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Facebook Live Video Reportedly Captures Moments After Officer Shoots Minnesota Man

WalkingWolf

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so is this blue clown due to be sentenced to prison or will the apologist's say he just wanted to go home? This cop ****** up and murdered a man. I say lock him up. Having a liscense is not reason for concern. No more than my concern that the cops are armed. Same rules that we live under.
We so far have no video leading up to the shooting. If the driver said "I have a gun" and then reaches for wallet it is understandable that the officer may have made the interpretation that he was in danger. This appears to be a tragedy.
 

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You can go with the "the officer thought he was in danger", I'm going with the officer ****** up and murdered this guy. If he can't deal with a legally armed citizen he should be in a box. or underground.
 

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You can go with the "the officer thought he was in danger", I'm going with the officer ****** up and murdered this guy. If he can't deal with a legally armed citizen he should be in a box. or underground.
Some people are blessed to have **total knowledge** of a situation, based only, it seems, on video starting AFTER the incident took place.

I'm not so blessed, and am forced to wait until more complete information comes out in order to render my conclusion.

:banghead:
 

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Cops lie and the PA is in bed with them. (you know they do). Just ask yourself if this was me would I be convicted? They didn't even check on the guy? They didn't care that they just killed someone. No special rules for cops. If its wrong when I do it its wrong for them. Maybe the facts will show the guy made an aggressive move first but I basing this on many instances where the cop freaked and killed him. Freaking out and killing a guy wouldn't work for my defense. I don't give any extra leeway to a badge. Same rights/responsibility for everyone.
 
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solus

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Another good idea is to join the NRA. Put their window sticker in your back window, driver side.

I dealt with police for a long time on a near daily basis. I have had many many many tell me that when they saw that sticker they were much more comfortable on a traffic stop.

snipp...

Nemo
say what?

further, your use of many[SUP]3[/SUP] constitutes expert advice from a group of individuals who are legally able to lie to citizens, who do not know the law, who have QI, ad nauseam....ya i'm going to believe that as should every person of color run out slap one on their vehicles so they do not have to worry about future traffic stops...

thanks needed that chuckle tonight...

ipse

added....got the giggles about your comment on your posting credibility, quote: ...give them the the credibility or lack thereof that you deem proper...unquote
 
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Seems anyone who heard that officer lose his $hit on that video may likely infer how the officer felt about what had just transpired.

This shooting is very bad. That officer has no business wearing a badge, much less being on the street dealing with people.
 
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Visor is a good place, had the carrier in this case thought about being pulled over before it happened he might not been shot. I don't excuse the officer, but I would not carry my papers in my back pocket even IF I was unarmed.
Perhaps he had thought about it. The large majority of sites I've seen with recommendations of behavior during a stop tell people to inform the cop you are armed. To me this is a terrible terrible idea (barring state laws requiring it). That cop seems wound very tightly. My guess is that as soon as the black guy said he had a gun an adrenaline bomb went off inside the cop. Any move after that probably was seen as aggressive.

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While looking for original coverage or comment on the Dead Dallas cops in the local lamestream rag, I noticed their first report of a 14 March cop shooting of a proned-out handcuffed victim.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/crime/man-shot-by-officer-files-injury-claim-against-brown-deer-b99758196z1-385931061.html

How many other such incidents is the lamestream media sitting on?

TRUMP 2016. Samson, tear down this Dogon[sic] Temple!
Mercy. How can you justify shooting someone in the back for something when whatever they were doing to cause you to shoot them isn't enough to sustain charges against them?

#DUMPTRUMP
 

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A non-personal "you" is perfectly acceptable English. Context usually shows its meaning, and an apology when it didn't should be accepted. Everyone's bumper sticker slogans not withstanding, let's get back to the actual story.

Where are all these cops living where they aren't seeing that they just can't do this stuff, nor get away with it anymore? Is police training really that bad? Are departments somehow thinking these situations will never come up in their jurisdictions and simply not training their officers how to react?

Are cops just putting a plan in their heads on how to kill everyone they pull over, and just hoping no "furtive movement" crosses their line in the sand?

Are departments just purposely keeping training so low because they don't think their hall monitors can handle that much decision-making?
 
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gentlemen. Calm down. We do not yet know the whole story. Walkingwolf is right. We need to wait and see. We can't get angry like these dallas snipers and start 'killing' with words. We exercise our 2A rights and need to be an example of sanity
 

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I'm as concerned as any sane person is about permit holders or other lawfully armed (or even unarmed), peaceful citizens getting shot without justification by cops who are not held to account. For that matter, I'm none too happy about an incident a few years back wherein a known felony was shot in the back by a cop as the cop was effecting the arrest. Felon was fully complying. Cop had an ND with his shotgun. If fully complying doesn't prevent getting shot, we all have real worries.

Where police officers violate rights, I want them held to account. When those violations include loss of life or limb, the consequences had better be serious. When the violations are the result of malice or gross negligence or incompetence, I want the bad cops strung up and hung out to dry (metaphorically and legally speaking, of course).

But let us remember that "hands up, don't shoot" turned out to be a bald faced lie in a couple of previous cases. Let us also remember that videos don't necessarily tell the whole story and seeing half a story without the other half can be as deceiving as a fabrication from whole cloth. With good reason is the oath in court to "tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth."

And even if it is eventually proven, in a court of law with full due process (something we'd all want for ourselves if accused of a most serious crime) that a cop, with malicious premeditation, deliberately executed an innocent man, that is not moral or legal justification for open season on all police officers. We are not at war. Police officers are not wearing an enemy uniform. Despite the police unions, brotherhood, or the "blue line", police departments and police officers are not monolithic in this nation. The police are not a foreign, occupying force. Even the most serious criminal conduct on the part of one or two (or 100) officers, cannot justify murder of other officers, and doubly not so officers in a different department in a different State.

Some reports today out of Dallas indicate that one of the murderers indicted a desire to kill "white police officers." Why? Because black cops are less likely to violate rights than white, Asian, or Hispanic officers?

Assuming the reports about the racial nature of the attack are accurate, this is as much a hate-crime as it is an attack on police officers. It is an attempt at a race war every bit as much as a war against cops (good or bad) or the authority of the state. We likely won't hear that angle in the mainstream media. But think about it. Guys who will gun down "white" cops, will just as readily gun down "white" non-cops if they figure that will send the message they want to send.

Even ignoring any racial angle, those who will murder police officers will murder any of the rest of us as well. Dallas was not a case of cops trying to arrest someone. No chance the perpetrators over-reacted or were justly defending their rights. They shot cops who were providing security to what amounts to an anti-cop rally. This is not good for society at any level.

Charles
 
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Lesson 1: Don't inform if you are not legally required to inform.

The Minnesota killing was an awful event.

This incident will likely provide some insights and lessons for armed citizens. The facts are too thin to write about most of them now, but 2 are already clear:

Insight 1: If you are not required by law to inform an officer that you are armed, do not inform the officer.

Insight 2: If you are armed, always carry a running (better yet transmitting) video or voice recorder. If detained, tell the police officer that it is all being recorded in the cloud. [If you live in a so called 2 party state where you cannot video record your own interactions with others without the permission of all others being recorded... MOVE!]

Live Free or Die,
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The Minnesota killing was an awful event.

This incident will likely provide some insights and lessons for armed citizens. The facts are too thin to write about most of them now, but 2 are already clear:

Insight 1: If you are not required by law to inform an officer that you are armed, do not inform the officer.

Insight 2: If you are armed, always carry a running (better yet transmitting) video or voice recorder. If detained, tell the police officer that it is all being recorded in the cloud. [If you live in a so called 2 party state where you cannot video record your own interactions with others without the permission of all others being recorded... MOVE!]

Live Free or Die,
Thundar
No duty to inform here in VA but I personally ended up in a situation a while back where I felt that the odds of my survival got better by informing immediately. It was the best course of action and I was not detained, although I did stick around for a consensual encounter.
 

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"Killing with words." Will wonders never cease. The snowflakes are running the asylum
My nickname is wunderbar. Wonders never cease with me. Yes you can 'kill' people with words from our mouths.
personally it sure looks that the officer over reacted because he was not colorblind. Cops need to be colorblind. It seems from my point of view that Americans of color have a huge problem in their community. They are drug infested and crime ridden. There are exceptions to the rule. We have many great African Americans like Ben Carlson and others who have made it. Many police officers are black. But generally speaking they may have a negative view with police. I think that's why what happened down the road from me happened; possible/ probable overreaction.
 

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It doesn't "sell" as many newspapers.

But if the cop actually thought that they were suspects in prior armed robbery, why did he not call for backup before going to the car? Wouldn't you? Wouldn't this be SOP?

Is the cop basically saying that he had no RAS ? --- saying that a broken tail light was not the reason for the stop.

This guy better be the robber or the cop may be in for some issues.
 

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article's quote:
The two occupants just look like people that were involved in a robbery. The driver looks more like one of our suspects, just ‘cause of the wide set nose.
unquote

i am sure Commander, main stream is not going to deal in hype and hyperbole...i'm sorry if that officer's commentary isn't stereotypical ethnic rhethoric i do not know what is...based on a 'just 'cause' and a drive by glance of a 'wide set nose'...really!!

additional, the article's commentary about what the girlfriend stated and the officer stated is a he said she said and nobody but the nice officer knows for sure if he didn't tell the driver...'i stopped you for a bad tail light'...

monday morning quarterbacking by the nice police agency involved...

ipse
 
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