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King county cop charged with prostituting wife and selling/obtaining guns illegally?

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http://www.nationalreview.com/article/381446/barney-fife-meets-delta-force-charles-c-w-cooke

“A SWAT team,” the headline screamed, “blew a hole in my 2-year-old son.” For once, this wasn’t hyperbole.

They “threw a flashbang grenade inside,” she reported. It “landed in my son’s crib.” Now, her son is “covered in burns” and has “a hole in his chest that exposes his ribs.” So badly injured was he by the raid that he was “placed into a medically induced coma.” “They searched for drugs,” Phonesavanh confirmed, but they “never found any.” Nor, for that matter, did they find the person they were looking for. He doesn’t live there. “All of this,” she asks, “to find a small amount of drugs?”

SWAT teams in the United States conduct around 45,000 raids each year, only 7 percent of which have anything whatsoever to do with the hostage situations with which those teams were assembled to contend.

the person that authorities “were looking for, wasn’t there.” “He doesn’t even live in that house,” Phonesavanh confirmed. But suppose that he had, and that he’d been dealing drugs as charged? Does this alone make the case for the tactics? I suspect not. Instead, attempting to catch a violator in the act by releasing military vehicles full of machine-gun-wielding men, storming a home in the dead of night, and performing a no-knock raid that results in a two-year-old’s being pushed into a coma might, one suspects, be overkill

There's also some thoughtful comments on the shift to military style policing in America, and questioning why both the Demoncrats and Repungentcrats support it.
 

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You just stated what I had set, that weight restricted roads will support heavy vehicles.... So occasional use of a SWAT vehicle will not damage the roadway. I am well aware about the reasons and needs for oversize/ overweight permits.

You basically made a 4 paragraph rant saying I don't know what I'm talking about while not disproving any one thing I said. I stated most bridges designed for road traffic in the United States will support vehicles much heavier then an MRAP. You have just stated that the bridge will but requires a permit used for road maintainance..... So if the bridge will not collapse from use of a swat vehicle, it will support the weight. Read closely what is actually said.

When I Said "these bridges" I was referring to bridges in general, I don't drive on weight restricted routes, except once and I was exempted because it was a "local delivery" at least according to the sign.

Actually he Powned you.

And you didn't disprove anything. I had a citable fact about bridges, you made a wild guess as a retort (based on assumptions about bridges in the US and not facts). So go do some research about the average carrying capacity of bridges in America ;)
 

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Mrap

The Caiman completed testing by the US Military at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds in July 2007. On 13 July 2007, Armor Holdings received a prime contract award by the US Navy on the behalf of the US Marine Corps for $518.5 million under the Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicle program. The contract specifies delivery of 1,154 Category I MRAP vehicles and 16 Category II MRAP vehicles by the end of February 2008.[1]
It is likely that the Cat I will be based on the LMTV, while the Cat II will be based on the MTV. The Cat I Caiman weighs 14 tons and the Cat II version weighs 24 tons which, according to the Vice President of Armor Holdings, is lighter in weight than its competitors.[2] The work will be performed at BAE Systems M&PS facilities located in Fairfield, Ohio and Sealy, Texas.
A reinforced Caiman design submitted by BAE was one of the two eventual winners of the MRAP II competition at the Aberdeen Proving Ground.
Caiman features:
10-man crew capacity
Tensylon composite armor[3]
Armor enhancement capable
Accepts all types of manned and remote weapons stations
85 percent parts commonality with standard FMTV models (40,000 of which are already fielded)
Full-time all wheel drive
Fully automatic transmission
Electronic Central Tire Inflation System (CTIS)
Anti-lock braking system (ABS)
Class V Interactive Electronic Technical Manuals (IETM)
In September 2010 BAE Systems has been awarded a $629 million contract from the U.S. Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) Joint Program Office (JPO) to upgrade 1,700 Caiman MRAP vehicles to Caiman Multi-Terrain Vehicle - Caiman MTV standard. The upgraded vehicle integrates a refurbished and improved armored capsule from an existing vehicle with a new high-power automotive power train, chassis and independent suspension made by ArvinMeritor.[4] Greater survivability is achieved through an enhanced monolithic floor, a strengthened chassis frame and better blast absorbing seats.[5]
On December 18, 2011, a Caiman was part of the last US military convoy out of Iraq, being the last vehicle to cross the border into Kuwait, signifying the end of US military presence and operations in the eight-year Iraq War.
Starting in October 2013, local police and sheriff offices throughout the country began assuming control of many Caiman 6x6 MTVs. The US Federal Government offered these vehicles to local jurisdictions as the need for them greatly decreased after the Iraq and Afghanistan wars ended. The Caiman MTV normally costs $412,000 but is sold for only its transportation costs to the local jurisdiction.[6][7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Caiman
 
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I apologize for the further derailment of this thread... this will be my final post that contributes to that end.

You just stated what I had set, that weight restricted roads will support heavy vehicles.... So occasional use of a SWAT vehicle will not damage the roadway. I am well aware about the reasons and needs for oversize/ overweight permits.

I say and my cites agree, that they WILL. Not all at once, but cumulatively. THAT is the distinction. I didn't state what you stated, I contradicted you directly.

You basically made a 4 paragraph rant saying I don't know what I'm talking about while not disproving any one thing I said. I stated most bridges designed for road traffic in the United States will support vehicles much heavier then an MRAP. You have just stated that the bridge will but requires a permit used for road maintainance..... So if the bridge will not collapse from use of a swat vehicle, it will support the weight. Read closely what is actually said.

#1 the permits I was referring to are for oversize loads and the cost of the permits help to PAY for road maintenance not that permits are FOR maintenance.
#2 "does not collapse" does not equal "will support the weight". Just because a structure didn't catastrophically fail does not mean it wasn't damaged. Just because you can't see the damage, does not mean it doesn't exist. If I drop a drinking glass on the floor and only a chip is broken off, is it not damaged? Will it handle another fall? Is there damage to the glass that you can't see?

When I Said "these bridges" I was referring to bridges in general, I don't drive on weight restricted routes, except once and I was exempted because it was a "local delivery" at least according to the sign.

A previous poster stated that 72% of bridges cannot handle the weight of a MRAP. IF it is true, it flat out counters what you just said. Bridges in general cannot handle the weight.

The big difference between you and most of the other people on these forums is that we are speaking from experience. My father told me a long time ago that there is a difference between what you learn in a book and what you learn from real world experience. What you learn in a book is all fine and dandy, but it's no substitute for real world experience. You have all this "knowledge" that you have learned from various questionable sources. But what real experience do you have?

Actually he Powned you.

And you didn't disprove anything. I had a citable fact about bridges, you made a wild guess as a retort (based on assumptions about bridges in the US and not facts). So go do some research about the average carrying capacity of bridges in America ;)

And this ^

You have 3,480 posts since August of 2012 when you joined. I joined the same month and only have 495. You have an overwhelming need to interject your opinion into everything.

You suffer from the same problem that all youth suffer from. Your cup is already full. How can you fill your cup if it's already full? How can you learn something new when you already (questionably) know so much? Empty your cup. You are very young yet. You still have a great deal to learn and in fact, you will never know it all. Learning is a life long process. It has taken me many years to learn that lesson alone. Ask some of the folks on these forums what they think of what I have learned and experienced since I joined these forums in 2012. I knew so much about firearms and laws when I first joined yet I didn't even own one. I had never owned one nor had I ever carried one. But I knew so damn much and I thought it was enough. I was WRONG (heh... took me a long time to be able to ever admit to being wrong about anything). There are many people on these forums that are much older and much wiser then you or I. Listen to them and learn from them and their experience. I know I have and I still have much to learn. Open your mind and close your mouth once in a while.

/endlecture


Again, back on topic...

The original topic is a prime example of why I an seriously considering moving to some place out in the country. Some place far from the urban environment. The more I see of the way this country and this world is heading, the more I just want to go somewhere where it is much simpler. A little town of like 500 people where the Sheriff sits in the local dinner on Sunday morning, eats his breakfast and drinks his coffee before heading out to take care of the local who's cow got out onto the road again. Something not unlike the setting of the movie "The Last Stand" with Arnold Schwarzenegger (decent movie BTW).
 
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[snip]
On December 18, 2011, a Caiman was part of the last US military convoy out of Iraq, being the last vehicle to cross the border into Kuwait, signifying the end of US military presence and operations in the eight-year Iraq War.
Starting in October 2013, local police and sheriff offices throughout the country began assuming control of many Caiman 6x6 MTVs. The US Federal Government offered these vehicles to local jurisdictions as the need for them greatly decreased after the Iraq and Afghanistan wars ended. The Caiman MTV normally costs $412,000 but is sold for only its transportation costs to the local jurisdiction.[6][7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BAE_Caiman


Not needed there but somehow needed by our local yokels......sigh......
 

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Not needed there but somehow needed by our local yokels......sigh......

Sheriff 'local yokel' said:
it exceeds our needs, then it will obviously meet our needs,” explained sheriff’s Capt. John Crouse

^real quote, from a real yokel.

A bazooka would 'exceed the need' for hunting a deer, but using Sheriff Capt. John Crouse's logic it would still work great! Have fun picking deer parts out of the nearest trees.
 

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Another yokel:

Pulaski County Sheriff Michael Gayer said:
A more military approach to law enforcement is needed these days, Gayer suggested.

"The United States of America has become a war zone,"

Pulaski County: population 13,124

Value of military items recently procured by the Pulaski Sheriff's department: 4.9 million
 
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In what King County Sheriff John Urquhart called a "slap in the face," a sheriff's deputy is accused of stealing agency equipment, dealing steroids and pimping out his wife as an escort.
I'm sure that he only dealt roids to non-cops. :rolleyes:

The sheriff must be fired. Disband the SWAT unit. Fire every one of the unit members. Pursue criminal charges.

...well, disband the unit after they are ordered to raid their own homes for evidence of their crimes. I mean there is likely firearms in their homes and evidence of drug use and distribution. After they complete the raids on their own homes disband the unit.
 

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Hmm, I wonder if his wife was worth the money....

I actually have no issue with legalizing prostitution as we already have system in place for it. I don't have any problem with the steroid allegations either. What I have a problem with is that these same people would have no problem putting someone else in jail for what they were doing.
 

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Hmm, I wonder if his wife was worth the money....

I actually have no issue with legalizing prostitution as we already have system in place for it. I don't have any problem with the steroid allegations either. What I have a problem with is that these same people would have no problem putting someone else in jail for what they were doing.


+1, Ditto.
 

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Hmm, I wonder if his wife was worth the money....

I actually have no issue with legalizing prostitution as we already have system in place for it. I don't have any problem with the steroid allegations either. What I have a problem with is that these same people would have no problem putting someone else in jail for what they were doing.


IDK man, would you want a police officer to be high on meth while 'on the job?'

How about drunk?

Snorting cocaine before responding to a call?

Hitting the bong before a high speed chase?

Steroids alters behavior and judgement. Not the wisest thing to take while enforcing laws.

Also, it increases health problems and associated costs. Why the hell should any citizen pay the price for some cop abusing illegal drugs when they get their cushy medical retirement due to 'work related stress induced heart attack' (aka DRUG induced).
 

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IDK man, would you want a police officer to be high on meth while 'on the job?'

How about drunk?

Snorting cocaine before responding to a call?

Hitting the bong before a high speed chase?

Steroids alters behavior and judgement. Not the wisest thing to take while enforcing laws.

Also, it increases health problems and associated costs. Why the hell should any citizen pay the price for some cop abusing illegal drugs when they get their cushy medical retirement due to 'work related stress induced heart attack' (aka DRUG induced).

Nope, get rid of most cops too while we are ad it.
 
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