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jpierce wrote:
Guys,

We probably just won the most significant case involving gun rights in the last 200 years, have seen unprecedented advancement of gun rights over the last several decades against a concerted effort by anti-gun forces, and have been successful in starting the process of normalizing carry and making gun rights a non-partisan civil rights issue.
Tell your buddy Mike to keep an eye on how far his Privileges or Immunities clause will go in McDonald. It will incorporate via 'due process.' P&I is a nonstarter since the (incorrect) ruling in Slaughterhouse. That's why it never had a chance in Colorado in re non-res permits from reciprocity states being honored. Aside from that, good post. Principled people can and will disagree on this forum. And it will get heated, from time to time. Fringe issues are a waste of time and generally moronic.
 

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Glock34 wrote:



OK, When did I make an ILLEGAL death threat against the President ?


Saying that you are waiting for some Horrific event to befall the President , IS NOT MAKING A DEATH THREAT. I NEVER SAID I WAS GOING TO CARRY OUT ANY ACTION AGAINST THE PRESIDENT.

Pace, what you just did was Slander / make a false accusation against me, You said that, I made a death threat against the president, which I NEVER did. John I want a Public Apology from Pace & then I want him KICKED off this forum for making a false statement that could have serious ramifications.
 

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Pace wrote:
Now you are threatening the owners of OCDO with "serious ramifications"? Or is this some sort of threat against me, like you've done against government agencies, the President and others. You've already publically ridiculed the owners of OCDO with your post, as you have done against anyone who disagrees with you.

And you defend yourself that you are a just WISHING for the President to be SHOT? That somehow that makes you less of a despicable, sub-human scumbag?




Glock34 wrote:




OK, When did I make an ILLEGAL death threat against the President ?



Saying that you are waiting for some Horrific event to befall the President , IS NOT MAKING A DEATH THREAT. I NEVER SAID I WAS GOING TO CARRY OUT ANY ACTION AGAINST THE PRESIDENT.

Pace, what you just did was Slander / make a false accusation against me, You said that, I made a death threat against the president, which I NEVER did. John I want a Public Apology from Pace & then I want him KICKED off this forum for making a false statement that could have serious ramifications.
I think he meant serious ramifications for himself. I also think you two need to fist fight.:celebrate
 

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Pace wrote:
My apologies, if yuo read, you'll get an idea what lead to this topic. And he can't shut up.

wrightme wrote:
I find it ironic that some of the issues behind this topic are showing IN this topic......
I have been reading. It takes TWO to continue it. Right now, you are one.
 

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Pace wrote


You should probably STFU and retain an attorney.
It looks like you'd do well to follow your own advice. Or at the very least get yourself some sort of umbrella liability insurance policy before you decide to launch into actions that might otherwise be considered slander.
 

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Gunslinger wrote:
jpierce wrote:
Guys,

We probably just won the most significant case involving gun rights in the last 200 years, have seen unprecedented advancement of gun rights over the last several decades against a concerted effort by anti-gun forces, and have been successful in starting the process of normalizing carry and making gun rights a non-partisan civil rights issue.
Tell your buddy Mike to keep an eye on how far his Privileges or Immunities clause will go in McDonald. It will incorporate via 'due process.' P&I is a nonstarter since the (incorrect) ruling in Slaughterhouse. That's why it never had a chance in Colorado in re non-res permits from reciprocity states being honored. Aside from that, good post. Principled people can and will disagree on this forum. And it will get heated, from time to time. Fringe issues are a waste of time and generally moronic.
You are still confused on what clause you are talking about - the 14th Amendment's P or I clause was neutered in Slaughterhouse, though rehabilitated in part in Saenz, but the Article IV P & I clause remains strong and growing stronger!
 

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Pace wrote:
Now you are threatening the owners of OCDO with "serious ramifications"? Or is this some sort of threat against me, like you've done against government agencies, the President and others. You've already publically ridiculed the owners of OCDO with your post, as you have done against anyone who disagrees with you.

And you defend yourself that you are a just WISHING for the President to be SHOT? That somehow that makes you less of a despicable, sub-human scumbag?


You should probably STFU and retain an attorney. Instead of shutting up and stop making threats to people on this board, "wishing" the President to be shot, you continued spouting your mouth on this board.

The owners were nice enough to delete your post instead of sending it to the US Secret Service, which would have ended you up in the national media as a scumbag, and most likely shown the world that OCDO does not want extremists in its midst. Are you aware that I personally made a decision not to send the screen shot myself?

Instead of being grateful to the moderators of OCDO, you decided to ramble on against their decisions in this forum.











Glock34 wrote:



OK, When did I make an ILLEGAL death threat against the President ?


Saying that you are waiting for some Horrific event to befall the President , IS NOT MAKING A DEATH THREAT. I NEVER SAID I WAS GOING TO CARRY OUT ANY ACTION AGAINST THE PRESIDENT.

Pace, what you just did was Slander / make a false accusation against me, You said that, I made a death threat against the president, which I NEVER did. John I want a Public Apology from Pace & then I want him KICKED off this forum for making a false statement that could have serious ramifications.
I would love to end this little conversation of ours, but you decide to blow it out of proportion & contact LE , regarding a threat against the President I never made, now you are saying that YOU never reported me to LE, which is it...I have you here saying that you did...After your illegal death threat against the President (I kept the screenshot, and it was sent to law enforcement. So, are you now saying that YOU did not send it ? or are you saying that you had SOMEONE ELSE send it & if so, that makes you out to be a real drama queen, but not out of reach of a civil liability law suit for Slandering me on this forum, due to your making a false accusation against me.

so, which is it ? No, Pace , when I said serious ramifications , THAT means LEGAL ACTION & that was directed solely at you , not OCDO. Making stuff like that up about another person is very serious.

My comment while being Politically incorrect & inflammatory , was not a threat against our President in any way, shape or form...the Secret Service would not even waste their time driving up from Milwaukee on this..since no threat was made.

Pace, watch your words on these open forums.......Slander , false accusations & defaming someones character can get you at a minimum , sued.

Good thing for you, I am a nice guy.:cool:

Now it's over & dropped...if you allow it to be, Pace.


 

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Pace: I see you making some grandiose statements which are giving the perception that you have some authority as pertains to OCDO and its governorship/operation.

I know of John Pierce and Mike Stollenwerk as the owners/management of this site. I also know they pulled all moderators about a year before you joined, or as its internally known, the "LEO229 culling."

For the record, have John and or Mike vested you with some authority as pertains to the day-to-day running and direction of OCDO?
 

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I have been asked for us to move on, and for us to keep on topic, which I will. If you have questions, feel free to privately message me.

John awarded me with the grandiose title of "Big Man Who Talks to Much." :p

Glock, I appreciate you being a "nice guy." You have no idea how nice I've been to you, and I'm not going to explain it to you in a public forum, if you'd like to PM me, I'll give you a little bit about my history, and my background.

I'm going to delete some of the more inflammatory part of my post to be a "nice guy."
 

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Mike wrote:
Gunslinger wrote:
jpierce wrote:
Guys,

We probably just won the most significant case involving gun rights in the last 200 years, have seen unprecedented advancement of gun rights over the last several decades against a concerted effort by anti-gun forces, and have been successful in starting the process of normalizing carry and making gun rights a non-partisan civil rights issue.
Tell your buddy Mike to keep an eye on how far his Privileges or Immunities clause will go in McDonald. It will incorporate via 'due process.' P&I is a nonstarter since the (incorrect) ruling in Slaughterhouse. That's why it never had a chance in Colorado in re non-res permits from reciprocity states being honored. Aside from that, good post. Principled people can and will disagree on this forum. And it will get heated, from time to time. Fringe issues are a waste of time and generally moronic.
You are still confused on what clause you are talking about - the 14th Amendment's P or I clause was neutered in Slaughterhouse, though rehabilitated in part in Saenz, but the Article IV P & I clause remains strong and growing stronger!
Brought you out of the woodwork, I see. I know full well the difference between Articles and Amendments. In either case, with respect to gun rights, it's a loser. Too bad in McDonald, as I fully support that section of the 14th being used. But the tone and temper of the supporters of 2A incorporation made it clear that's not the way they're going. As I said before, if anything, it will be 'full faith and credit,' not P&I that could prevail here in CO--and that's unlikely. However, as the CO case died--as I indicated it would, we'll have to table things until something else comes up. And the wording of the 14th pays homage to Article IV. They are connected at the belly button. Neither will decide a gun case in the foreseeable future, imo, because police power with respect to reasonable statutes deliniating the 2nd will become ever stronger. I emphasize "reasonable." And Concealed Carry recognition is reasonable and within the purview of the states via the 10th.
 

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Pace wrote:
SNIP Which part of that this forum is about OpenCarry did people not understand?
Oh, thanks for reminding me.

Four years ago, OC activistswere the ones being treated as"fringe."
 

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I agree that the rights of citizens to keep and bear arms in their own defense are coming into the spotlight, but there is danger out there that goes beyond the Brady Bunch.

Hillary Clinton is in stealthy negotiations on a UN Small Arms Treaty. Things are a bit tougher for the anti-gun Demo-rats because they no longer can prevent a Senate filibuster. and the US Senate must ratify any treaty that binds the US.

I am fortunate to live in a State where an anti-gun candidate will get just two votes; one from him/her self and one from his/her mother. But my brothers and sisters who recognize that Don't Tread On Me was our first flag for a reason, may not be so lucky.

Mid-terms are coming. Do you know where the candidates in your area stand on 2nd Amendment rights? Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is and support them with donations and your vote - making sure they know why you are supporting them.

True Confession: I used to live in the People's Socialist Republic of Wisconsin where concealed carry is not allowed - period. I used to be a LEO there and believed the bull-s*** about the need to keep citizens and guns away from each other. Now I live and work in a CCW State and getting my permit was both liberating and a source of embarrassment - since I had believed the bull-s*** fed me earlier. I have learned that the victims of violent crime in CCW states are often also criminals - the bad guys know better than to attack a citizen who carries themselves well - that could be fatal. Also, since my permit would be at risk, I would go to the Motel 6 rather than exchange an angry word with mama. Domestic disputes are rare in households with at least one CCW.
 

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jpm84092 wrote:
I agree that the rights of citizens to keep and bear arms in their own defense are coming into the spotlight, but there is danger out there that goes beyond the Brady Bunch.

Hillary Clinton is in stealthy negotiations on a UN Small Arms Treaty. Things are a bit tougher for the anti-gun Demo-rats because they no longer can prevent a Senate filibuster. and the US Senate must ratify any treaty that binds the US.

I am fortunate to live in a State where an anti-gun candidate will get just two votes; one from him/her self and one from his/her mother. But my brothers and sisters who recognize that Don't Tread On Me was our first flag for a reason, may not be so lucky.

Mid-terms are coming. Do you know where the candidates in your area stand on 2nd Amendment rights? Are you willing to put your money where your mouth is and support them with donations and your vote - making sure they know why you are supporting them.

True Confession: I used to live in the People's Socialist Republic of Wisconsin where concealed carry is not allowed - period. I used to be a LEO there and believed the bull-s*** about the need to keep citizens and guns away from each other. Now I live and work in a CCW State and getting my permit was both liberating and a source of embarrassment - since I had believed the bull-s*** fed me earlier. I have learned that the victims of violent crime in CCW states are often also criminals - the bad guys know better than to attack a citizen who carries themselves well - that could be fatal. Also, since my permit would be at risk, I would go to the Motel 6 rather than exchange an angry word with mama. Domestic disputes are rare in households with at least one CCW.

 

Once again, another current or former LEO saying something intelligent. Thank you for being so candid. It seems as though more and more LEO's are realizing what a great impact law abiding citizens that carry make.

Thank you for your comment sir!
 

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We now return you to the scheduled program. Darn, what was that?

Oh yeah - John was saying keep on track, I think. :p

Yata hey
 

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Pace wrote:
What John is trying to say, from my conversations with him, and my work on this subject is the following:

OpenCarry.com is about the lawful carry of Firearms Openly and concrete intelligent discussion about following the laws or needed changes in the law.

The problem has occurred where some fringe elements have creeped up that have condoned violating the law, assassination of political figures, destruction of government facilities and revolt against the government. With unfortunate instances of anti-government people firing on officers at the Pentagon, Flying planes into IRS buildings, we need to make clear that the citizens carrying of weapons has nothing to do with revolt against the government, but instead our own personal rights and protecting ourselves and families.

The issue that often happens is that the far-extremes of both sides of political thought often try to take over movements. We run the risk that with this political climate that some moron not affiliated with our movement will advocate violence on this board, and then commit violence. I am of the opinion that there are several people who have engaged in illegal activities on this board, and that more than one of them is affiliated with the neo-nazi movement, and another seems to be an agent provocateur of sorts attempting to goad members into saying questionable things.

This movement has been successful because there are a wide variety of people from LEOS, ministers, liberals, conservatives and even x-anti gun activists who have joined us from all parts of the US.

That being said, I urge everyone to take into consideration that any US vs. THEM attitude is harmful and destructive. Most Americans don't see everything eye-to-eye but we have more common goals and interests that should bring us together.

Bless,

Pace
I will state that I am not anti-government but I am hardcore anti-bad-government!

As for forum use I wonder if John and Mike may consider adding a "general discussion" or rant or off topic link on the site? Or slightly off topic link that covers broader subjects relating to open carry such as other freedom related matters that will allow other indirectly related topics to Open Carry? At least it will keep this material contained neatly in one place.
 
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