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Illegal Immigrant's lawyer wants to blame the gun for Steinle's murder...

countryclubjoe

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THE LAW OF NATIONS OR THE PRINCIPLES OF NATURAL LAW
Applied to the Conduct and to the Affairs of Nations and of Sovereigns
By E. DE VATTEL -TRANSLATION OF THE EDITION OF 1758


Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution:


Think about it.
Great post, evokes much thought..
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CCJ
 

HP995

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A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Are illegal aliens included in "the people" in that sentence?

Do they have the right to bear arms? Very possibly in their own nation. Not here. Neither should they be here. Being able to defend himself should not include any excuse about the type of gun - no right to be here, no right to be armed here, no right to defend use of gun or defect of gun. If he didn't use a gun and didn't have a gun, that would be an appropriate defense.

We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness—-That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed, that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these Ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it, and to institute a new Government, laying its Foundation on such Principles, and organizing its Powers in such Form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
The original text said "created equal and independent" - even clearer. Does this mean everyone should exercise every right in every place on earth? That's a very different thing. I have the natural right of owning and occupying private property but it applies to my home, not yours. Main purpose here was to justify changing the government, talking about the equal rights of Colonists on their own land to the British, not singing kum ba yah and working for Soros.

(BTW, I love how the Declaration talks about the "just powers" of governments instituted to secure those rights, might as well note that as long as we're quoting the document. Do we all fully believe that here? Do we believe in that Creator that people are mocking on another thread?)

He has excited domestic Insurrections among us, and has endeavoured to bring on the Inhabitants of our Frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known Rule of Warfare, is an undistinguished Destruction, of all Ages, Sexes and Conditions.
Were the Savages created equal from the writers' perspective? I don't pretend to know, but interesting choice of words. Be very careful throwing all your rights as a citizen of your own land to any passerby or invader without a thought. This alien has broken the law endlessly, has brought violence, insurrection, and savagery here, and is spitting in your face, using our resources and legal system against us with the help of some of our own people. Jefferson and Franklin were not that gullible. Let's not disrespect the memory of those great men by associating them with these current self-destructive trends.
 

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Are illegal aliens included in "the people" in that sentence?

Do they have the right to bear arms? Very possibly in their own nation. Not here. Neither should they be here. Being able to defend himself should not include any excuse about the type of gun - no right to be here, no right to be armed here, no right to defend use of gun or defect of gun. If he didn't use a gun and didn't have a gun, that would be an appropriate defense.



The original text said "created equal and independent" - even clearer. Does this mean everyone should exercise every right in every place on earth? That's a very different thing. I have the natural right of owning and occupying private property but it applies to my home, not yours. Main purpose here was to justify changing the government, talking about the equal rights of Colonists on their own land to the British, not singing kum ba yah and working for Soros.

(BTW, I love how the Declaration talks about the "just powers" of governments instituted to secure those rights, might as well note that as long as we're quoting the document. Do we all fully believe that here? Do we believe in that Creator that people are mocking on another thread?)



Were the Savages created equal from the writers' perspective? I don't pretend to know, but interesting choice of words. Be very careful throwing all your rights as a citizen of your own land to any passerby or invader without a thought. This alien has broken the law endlessly, has brought violence, insurrection, and savagery here, and is spitting in your face, using our resources and legal system against us with the help of some of our own people. Jefferson and Franklin were not that gullible. Let's not disrespect the memory of those great men by associating them with these current self-destructive trends.
Great post Sir, We, the people did not include all citizens in 1787, so answer to your query is NO.

Humans don't get their rights from a Constitution... All humans have a natural right to defend themselves and family against evil doers. The highest form of tyranny in my humble opinion is some tyrant preaching how only a certain class of people can defend themselves and their family. No human should be at the mercy of another human, no human should be required to wait for a permission slip so as to protect himself and family.
If one can pony up the cash for weapon and ammo so be it.

I have no fear of other folks being armed, I understand how to level the playing field..

' Go armed or be slaughtered"... CCJ

Pleasure opining Sir!

My .02
CCJ
 
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