Don't be afraid to show your true colors about protecting OC

[mastiff69]

been there done that !

Shadow bear many of us are forged by fire, some are possers,
some come in here & say they are life long OCer's but yet they only start posting in the last yr etc...
Never seen that any events etc...
my question would be to them ( where have you been brother ?)
As far on the east side we have been there Warren etc...
I & autosergon & others went to era mi to correct a problem on our motorcycles SEE my PIC says it all.

We have stood our ground, Ghostrider, autosergon, cabman, taxwhat, warchild, venator,stilly, wizard, etc.. so many are gone now becouse of the power plays, the leaders of the past have damaged MOC. Not all but enough.

When a man has, political goals, & does not care, he will throw everyone under the bus, or give away everything that belongs to others to reach his goal, with no regard for others, sound about right ?

 

[griffin]

Shadow bear many of us are forged by fire, some are possers

Who do you think are posers?

some come in here & say they are life long OCer's but yet they only start posting in the last yr

Can you name one person that claims to be a lifelong OCer, yet has only begun posting in the last year? Other than the "life-long OCers" that have just recently come out of the woodwork to oppose SB59?

We have stood our ground, Ghostrider, autosergon, cabman, taxwhat, warchild, venator, stilly, wizard, etc.. so many are gone now becouse of the power plays, the leaders of the past have damaged MOC. Not all but enough.

You say the leaders of THE PAST have damaged MOC. Yet the fact that they are of the past means they are now gone, yes? Do you know that some in your list are for SB59? That some even voted to support it? Yet they are the stalwart, the die-hard, the tempered by fire OCers who you praise on one hand and condemn in the other.

When a man has, political goals, & does not care, he will throw everyone under the bus, or give away everything that belongs to others to reach his goal, with no regard for others, sound about right ?

Are you talking about our legislature, governor, MOC board, or any combination of the three?

 

[ghostrider]

Dont recall seeing any of you down here in Monroe County, I was here...

So typical.

, some issues at one point, none now. How did you make it more mainstream in my neck of the woods? While I appreciate that you 4 may have been the basis for MOC, I am not going to simply bow down and confer the title of Founders of Open Carry in MI. There were many more I would imagine, some of whom may not ever be here yet.

nor would I, but my statement still stands, and this has nothing to do with it.

 

[mastiff69]

been there done that !

Shadow bear many of us are forged by fire, some are possers,
some come in here & say they are life long OCer's but yet they only start posting in the last yr etc...
Never seen that any events etc...
my question would be to them ( where have you been brother ?)
As far on the east side we have been there Warren etc...
I & autosergon & others went to era mi to correct a problem on our motorcycles SEE my PIC says it all.

We have stood our ground, Ghostrider, autosergon, cabman, taxwhat, warchild, venator,stilly, wizard, etc.. so many are gone now becouse of the power plays, the leaders of the past have damaged MOC. Not all but enough.

When a man has, political goals, & does not care, he will throw everyone under the bus, or give away everything that belongs to others to reach his goal, with no regard for others, sound about right ?
***Clarifacation *** hope this helps you !
MY meaning of posser = person who does not do anything to support progun issues, pounds their chest on this or other sites but never spends any money to support the cause,never comes to events, (talk the talk but does not walk the walk) is in it for their own personal gain thats a posser !

 

[Ezerharden]

So typical.

What is "so typical"? Please elaborate on this rather short and vague comment.

 

[griffin]

If you are going to keep posting the same assertions, I am going to keep asking the same questions of you.

Shadow bear many of us are forged by fire, some are possers

Who do you think are posers?

some come in here & say they are life long OCer's but yet they only start posting in the last yr

Can you name one person that claims to be a lifelong OCer, yet has only begun posting in the last year? Other than the "life-long OCers" that have just recently come out of the woodwork to oppose SB59?

We have stood our ground, Ghostrider, autosergon, cabman, taxwhat, warchild, venator, stilly, wizard, etc.. so many are gone now becouse of the power plays, the leaders of the past have damaged MOC. Not all but enough.

You say the leaders of THE PAST have damaged MOC. Yet the fact that they are of the past means they are now gone, yes? Do you know that some in your list are for SB59? That some even voted to support it? Yet they are the stalwart, the die-hard, the tempered by fire OCers who you praise on one hand and condemn in the other.

When a man has, political goals, & does not care, he will throw everyone under the bus, or give away everything that belongs to others to reach his goal, with no regard for others, sound about right ?

Are you talking about our legislature, governor, MOC board, or any combination of the three?

 

[mastiff69]

dig & find, seek & find, listen & learn.....

Griffin if you want those answers to my post they are in the old posts, I am not going to take the time to go back and find all those posts & do the reseach for you.
I & othrs have already been there, type in google for MOC or open carry and (READ FOR YOURSELF), YOU WILL EVEN FIND THINGS ABOUT ME !
Dig my friend & ye shall find !
Seek & ye will SEE !
Let me know what you find happy hunting !!!

 

[griffin]

Griffin if you want those answers to my post they are in the old posts, I am not going to take the time to go back and find all those posts & do the reseach for you.

When I began OCing last summer I joined OCDO and MOC and read threads for hours and hours. I do my homework first. I read all on MOC and went back a couple of years on OCDO. I read hundreds and hundreds of threads and thousands of posts. You are making assertions that I don't think are backed up by posts.

type in google for MOC or open carry and (READ FOR YOURSELF)

Yeah, that's real helpful. "Type MOC or OC in google." Give me a clue, give me a couple of search parameters. Names, dates, incidents, statements, something.

 

[mastiff69]

Battle creek enquirer, MOC or open carry, written
wwnt ch3 news open carry moc it is there.video
google news moc president etc it all out there ! written & video
look outside of ocdo,moc for news events, research, call it a treasure hunt !
new era open carry,
just about every city or town has a editorial etc about open carry

OK i have given more than enough leads !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[griffin]

Battle creek enquirer, MOC or open carry, written
wwnt ch3 news open carry moc it is there.video

Okay, I tried the first two leads. These seemed specific enough. You know what I found? Nothing but positive press for Michigan Open Carry.

What was the third isue, one of MOC's previous presidents? I believe he had some personal issues and I have read threads and seen news video. But he's not the president and hasn't been for a while, has he? Perhaps you'd like to lead the organization? Or do you just what to whine like a little girl?

Oh, and see my lengthy reply to your PM.

 

[kubel]

Why? What did I get myself into???

You did nothing wrong.

 

[Raggs]

You did nothing wrong.

yeah, not like he in hand open carried

 

[Tucker6900]

A.

 

[Shadow Bear]

yeah, not like he in hand open carried

Lets not go there- that moron got himself banned for posting incorrect and misleading information; he was going to get some newbie jammed up with the law.

 

[HKcarrier]

Lets not go there- that moron got himself banned for posting incorrect and misleading information; he was going to get some newbie jammed up with the law.

Yeah, I bet Stainless is -still- BOILING over that debacle. It must have really sucked for him to be FROG marched out of his last bastion of OC hope...



x^D

 

[detroit_fan]

Yeah, I bet Stainless is -still- BOILING over that debacle. It must have really sucked for him to be FROG marched out of his last bastion of OC hope...



x^D

the funny thing is he knows some of us are monitoring the MCRGO FB right now, and the BOILING posts by the FROG are identical to the ones being posted on MCRGO by a guy who's name rhymers with Schmeal Parpenter.

 

[ghostrider]

What is "so typical"? Please elaborate on this rather short and vague comment.

It's simple enough that I don't care to explain it to you. Not my problem you don't get it.

Have fun.

 

[Ezerharden]

It's simple enough that I don't care to explain it to you. Not my problem you don't get it.

Have fun.

Gotcha, just another pot shot in the dark with no real substance. Have a nice day.

 

[detroit_fan]

It's simple enough that I don't care to explain it to you. Not my problem you don't get it.

Have fun.

the arrogance in this post is appalling.

 

[ghostrider]

Okay, I tried the first two leads. These seemed specific enough. You know what I found? Nothing but positive press for Michigan Open Carry.

What was the third isue, one of MOC's previous presidents? I believe he had some personal issues and I have read threads and seen news video. But he's not the president and hasn't been for a while, has he? Perhaps you'd like to lead the organization? Or do you just what to whine like a little girl?

Oh, and see my lengthy reply to your PM.

That is the same type of hate filled theoretic that has become so typical of this place and MOC. What really bad about it is that it plays right into the hands of the anti's when they accuse gun owners of, "...compensating for ...insecurities in other areas..."

It's sad enough that those who cannot (obviously) form a more articulated argument have to resort to such childish tactics (See above for how the leadership sets the example) because they feel they just have to do something. Of course it's not their fault as the board owners are fully aware of it.

Now I remember why I stopped coming here.

Have fun with your hate.