Do cops believe themselves to be above the law?

[Ghost1958]

If you are OC on the street, there is no duty to inform. However, it is kinda obvious.

If the stop is a traffic stop, being OC in the car requires a license. I’d inform the officer.

Thanks. Been a while since I last rode around in OHIO, I wasn't sure.

 

[eye95]

You are welcome.

 

[HP995]

Wait...how can the law be above the law? Or vice versa?

Most cops think they are the law. So true.

Maybe it's contagious. Judges think they (judges) and their little cop helpers are the law. Bureaucrats and officials and politicians feel the law doesn't apply to VIPs and they bend it at will. Hell, it even seems that at least half of my fellow non-guv citizens don't bother to follow the law and somehow feel justified to mess with the other half. Getting tired of all the greed and attitude.

 

[OC for ME]

More data: https://www.stltoday.com/news/local...e_d872c572-4239-5f8a-9ce7-8588899f802f.html#9

Do not get side tracked on the complaints of inadequate service. Again, when do we get to paint with a slightly broader brush. Can I paint STLMPD in toto? It would be easier/faster than listing each untrained/under trained officer.

 

[BB62]

There have been several rulings from around the US that the mere act of lawful carry does not provide RAS for a stop. (US v. Black, among others. I think the Ohio case is called Northcutt v. Toledo.) ...

The case was Northrup v. Toledo.

 

[eye95]

Thank you for the correction. I’ll go back and edit my post.

 

[OC for ME]

Update

ST. LOUIS • A bond hearing for a St. Louis police officer accused of killing a fellow officer in a Russian roulette-like shooting was continued Monday until April.
Nathaniel Hendren, 29, will remain on house arrest at an undisclosed location until then.

St. Louis police officer accused of killing colleague appears in court as victim's mother looks on

Nathaniel Hendren, 29, remains on house arrest, charged with involuntary manslaughter in the January shooting death of Katlyn Alix.

www.stltoday.com

Amazing the other cop is not charged with criminal violations for not stopping the "game." Then again, cops have no duty to protect the public...or cops.

 

[color of law]

If you are OC on the street, there is no duty to inform. However, it is kinda obvious.

If the stop is a traffic stop, being OC in the car requires a license. I’d inform the officer.

OC in a car has nothing to do with it. It is inposable to OC in your car in Ohio. Having a firearm in your car is illegal. A firearm in a car is considered concealed, period. Now, there are exceptions. You can carry a loaded handgun in a car if you have a CCL. No CCL, then you have to transport the unloaded handgun in specific ways per statute.

 

[eye95]

sigh

If you are OC in the car, you either have a license or you are breaking the law. Clearly, I am talking about the case where you are licensed. You won’t find me to be one of the people on this site advocating breaking the law.

But, hey, you do you.

 

[color of law]

sigh

If you are OC in the car, you either have a license or you are breaking the law. Clearly, I am talking about the case where you are licensed. You won’t find me to be one of the people on this site advocating breaking the law.

But, hey, you do you.

“Sigh” That’s it? You are one of the reasons people get themselves in trouble. They listen to know-it-all's like you. Your statement is misleading and actually contrary to Ohio law.

You have said many times that you don’t like people putting words into your mouth. You also say you mean what you say. So, based on your standards you have intentionally chosen to bait a person into possibly breaking the law.

You even pointed to Northrup v. City of Toledo Police Dept., 785 F. 3d 1128 - Court of Appeals, 6th Circuit 2015. Northrup clearly pointed out that open carry (OC) is a visible firearm carried in the public. If the firearm is not visible then it is concealed. Your motor vehicle is in the public and therefor the loaded firearm within the motor vehicle is concealed. Legally, it is impossible to open carry (OC) in a motor vehicle, even if it is visible.

You, try to justify your statement by saying: “Clearly, I am talking about the case where you are licensed.” This is a purposeful intent by you to justify your false statement. The fact is you made a misrepresentation of material fact with intent to disregard the truth of the matter. This is unacceptable and is in violation of the forum rules.

I can only suggest that you may want to lay down your army issued folding shovel before you dig your hole any deeper.

Have a nice day.

 

[solus]

LEs above the law, nawlll...
Stop in McD in NWV and found 5 LE agency vehicles in the parking lot.

Went inside saw six uniforms sitting at a large table in the back. As i was ordering, made a comment to the mgr about must not be much crime going on as it appeared the whole agency was here.

Her smiling unhesitated response, quote:

The entire department eats there as this McD doesn’t charge them so they eat for free!

Unquote

 

[eye95]

“Sigh” That’s it? You are one of the reasons people get themselves in trouble. They listen to know-it-all's like you. Your statement is misleading and actually contrary to Ohio law.

You have said many times that you don’t like people putting words into your mouth. You also say you mean what you say. So, based on your standards you have intentionally chosen to bait a person into possibly breaking the law.

You even pointed to Northrup v. City of Toledo Police Dept., 785 F. 3d 1128 - Court of Appeals, 6th Circuit 2015. Northrup clearly pointed out that open carry (OC) is a visible firearm carried in the public. If the firearm is not visible then it is concealed. Your motor vehicle is in the public and therefor the loaded firearm within the motor vehicle is concealed. Legally, it is impossible to open carry (OC) in a motor vehicle, even if it is visible.

You, try to justify your statement by saying: “Clearly, I am talking about the case where you are licensed.” This is a purposeful intent by you to justify your false statement. The fact is you made a misrepresentation of material fact with intent to disregard the truth of the matter. This is unacceptable and is in violation of the forum rules.

I can only suggest that you may want to lay down your army issued folding shovel before you dig your hole any deeper.

Have a nice day.

The problem is YOU stirring up trouble, picking nits that don’t need to be picked.

OC in a car is entirely possible since “OC” is not mentioned in the law. Therefore plain-language would mean the the fire is not actually covered up with clothing. I did mention that a license was necessary and said the the officer should be notified.

You are just behaving like a jerk—willfully, and I have had it with not pointing out to you bluntly that you are behaving that way.

And adult would point out that I said “this” and I should have said “that”. If you took the adult tack, and were right, I would say, “thank you” and move on. Instead, you have to go all I-want-people-to-think-I-am-a-lawyer, writing overwrought explanations of things that are really simple, such as:

If you are open carrying in a car, that requires a license, and you should inform the officer.

I will not help you further destroy yet another thread.

 

[solus]

The problem is YOU stirring up trouble, picking nits that don’t need to be picked.

OC in a car is entirely possible since “OC” is not mentioned in the law. Therefore plain-language would mean the the fire is not actually covered up with clothing. I did mention that a license was necessary and said the the officer should be notified.

You are just behaving like a jerk—willfully, and I have had it with not pointing out to you bluntly that you are behaving that way.

And adult would point out that I said “this” and I should have said “that”. If you took the adult tack, and were right, I would say, “thank you” and move on. Instead, you have to go all I-want-people-to-think-I-am-a-lawyer, writing overwrought explanations of things that are really simple, such as:

If you are open carrying in a car, that requires a license, and you should inform the officer.

I will not help you further destroy yet another thread.

Eye95, your statement of the first bolded snippet above, per handgunlaw.us [1) It is illegal to carry a loaded firearm in any vehicle without a valid Permit/License. 2) Open Carry is legal but you must have a valid permit/license to carry to carry a handgun in a vehicle.] [cite: https://www.handgunlaw.us/states/ohio.pdf ] is incorrect, no if and or buts, therefore you are in fact presenting information advocating members abrogate the sovereign laws of the great state of OHIO.

Reference your statement of the second bolded snippet above, ORC 2923.16 just states you should inform the officer you and/or the occupant(s) '...have been issued a concealed license' or '...authorized to carry a concealed handgun as a member of the uniformed services' not that you have a firearm in the vehicle. therefore another misstatement of fact!

 

[color of law]

The problem is YOU stirring up trouble, picking nits that don’t need to be picked.

OC in a car is entirely possible since “OC” is not mentioned in the law. Therefore plain-language would mean the the fire is not actually covered up with clothing. I did mention that a license was necessary and said the the officer should be notified.

You are just behaving like a jerk—willfully, and I have had it with not pointing out to you bluntly that you are behaving that way.

And adult would point out that I said “this” and I should have said “that”. If you took the adult tack, and were right, I would say, “thank you” and move on. Instead, you have to go all I-want-people-to-think-I-am-a-lawyer, writing overwrought explanations of things that are really simple, such as:

If you are open carrying in a car, that requires a license, and you should inform the officer.

I will not help you further destroy yet another thread.

You are in a state of denial. I know a physiologist that could help you. But, before a physiologist can help, you have to admit you have a problem. Your problem is you don't like what the law is and you want to blame the messenger.