst, I wonder if they would have even stopped the white woman to begin with.

When no one else has tossed that card face up and you do, guess what - you just played the race card. How do you NOT say what you just said? :uhoh: