I am so heated

[Motofixxer]

What's wrong with a few people going out and thinning the herd of themselves??? :uhoh:

Yep they go out and get hurt etc...whatever. Make a statement emergency services are extremely limited or not operational etc... Adults should be able to make decisions, and then deal with those decisions consequences.

 

[Smith45acp]

I don't know anything about these curfews... But if they're "zero tolerance" like I expect they probably are then I can't be for it.

I can think of plenty of legitimate reasons a law abiding person may need to leave home during those hours. Then if you get stopped you're supposed to rely on an average LEO's reasoning of whether or not your "excuse" passes muster.

 

[WTFOVER]

Seems to me that these curfews go against nature. Nature has a natural selection process which tends to thin out the "stupid" gene from a species.

Evolution!

What's wrong with a few people going out and thinning the herd of themselves??? :uhoh:

Here lies the problem with these 3 posts. When these people decide they want to go outside because they want to fight "the man" and get hurt you have now taken emergency personnel away from something else to deal with these problems, and that something else could be something critical. "Law abiding" citizens can get hurt just as easy as a "criminal"

The same people complaining are also the ones likely to be inline when FEMA shows up to collect a check because their homes have been damaged. Its ok to "fight the man" till they start sending out money then its oh I need some of that.

I've never understand why people in this country feel they have it so bad. Take a trip to a country that doesn't have a tenth of the freedoms we have here in the US and see how you like it. You live in a country where you have a job, drive a car, pay fairly cheaply for gas compared to other places, are actually allowed to carry a weapon, practice what religion you want and a ton of other things, yet you complain because you have to stay inside for a few nights by a certain time.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Here lies the problem with these 3 posts. When these people decide they want to go outside because they want to fight "the man" and get hurt you have now taken emergency personnel away from something else to deal with these problems, and that something else could be something critical. "Law abiding" citizens can get hurt just as easy as a "criminal"

The same people complaining are also the ones likely to be inline when FEMA shows up to collect a check because their homes have been damaged. Its ok to "fight the man" till they start sending out money then its oh I need some of that.

I've never understand why people in this country feel they have it so bad. Take a trip to a country that doesn't have a tenth of the freedoms we have here in the US and see how you like it. You live in a country where you have a job, drive a car, pay fairly cheaply for gas compared to other places, are actually allowed to carry a weapon, practice what religion you want and a ton of other things, yet you complain because you have to stay inside for a few nights by a certain time.

The Governor already had stated that people who stayed were on their own. She should and local authorities stick to their word. People also who live in a high flood area should have flood insurance. FEMA is a deterrence to those numptys buying insurance. People should not be rewarded for acting like idiots.

BTW wanting to keep our rights has nothing to do with other countries. Seems to me the reason we have it better is because of those rights. Those that wish to relinquish their rights should move to one of those countries and not infringe on the rest of us.

 

[Chief1297]

Here lies the problem with these 3 posts. When these people decide they want to go outside because they want to fight "the man" and get hurt you have now taken emergency personnel away from something else to deal with these problems, and that something else could be something critical. "Law abiding" citizens can get hurt just as easy as a "criminal"

The same people complaining are also the ones likely to be inline when FEMA shows up to collect a check because their homes have been damaged. Its ok to "fight the man" till they start sending out money then its oh I need some of that.

I've never understand why people in this country feel they have it so bad. Take a trip to a country that doesn't have a tenth of the freedoms we have here in the US and see how you like it. You live in a country where you have a job, drive a car, pay fairly cheaply for gas compared to other places, are actually allowed to carry a weapon, practice what religion you want and a ton of other things, yet you complain because you have to stay inside for a few nights by a certain time.

Your defense of the government telling you that you have to "go to your room" says enough about you than my post ever did about me. Fact is, I dont need a government to tell me not to go out in the rain during a thunderstorm. I dont need any government official telling me not to play with downed power lines or not to go surfing in the ocean during a hurricane. Oh by the way, I pay dearly for insurance to cover my house, cars and health. I dont rely on FEMA unlike some of these idiots do to cover their butts in the case of an emergency nor do I receive medicaid or food stamps. Believe it or not, there are some Americans who believe in self sufficiency. We do what we have to do to take care of ourselves and our families. It appears you have a lot more faith in your government than I do. You seem to have an expectation that they will take care of you if things go bad. I dont.

Truth be known, I bet I have been to more countries than you have. Your lecture on how good I have it here in America should be saved for someone in high school who may be impressed with your worldly views. Believe it or not, jobs, cheap gas, and a car are not guaranteed to you just because you are here in this country. There are plenty of folks out there who could school you on this concept. The America you talk about was a lot better place when personal responsibility was the norm rather than the exception.

Dont get me wrong, government can do good things like provide for a common defense but to try and tell me they have the right to send me to my room because I am not smart enough not to go out in the rain is way beyond their limits. So you just sit back and do everything "the man" tells you to do and live your life in your bubble while the rest of us try and keep "the man" out of our lives and out of our pockets.

 

[WTFOVER]

Your defense of the government telling you that you have to "go to your room" says enough about you than my post ever did about me. Fact is, I dont need a government to tell me not to go out in the rain during a thunderstorm. I dont need any government official telling me not to play with downed power lines or not to go surfing in the ocean during a hurricane. Oh by the way, I pay dearly for insurance to cover my house, cars and health. I dont rely on FEMA unlike some of these idiots do to cover their butts in the case of an emergency nor do I receive medicaid or food stamps. Believe it or not, there are some Americans who believe in self sufficiency. We do what we have to do to take care of ourselves and our families. It appears you have a lot more faith in your government than I do. You seem to have an expectation that they will take care of you if things go bad. I dont.

You and I may believe in self sufficiency, however there are far more that don't. And rely on the government to fix their problems.

Truth be known, I bet I have been to more countries than you have. Your lecture on how good I have it here in America should be saved for someone in high school who may be impressed with your worldly views. Believe it or not, jobs, cheap gas, and a car are not guaranteed to you just because you are here in this country. There are plenty of folks out there who could school you on this concept. The America you talk about was a lot better place when personal responsibility was the norm rather than the exception.

I'll take that bet on who's been in more countries. And you are correct, jobs, cheap gas, and a car are not guaranteed, just like the right we have to carry weapons. It could be removed at any point. The point is people are complaining because they have to stay in their homes after a certain hour for a few nights, cry me a river. Far more pressing issues to fight over then having to be home at a certain hour DURING AN EMERGENCY.

Dont get me wrong, government can do good things like provide for a common defense but to try and tell me they have the right to send me to my room because I am not smart enough not to go out in the rain is way beyond their limits. So you just sit back and do everything "the man" tells you to do and live your life in your bubble while the rest of us try and keep "the man" out of our lives and out of our pockets.

There are other fights to be fought. In America we will never see a time when we don't have to pay taxes, we will never see a "small" government, I don't care how many of "you all" try and keep "the man" out of your lives and pockets, its not going to happen. You should be thankful to wake up and (if not retired) go to a job that pays you, offers you benefits. Be thankful you can go to your choice of a church (if you do) whenever you go. Be thankful you can carry a weapon, little lone "open carry" that weapon.

 

[rscottie]

You and I may believe in self sufficiency, however there are far more that don't. And rely on the government to fix their problems.



I'll take that bet on who's been in more countries. And you are correct, jobs, cheap gas, and a car are not guaranteed, just like the right we have to carry weapons. It could be removed at any point. The point is people are complaining because they have to stay in their homes after a certain hour for a few nights, cry me a river. Far more pressing issues to fight over then having to be home at a certain hour DURING AN EMERGENCY.



There are other fights to be fought. In America we will never see a time when we don't have to pay taxes, we will never see a "small" government, I don't care how many of "you all" try and keep "the man" out of your lives and pockets, its not going to happen. You should be thankful to wake up and (if not retired) go to a job that pays you, offers you benefits. Be thankful you can go to your choice of a church (if you do) whenever you go. Be thankful you can carry a weapon, little lone "open carry" that weapon.

Well, there you have it. A prime example of someone that has given up. Someone that believes that fighting for our rights is a done deal, game over, go home, er, well, go to whatever shelter the government tells you to.

I have news for you. I am not ready to give up. Many men have died in the history of this country fighting for our rights. The fight is not over and when people start to decide it is simply because they think that it is time to give up, well, they better just move over and not get run over by the many more real patriots that will step up to continue the fight.

The Government has ZERO obligation to protect you. This has been ruled upon by the courts. They also have ZERO responsibility to protect your home. So, when they attempt to tell a law-abiding citizen that they cannot stay in their home to protect it, that is wrong.

I have no problem with the Government making recommendations that you leave and also letting you know that if the SHTF, you are on your own. The way it should be.

As far as the government giving me my right to carry, that is BS. We are struggling right now to restore our right to carry in many places where the Government has created bad laws with power it does not have. The Right to Keep and Bear Arms is a recognized Right that we have as an extension of our natural right of self-defense. The Second Amendment was written specifically to recognize that right. It was the second Amendment only because the founding fathers felt that Freedom of Speech was the most important and the means to back up that speech was a close Second. They actually debated which one to put first.

So, all you Patriots, let's continue to voice our opinions, continue to Open Carry, continue to vote out representatives that believe the Government is King, and continue to prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

The rest of you can get in line for soup.

 

[WalkingWolf]

I really tire of progressives in sheep clothing trying to tell the rest of us to go silently into the night, and accept gov coddling. If a person desires government making their decisions for them that is fine, but don't try to preach it to the rest of us. Maybe the federal govt can make a state just for those folks wishing to be babysitted by Uncle Sam.

 

[Chief1297]

You and I may believe in self sufficiency, however there are far more that don't. And rely on the government to fix their problems.



I'll take that bet on who's been in more countries. And you are correct, jobs, cheap gas, and a car are not guaranteed, just like the right we have to carry weapons. It could be removed at any point. The point is people are complaining because they have to stay in their homes after a certain hour for a few nights, cry me a river. Far more pressing issues to fight over then having to be home at a certain hour DURING AN EMERGENCY.



There are other fights to be fought. In America we will never see a time when we don't have to pay taxes, we will never see a "small" government, I don't care how many of "you all" try and keep "the man" out of your lives and pockets, its not going to happen. You should be thankful to wake up and (if not retired) go to a job that pays you, offers you benefits. Be thankful you can go to your choice of a church (if you do) whenever you go. Be thankful you can carry a weapon, little lone "open carry" that weapon.

Your comments are so full of holes I dont even know where to start. You dont think that folks that are not self sufficient are a problem? What's being done about it? How about forcing them to be productive or not eat? Sounds good to me. They are only non-players because they can be. (all those who truly cant are exempt from my comments)

Just so you know the right to carry a weapon IS A GUARANTEE. It's in that document called the constitution, you know the "right to bear arms" passage. Bear arms doesnt mean to have them in your home. I may not be an English major but I do know the meaning of words. Just because states have decided to usurp that little section and interpret it any ole way they like, doesnt mean the words mean anything other than what they say. Unlike some, I do know what the definition of the word "is" is. This right can only be removed if we let it. I'm a grown man and dont need government to tell me when to be home for any number of nights. They should come out with recommendations but that is it. If I fail to heed their recommendations, then I am on my own...PERIOD.

Just so you know, I am all for paying taxes. I fully understand that I must pay if I want certain goods and services. I have no problem with that at all. What I do have a problem with is when the government waste the money I give them by building bridges to no where and giving themselves raises when they are doing a crappy job. I mind it when not all citizens have to pay into the same system, yet, receive the same services as I do. I mind it when breeders have kids and fathers sire offspring and then run out on their responsibilities leaving me the bill. I mind it when people stub their toe and receive thousands of dollars a month because they are to traumatized to work. I mind it when I provide money for the poor that they use to buy bottled water just to dump it out to receive .25 cents back in cash so they can buy drugs, cigs, or alcohol.

Finally, I dont have to be thankful for a job with benefits, nor thankful I can worship, nor thankful to carry a weapon. These are my rights. I have educated and prepared myself for the workplace. I provide a service for a company that they benefit richly for. People can only take away your right to worship and carry a weapon if you let them. I will not thank people for allowing me to do something which is my right in the first place. You want my rights, I say come take em. Just because other countries give their rights away doesnt mean I have to. Americans at one point understood that...some still do.

 

[thebigsd]

Little lone=let alone. Lol.

 

[ArmySoldier22]

I've been watching this argument from the beginning, and I was just going to stay out of it because we're here to learn and to work together to hopefully help restore some of those rights that are inherently ours to begin with, no matter what other views we may have about the government and it's current control over us. I'm not trying to fuel the argument, because the fact is when people truly believe something, words won't change how they feel. So I think we'd probably be better off ending it and going back to working on what this forum is all about. Instructing those on Open Carry, as well as getting our 2nd amendment rights back to the way they should be. But that being said, I've got to give Chief a big +1 on that last post.

 

[dmatting]

We have arrived at the current state of this country through incremental steps. Some of these steps have been small while others have been larger. I would consider the smaller steps to be more insipid and dangerous than the larger steps. I would consider Obamacare to be a larger step - it is such a large step that no one could miss it. I would consider curfews to be a smaller step. These smaller steps are done 'for our safety' among other reasons. They are subtle, yet they affect the mindset of many people. A curfew, to many people, would be considered reasonable - why would someone have to go out and muck about after 9pm right after a hurricane? Its dangerous out there and they could get hurt! They buy into this governmental interference and the nanny state one step at a time until these small steps have turned into miles.

Many would fight and die to fight against overt tyranny, why should we roll over and accept covert tyranny?

 

[mattwestm]

I agree that the country needs change, but change in a positive direction. Currently, it is changing in the wrong direction. Remember the days when going somewhere on an airplane was actually fun? Now, with TSA and all the security, it's miserable to fly anywhere.

Obamacare was positive in some ways, but negative in the sense that the government is basically forcing people to buy into the capitalist, for-profit, make-money-off-sick-people healthcare system.

 

[rscottie]

I agree that the country needs change, but change in a positive direction. Currently, it is changing in the wrong direction. Remember the days when going somewhere on an airplane was actually fun? Now, with TSA and all the security, it's miserable to fly anywhere.

Obamacare was positive in some ways, but negative in the sense that the government is basically forcing people to buy into the capitalist, for-profit, make-money-off-sick-people healthcare system.

Our "capitalist, for-profit, make-money-off-sick-people healthcare system" has resulted in the best healthcare in the world. When world leaders from Socialist Countries need major surgery, they come to America. They do not go to the stand in line, wait your turn, and hope you do not die before you get seen systems like they have in places like England and even right here to our north, Canada.

Many of the costs to do health care are inflated by the massive regulatory hurdles that are thrust upon the Medical Establishment. They must spend huge amounts of money to stay in compliance with numerous alphabet soup regulations and Government Entities that do nothing but mandate how to cross a "t" or dot an "i". Many hospitals have a whole department that does nothing year around except prepare the paperwork and send out memo's to each department on how to be in compliance. Add that to the whole department that it takes to manage getting payment from Medicare and Medicaid and you are talking a huge cost.

We could have cheaper healthcare here if the government would just get out of the way and let private insurance and the Medical Professionals determine what their services are worth and what the market for that service is. There would be competitition and the best service at the best price would prevail.

 

[buzzsaw]

Our "capitalist, for-profit, make-money-off-sick-people healthcare system" has resulted in the best healthcare in the world. When world leaders from Socialist Countries need major surgery, they come to America. They do not go to the stand in line, wait your turn, and hope you do not die before you get seen systems like they have in places like England and even right here to our north, Canada.

Many of the costs to do health care are inflated by the massive regulatory hurdles that are thrust upon the Medical Establishment. They must spend huge amounts of money to stay in compliance with numerous alphabet soup regulations and Government Entities that do nothing but mandate how to cross a "t" or dot an "i". Many hospitals have a whole department that does nothing year around except prepare the paperwork and send out memo's to each department on how to be in compliance. Add that to the whole department that it takes to manage getting payment from Medicare and Medicaid and you are talking a huge cost.

We could have cheaper healthcare here if the government would just get out of the way and let private insurance and the Medical Professionals determine what their services are worth and what the market for that service is. There would be competitition and the best service at the best price would prevail.

Not to be picky but you left out one small element of cost that adds substantially to our cost. The threat of frivilous law suits continues to add to medical costs. Solution: "Loser pays " restriction on law suits.

 

[mattwestm]

Yeah, lawsuits are probably the main reason why healthcare is so expensive. Doctors and hospitals need insurance that costs a lot of money to protect them from lawsuits. The patient is stuck with the bill. Doctors also need to pay off the cost of their education. The cost of education for a doctor in America is MUCH higher than in Europe.

I've lived in France for a short period of time. The WHO currently rates France's healthcare system at #1 in the world. I was walking out on my friend's balcony and tripped over the bottom of the door frame. My chin hit the stone railing and busted it up pretty badly. It immediately started bleeding. Luckily the hospital was only a few blocks down the road. At the hospital, I was seen in a matter of minutes and received several stitches. I was probably there for less than an hour. I only provided them with my contact information and was informed that I would be receiving a bill in the mail. About a week later, I received a bill for €25. When I had to go get the stitches out, I was referred to a local physician and was not charged at all. In America, I would have been charged at least $500 without insurance and at least $100 with insurance. There you have it folks, no waiting in line, no death panels.

I will admit that America has a more advanced healthcare system in terms of technology, but you are going to have to pay for it. Of course European leaders come to America for healthcare... they have the funds to pay for it. I have been putting off going to the eye doctor because my parents insurance doesn't cover basic eye exams. I had to dish out $130 out of pocket just the other day, not including new glasses. When I went to the eye doctor in France, I wasn't charged a dime because it was considered an annual check-up. I'm pretty sure I had to pay for the glasses though (although there might have been some sort of discount for Euro insurance holders). It's pretty sad that in one of the wealthiest nations in the world, university students are unable to get a routine check-up because of cost reasons.

 

[condeist]

Yeah, lawsuits are probably the main reason why healthcare is so expensive. Doctors and hospitals need insurance that costs a lot of money to protect them from lawsuits. The patient is stuck with the bill. Doctors also need to pay off the cost of their education. The cost of education for a doctor in America is MUCH higher than in Europe.

I've lived in France for a short period of time. The WHO currently rates France's healthcare system at #1 in the world. I was walking out on my friend's balcony and tripped over the bottom of the door frame. My chin hit the stone railing and busted it up pretty badly. It immediately started bleeding. Luckily the hospital was only a few blocks down the road. At the hospital, I was seen in a matter of minutes and received several stitches. I was probably there for less than an hour. I only provided them with my contact information and was informed that I would be receiving a bill in the mail. About a week later, I received a bill for €25. When I had to go get the stitches out, I was referred to a local physician and was not charged at all. In America, I would have been charged at least $500 without insurance and at least $100 with insurance. There you have it folks, no waiting in line, no death panels.

I will admit that America has a more advanced healthcare system in terms of technology, but you are going to have to pay for it. Of course European leaders come to America for healthcare... they have the funds to pay for it. I have been putting off going to the eye doctor because my parents insurance doesn't cover basic eye exams. I had to dish out $130 out of pocket just the other day, not including new glasses. When I went to the eye doctor in France, I wasn't charged a dime because it was considered an annual check-up. I'm pretty sure I had to pay for the glasses though (although there might have been some sort of discount for Euro insurance holders). It's pretty sad that in one of the wealthiest nations in the world, university students are unable to get a routine check-up because of cost reasons.

First of all the WHO is a sham, corrupt organization with an agenda and ZERO credibility.

Second, you can get stitches for a bloody chin in any 3rd world nation. So you got cheap stitches in France, big deal. Do you know which country has the highest cancer survivor rate? I can stitch my own chin if I had too, but when you need serious medical attention, America is where it is at.

No death panels for a busted chin? You dont say....

You said, "I will admit that America has a more advanced healthcare system in terms of technology, but you are going to have to pay for it." AND!!?? Are you not accustomed to paying for what you receive? Guess what? If you want access to technology that millions has been spent on researching and developing, and access to doctors who've spent years learning about medicine, and hospitals, and nurses, YOURE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY FOR IT! I cant even fathom why one would expect not to pay for it. What a sad reflection of the current entitlement mentality of the people of this nation. You know whats really sad, its that university students expect other people to pay the bill for their eye exams.