Don't be afraid to show your true colors about protecting OC

[mastiff69]

Waste of time throwing Pearls before swine !

Hey all it has been great to see all of you post on hear, it has been age's, well here is the deal, I or we are going to send a post to u about a get together, on line, we all need to talk.

Alot of you have expressed your opinion on here, and as you can see the same old dogs, different names, diferent join times, are on here attacking each as we try to educate them.
I have decided after much energy wasted on them to wash my hands of them ( as it says in the bible short verse throwing pearls before swine) a waste of my time....

 

[jeremiahJohnson]

What?

I would consider supporting some additional restrictions on OC to obtain other gun rights. I can not imagine the additional restrictions or other gun rights might be but I can't say I would never.

I am Against SB 59, and Any Further Legislation against any of my "Certain Unalienable rights"
Sorry no offense but you are on O.C.D.O., and you O.C., but you would be be willing to give up a little freedom to gain additional freedoms?, These freedoms which you already have under the 2nd, and Art. 1 Sec 6.? I'd think you, I, and others would rather Fight to stop any further Legislation of any Kind.

Seems to me it'd be a lot more productive if we all pooled together as 2nd Amendment Advocates in stead of O.C. and C.C. advocates and concentrate on Repealing current UN-Constitutional Laws.

We do nothing for our cause fighting amongst our selves, and we only Fuel the Anti Groups by publicly displaying this fighting.
I'll be the first to admit I am responsible for some of that as well. Heed my words for they are words spoken from my Mistakes.

 

[Raggs]

I didn't take offense, I suspect you don't know me, and don't take my words at face value which is fine. I would point out that I also cant imagine a Bill that I would agree to that limits OC, I am not willing however to say never.

I am Against SB 59, and Any Further Legislation against any of my "Certain Unalienable rights"
Sorry no offense but you are on O.C.D.O., and you O.C., but you'd be willing to give up a little freedom to gain additional freedoms, freedoms which you already have under the 2nd, and Art. 1 Sec 6.

Seems to me it'd be a lot more productive if we all pooled together as 2nd Amendment Advocates in stead of O.C. and C.C. advocates. I believe we should simply combat the addition of new regulations (Pro or anti), and concentrate on Repealing current UN-Constitutional Laws.

We do nothing for our cause fighting amongst our selves, and we only Fuel the Anti Groups by publicly displaying this fighting.
I'll be the first to admit I am responsible for some of that as well. Heed my words for they are words spoken from my Mistakes.

 

[ghostrider]

the arrogance in this post is appalling.

What arrogant is expecting me to explain a clear statement when all he's done on this thread is continue making it about the individuals rather than the merits of the argument, and then think just because I won't play that game means my words are just puff, all the while demonstrating exactly what I and others have pointed out.

And, thinking that nobody will be the wiser. Now, THAT'S arrogant, especially when the obvious goal is not only to resist honest discourse but instead drive it out. Using violence as a means to do so in the process only further demonstrates it.

If any of that is incomprehensible for you then,

"Google. One word, G, O, O, G, L, E. "Google", one word".

Anyways, like I said, "Have fun with your hatefulness", and may your anger subside and you gain peace.

 

[Raggs]

86% of people here voted as following, "I have never and will never support additional restrictions on OC." Yet SB59 passed. Even here, I don't see the results of the poll reflected in the posts.

Michigander was spot on about OC not coming back, among other things. This bill had its good points, but they drew blood.

+1

 

[detroit_fan]

What arrogant is expecting me to explain a clear statement when all he's done on this thread is continue making it about the individuals rather than the merits of the argument, and then think just because I won't play that game means my words are just puff, all the while demonstrating exactly what I and others have pointed out.

And, thinking that nobody will be the wiser. Now, THAT'S arrogant, especially when the obvious goal is not only to resist honest discourse but instead drive it out. Using violence as a means to do so in the process only further demonstrates it.

If any of that is incomprehensible for you then,

"Google. One word, G, O, O, G, L, E. "Google", one word".

Anyways, like I said, "Have fun with your hatefulness", and may your anger subside and you gain peace.

If this is the way you act I'm glad you don't participate here anymore. Maybe you and the other "godfathers of OC" can start your own group, you seem to think that your opinions are the only ones that matter anyways. Best of luck to you in the future

 

[ghostrider]

If this is the way you act I'm glad you don't participate here anymore. Maybe you and the other "godfathers of OC" can start your own group, you seem to think that your opinions are the only ones that matter anyways. Best of luck to you in the future

More lies, and personal attacks. So typical of the cyber bullying that continues to be a problem among the members both here and in MOC, which is further exampled by the leadership even in this thread.

 

[OC for ME]

More lies, and personal attacks. So typical of the cyber bullying that continues to be a problem among the members both here and in MOC, which is further exampled by the leadership even in this thread.

If your perceive that lies and personal attacks are being posted you have some recourse. Click on the little triangle icon (Report Post) located on the bottom left of each post.

Or, you could logout and not visit OCDO thereby avoiding any perceived slights all together.

 

[griffin]

More lies, and personal attacks. So typical of the cyber bullying that continues to be a problem among the members both here and in MOC, which is further exampled by the leadership even in this thread.

Reported.

 

[detroit_fan]

More lies, and personal attacks. So typical of the cyber bullying that continues to be a problem among the members both here and in MOC, which is further exampled by the leadership even in this thread.

what lie? the fact is you basically told ezerharden he was too stupid to understand what you were saying, and basically said it was not worth your time to explain it to him. THAT is the personal attack. I simply said if that is how you are going to act then it's not a loss if you leave.

you have waxed poetically several times here lately how you and the "others" are the ones responsible for OC in MI, but as ezerharden said you wee not down here in monroe doing it with us, so don't try to discredit others contributions and say they are not "real" OC supporters because they may disagree with some of your opinions.

what you really want is to come one here and talk down to us, and us just take it. when we don't just shut up and take it, we are "personally attacking you" according to you. when you make accusations you have to expect those people to respond, and respond in a defensive manner if you are questioning their integrity and devotion. that is not an attack, it is the truth

 

[ghostrider]

what lie? the fact is you basically told ezerharden he was too stupid to understand what you were saying,

That's a lie.

and basically said it was not worth your time to explain it to him.

That's true.

THAT is the personal attack.

That's a lie.

I simply said if that is how you are going to act then it's not a loss if you leave.

That's a lie.

you have waxed poetically several times here lately how you and the "others" are the ones responsible for OC in MI...

That's a lie.

, ... so don't try to discredit others contributions and say they are not "real" OC supporters because they may disagree with some of your opinions.

The implication that that's what I'm saying is a lie.

what you really want is to come one here and talk down to us, and us just take it.

That's a lie.

when we don't just shut up and take it, we are "personally attacking you" according to you.

Another misrepresentation (lie).

when you make accusations you have to expect those people to respond, and respond in a defensive manner if you are questioning their integrity and devotion.

Another lie (the responses were aggressive not defensive).

that is not an attack, it is the truth

Another lie. See above.

 

[Ezerharden]

what lie? the fact is you basically told ezerharden he was too stupid to understand what you were saying, and basically said it was not worth your time to explain it to him. THAT is the personal attack. I simply said if that is how you are going to act then it's not a loss if you leave.

you have waxed poetically several times here lately how you and the "others" are the ones responsible for OC in MI, but as ezerharden said you wee not down here in monroe doing it with us, so don't try to discredit others contributions and say they are not "real" OC supporters because they may disagree with some of your opinions.

what you really want is to come one here and talk down to us, and us just take it. when we don't just shut up and take it, we are "personally attacking you" according to you. when you make accusations you have to expect those people to respond, and respond in a defensive manner if you are questioning their integrity and devotion. that is not an attack, it is the truth

Thanks, glad another sees this individual and his supporters for what they are. But you should know you are wasting your time trying to talk to them. As I have said before, it's like arguing with an echo. Fact of the matter is, they are upset that SB59 closed a LOOPHOLE that allowed the PRIVILEGE of OC in PFZ's if you had the PRIVILEGE oc a CPL.

If they leave, good riddance, if they stay, well every community needs comic relief.

 

[Ezerharden]

It's not a loophole. Why it isn't has been explained repeatedly. It's not a privilege either, carrying is a right. Just because those in authority break their oaths, and either write or enforce laws that infringe upon those rights, does not mean that they are not rights. You may incur penalties for exercising those rights, but they are still rights.

Funney, even Sen Green called it a loophole, and he is a person that makes laws. Guess he just doesn't understand the laws either. Hey I have an idea, go exercise your right at the local school. Come on, it's your right, go use it. Never mind those pesky things called laws, they are unconstitutional according to you so a judge would have to rule in your favor.

You know I feel like I have had this conversation before, with another person. Almost word for word. Wonder why that is.

 

[Raggs]

Funney, even Sen Green called it a loophole, and he is a person that makes laws. Guess he just doesn't understand the laws either. Hey I have an idea, go exercise your right at the local school. Come on, it's your right, go use it. Never mind those pesky things called laws, they are unconstitutional according to you so a judge would have to rule in your favor.

You know I feel like I have had this conversation before, with another person. Almost word for word. Wonder why that is.

You are so right! I am sure those other legislators are always writing good well thought out laws! oh wait...

 

[Ezerharden]

Maybe they do maybe they don't but at least they know what a law is. As opposed to some here.


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[mastiff69]

pic pic pic atttack etc..... ignorance is bliss, may your travels be interesting !

I have OC'ed in a school, several times
right here in Battle Creek Mi, 2009 at my boy's High school,
& and was asked once by the Front office, then continued on my way,
( called OC with A CPL) was not asked to leave, no police were called.
Then I left with one of my son's for an appointment.

I could tell you about alot of thing's that I/ we have done before you came on board but again you KNOW it all, attack, attack, attack, thats all i see is certain individuals on here, you are doing nothing but being Jack--ses. I see that this site has not improved one bit, & this is the reason that most of us OLD TIMERS, left here to begin with !

 

[Ezerharden]

I have OC'ed in a school, several times
right here in Battle Creek Mi, 2009 at my boy's High school,
& and was asked once by the Front office, then continued on my way,
( called OC with A CPL) was not asked to leave, no police were called.
Then I left with one of my son's for an appointment.

I could tell you about alot of thing's that I/ we have done before you came on board but again you KNOW it all, attack, attack, attack, thats all i see is certain individuals on here, you are doing nothing but being Jack--ses. I see that this site has not improved one bit, & this is the reason that most of us OLD TIMERS, left here to begin with !

This exactly. Can't OC in a school without one, can't CC in a school with one. Privilege.

 

[Shadow Bear]

It's not a loophole. Why it isn't has been explained repeatedly. It's not a privilege either, carrying is a right. Just because those in authority break their oaths, and either write or enforce laws that infringe upon those rights, does not mean that they are not rights. You may incur penalties for exercising those rights, but they are still rights.

You may want to do a search on the forum for posts from a former user (stainless1911). He got banned for espousing the same sort of drivel- you DO NOT want to go down the same path.

In fact, he got jammed up by law enforcement for doing exactly what you are proposing. He then didn't have the nuggets to actually follow through with his case.


His suggestions were at times poor advise, and strayed well into advocating illegal activities. Both are violations of the user agreement. Don't be THAT guy...

 

[jeremiahJohnson]

Wow Civility in Debate.

I didn't take offense, I suspect you don't know me, and don't take my words at face value which is fine. I would point out that I also cant imagine a Bill that I would agree to that limits OC, I am not willing however to say never.

Fair Enough.