"God Given"

[Freedom1Man]

Everyone has their own definition of "god" anyway. The word itself just means "mighty one."

A lot of people elevate their national patriotism above their religion's tenets, as well. They are choosing which god they are serving at different times for different reasons.

So with a lower-case "g", the statement is very correct. Money, government, food, sex, power, etc have all been gods to people.

God was the word and the word was law.

So the REAL meaning of god is law.

Now if you with to believe that some A Hole in the clouds is watching every thing that you do and give a Rat's Mule about YOUR life then, you're all sorts of screwed up. And you also believe in a pedophile and pervert.

 

[MAC702]

God was the word and the word was law.

So the REAL meaning of god is law.

Now if you with to believe that some A Hole in the clouds is watching every thing that you do and give a Rat's Mule about YOUR life then, you're all sorts of screwed up. And you also believe in a pedophile and pervert.

I have no idea how that replies to my post.

 

[WalkingWolf]

For people who do not believe, some spend an awful lot of time worrying about what others believe.

 

[Jakeus314]

Have you seen this video then?

[video=youtube_share;guXirzknYYE]http://youtu.be/guXirzknYYE[/video]

I like to believe that if your belief in a higher power is all the keeps you from doing bad things then you're not a good person to begin with.

I tend to think on those lines too. Just be careful not to imply that the higher power others believe in is the only reason they don't do bad things... If that gets implied, they tend to get mad etc.
I'm not sure what to make of the zeitgeist stuff. The conspiracy type ideas seem like a big stretch.


-jakeus

 

[Freedom1Man]

I have no idea how that replies to my post.

I was agreeing that god was not some sort of of pervert that lives in the clouds who claims to determine your life.

 

[Jakeus314]

For people who do not believe, some spend an awful lot of time worrying about what others believe.

I've concerned myself with it only because of threats. When someone tells me I'm going to burn eternally, I take notice. I'm certainly not worried like I was in my twenties. It's all a bit hard to ignore sometimes because the topic comes up within so many other topics.


-jakeus

 

[Citizen]

Zeitgeist Video

Huh!?!

No offense to anyone who liked the video, but it would have been nice if the narrator had laid out his position and purpose of the video in the opening frames. There's a reason scholarly papers spend the first paragraph or so telling you what the rest of the paper is going to be about.

When the speaker in the first recording completely mis-defined spirituality I ended the full viewing. I skipped ahead and spot checked a few points, and I still couldn't figure out what the video was about.

 

[WalkingWolf]

I've concerned myself with it only because of threats. When someone tells me I'm going to burn eternally, I take notice. I'm certainly not worried like I was in my twenties. It's all a bit hard to ignore sometimes because the topic comes up within so many other topics.


-jakeus

Are you serious? Do you know how ignorant that sounds? How can someone threaten you by believing in a faith? How can you burn eternally if there is no God, Heaven, or Hell? So because you feel threatened by something you do not believe exists, you think religion should be eradicated and suggest infringing on others rights to believe or not believe?

Think about it?

Tell you what, give me the names of those folks that threatened you and I will make voodoo dolls and stick them with pins...:uhoh:

 

[Citizen]

Are you serious? Do you know how ignorant that sounds? How can someone threaten you by believing in a faith? How can you burn eternally if there is no God, Heaven, or Hell? So because you feel threatened by something you do not believe exists, you think religion should be eradicated and suggest infringing on others rights to believe or not believe?

Think about it?

Tell you what, give me the names of those folks that threatened you and I will make voodoo dolls and stick them with pins...:uhoh:

Oh, I imagine there are a lot of people who worry about that threat to one degree or another. Parents, grandparents, etc., instill ideas into kids. I'll bet plenty of them who grow up with that threat still nagging in the back of their minds.

 

[eye95]

I tend to think on those lines too. Just be careful not to imply that the higher power others believe in is the only reason they don't do bad things... If that gets implied, they tend to get mad etc.
I'm not sure what to make of the zeitgeist stuff. The conspiracy type ideas seem like a big stretch.


-jakeus

This is the statement on the lines you tend to think: "I like to believe that if your belief in a higher power is all the keeps you from doing bad things then you're not a good person to begin with."

That is a very simplistic and juvenile way to look at God. It may be the starting point when teaching a child about your faith, but it is way to simplified to use as even a starting point with an adult. However, if one is tending to think along those lines, then let me clean it up a little from a Christian perspective. God created the universe and everything in it. It was good. Then he created man, but in order to make man a true companion and not just a rock, he gave him the capacity to do something that, until then, only God could do: learn the difference between good (following God) and evil (going against God)--and choosing to do one or the other. God does not keep us from doing bad things. Even people who believe still do bad things. When we follow God, we do good things, because that is the definition of good. When we go our own way, we do bad things because we are not following God.

The statement on the lines you tend to think is a real man-created-god statement. If that is where you are, then that thinking is where you will most likely remain. I believe that God gave you that choice, the choice not to believe in his existence and, consequently, not to follow him. The irony is that if you deny God, he will allow you to live an existence in which there is no God, and that is sad when the other option is a choice away.

 

[eye95]

Are you serious? Do you know how ignorant that sounds? How can someone threaten you by believing in a faith? How can you burn eternally if there is no God, Heaven, or Hell? So because you feel threatened by something you do not believe exists, you think religion should be eradicated and suggest infringing on others rights to believe or not believe?

Think about it?

Tell you what, give me the names of those folks that threatened you and I will make voodoo dolls and stick them with pins...:uhoh:

As I said in an earlier post, the kind of reaction you are quoting is only really possible if, on some deep level, the person actually believes in God and is just denying His sovereignty. If there is no God, there is no threat, and there should be no reaction.

BTW, the real threat, if you want to call it a threat (it is really just a choice), is that if you choose to live without God, He will allow you to make that choice. Hell is simply living without God. Burning eternally is a way to metaphorically explain the pain of the realization that one has denied God, that he has allowed that choice, and that all eternity will pass with one separated from God with the full knowledge (after judgment) that he could have spent that eternity in Heaven with God. That is Hell.

 

[Anonymouse]

I never ate religious people. Recipes are too hard to come by.

Hahaha

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[david.ross]

BTW, the real threat, if you want to call it a threat (it is really just a choice), is that if you choose to live without God, He will allow you to make that choice. Hell is simply living without God.

Ah, I just love those lines which are fed to you all by pastors.

You're going to hell if...
> You don't come to church every sunday
> you touch yourself
> if you don't believe in God (so I guess all those other people who believe in a religion not pertaining to the source religions of God are going to hell, am i right?)

Everyone in Japan who practiced Shinto, those are all in Hell, right? Japan is a much better place without religion, with only 15% believing in a "God," this leaves them to continue their scientific advancements.

I wish the US would be more like Japan, don't give any privileges to religious organizations, many end up abusing the tax free status and running ads attempting to force a social standard.

 

[Big Gay Al]

If you are refering to the Westboro Baptist Church you should know that they are NOT religious and they are NOT Christians. They are a family of lawyers who fake religious beliefs and make highly strategic protests with the intent to sue those who suppress their 1A rights in order to win monetary lawsuits.

They will argue with you till the cows come home that they ARE religious. In fact, they'll insist they're more religious than most in the mainstream. Doesn't make it so, but that's what they'll do. And to many, they represent the worst of Christianity.

 

[Big Gay Al]

The clear implication of your post was that some fanatic Christian group was worse than fanatic atheists because the fanatic Christians protested at funerals, but fanatic atheists did not. The clear implication of the reply was that they are both despicable because acts by the fanatic atheists could be found that the fanatic Christians did not do.

He has a point. Your reply immediately above seems to be trying to save a failing argument.


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Not a failing argument. I was originally replying to a post that compared fanatic atheists to the Westboro creeps. I was simply pointing out that I'd never seen nor heard of any atheists picketing funerals of our fallen military veterans. Based on what I said, EMNofSeattle apparently jumped to the wrong conclusion I was defending atheists. I was not. I simply pointed out that I from what I've seen so far, the WBC group appears worse to me, than fanatical atheists.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Ah, I just love those lines which are fed to you all by pastors.

You're going to hell if...
> You don't come to church every sunday
> you touch yourself
> if you don't believe in God (so I guess all those other people who believe in a religion not pertaining to the source religions of God are going to hell, am i right?)

Everyone in Japan who practiced Shinto, those are all in Hell, right? Japan is a much better place without religion, with only 15% believing in a "God," this leaves them to continue their scientific advancements.

I wish the US would be more like Japan, don't give any privileges to religious organizations, many end up abusing the tax free status and running ads attempting to force a social standard.

I never bought into all that stuff, but if you do not belief why does it bother you guys so much?

 

[Jakeus314]

Are you serious? Do you know how ignorant that sounds? How can someone threaten you by believing in a faith? How can you burn eternally if there is no God, Heaven, or Hell? So because you feel threatened by something you do not believe exists, you think religion should be eradicated and suggest infringing on others rights to believe or not believe?

Think about it?

Tell you what, give me the names of those folks that threatened you and I will make voodoo dolls and stick them with pins...:uhoh:

Yes. I'm serious.
I'm certainly not ignorant.
Their belief doesn't threaten me, they threaten me with words.

I'm never completely certain about what's true, so I consider just about everything. That includes religions that make threats, even if I don't believe in the source of those threats.

DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH:
"So because you feel threatened by something you do not believe exists, you think religion should be eradicated and suggest infringing on others rights to believe or not believe?"
Someone who makes up garbage like that, is ignorant. Think about it.


-jakeus

 

[Jakeus314]

This is the statement on the lines you tend to think: "I like to believe that if your belief in a higher power is all the keeps you from doing bad things then you're not a good person to begin with."

That is a very simplistic and juvenile way to look at God. It may be the starting point when teaching a child about your faith, but it is way to simplified to use as even a starting point with an adult. However, if one is tending to think along those lines, then let me clean it up a little from a Christian perspective. God created the universe and everything in it. It was good. Then he created man, but in order to make man a true companion and not just a rock, he gave him the capacity to do something that, until then, only God could do: learn the difference between good (following God) and evil (going against God)--and choosing to do one or the other. God does not keep us from doing bad things. Even people who believe still do bad things. When we follow God, we do good things, because that is the definition of good. When we go our own way, we do bad things because we are not following God.

The statement on the lines you tend to think is a real man-created-god statement. If that is where you are, then that thinking is where you will most likely remain. I believe that God gave you that choice, the choice not to believe in his existence and, consequently, not to follow him. The irony is that if you deny God, he will allow you to live an existence in which there is no God, and that is sad when the other option is a choice away.

Generally, this is circular logic and idea inventing mixed together. You believe all that because you read all that in a book which justified all that by inventing something which justifies the book. That's just not good enough for me.

Calling atheists children and juveniles is a common tactic for believers because those words indirectly attack that which atheists hold dear, their intelligence. Please stop suggesting that atheists are lesser people because we don't have the same beliefs as you. Many of us used to believe and then decided to ask why.

Edit:
And I can't CHOOSE to believe in something. It would be a lie to myself.

-jakeus

 

[WalkingWolf]

Generally, this is circular logic and idea inventing mixed together. You believe all that because you read all that in a book which justified all that by inventing something which justifies the book. That's just not good enough for me.

Calling atheists children and juveniles is a common tactic for believers because those words indirectly attack that which atheists hold dear, their intelligence. Please stop suggesting that atheists are lesser people because we don't have the same beliefs as you. Many of us used to believe and then decided to ask why.

Edit:
And I can't CHOOSE to believe in something. It would be a lie to myself.

-jakeus

It seems to me you started this thread~correct? The funny thing is I hardly ever see people who have faith system attack those that do not. In fact it is the other way around, and this is what truly baffles me~why does it bother you? The athiests seem to do the very same god darn thing the anti-gun crowd does.

Sometimes minding ones own business is helpful for ones sanity...

 

[Citizen]

SNIP with only 15% believing in a "God," this leaves them to continue their scientific advancements.

(sigh)

Of the remaining 85%, how many are actually working in research that might lead to scientific advancement?

How does belief in a higher power prevent observing natural phemonena--prevent running an experiment and observing the results? Exactly?

The main religious interference with scientific research of which I am aware today in this country is stem-cell research, if the interference is still going on. That still leaves open vast areas of research in physics, chemistry, astronomy, medicine, etc., etc., etc.

Last time I looked, this country has made tons of scientific advancement. Exactly how is all this religiosity preventing scientific advancement in this nation?