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Do Americans actually think..

protect our rights

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There are a few prohibited weapons that can be passed down (only some handguns) and not any rifles or machine guns that are prohibited. They can only be passed to family, and that family member will get a Prohibited License for possession ONLY, so they can not buy, sell, or trade those weapons.

Any prohibited rifles, machine guns, or handguns that can't be passed down, are destroyed or deactivated.
I heard crime is on the rise in urban area up there..... Huh. Wonder why? (scratching head)
 

Daylen

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There are a few prohibited weapons that can be passed down (only some handguns) and not any rifles or machine guns that are prohibited. They can only be passed to family, and that family member will get a Prohibited License for possession ONLY, so they can not buy, sell, or trade those weapons.

Any prohibited rifles, machine guns, or handguns that can't be passed down, are destroyed or deactivated.
So do people ever bring them across the boarder and sell it in the US? or do they simply let the arms be destroyed?
 

MikeTheGreek

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So do people ever bring them across the boarder and sell it in the US? or do they simply let the arms be destroyed?
Somebody I went to high school with smuggled over 200 guns across the border with his sister. They're both in prison.

Legally, if you have the right paperwork you can transfer guns to the USA (not 100% sure). But, I don't think you can transfer prohibited weapons to the USA, and I know you can't bring them into Canada.

Everything is registered, especially prohibited, and legally the cops can come into your house ANYTIME they want, without notice, to check and make sure your weapons are locked up and not loaded. So..If you did sell a gun to somebody in the USA, I doubt they would just let go of the fact one of your prohibited firearms were missing.
 

Aknazer

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Actually that's incorrect. If a firearm is stored in a safe you can store ammunition and loaded magazines next to it, same goes for storage in cabinets.

Separate storage of ammunition only applies if you keep a rifle or shotgun trigger/cable locked and not in a locking container. So long as they're disabled with said locks you can just store them under your bed, but ammo needs to be in another room or in a locked container.
Ahh, that would allow one to more quickly respond, but still requires them to keep their safe in their room and still prevents them from being able to defend theirself when not at home (or should someone break in when they aren't close to the safe). And to me that would still be pretty bad as it still greatly restricts one's ability to defend theirself.

I heard you can get a carry permit to carry on base? I wont be reserves, so I'll most likely live on base. Unless, can you get an apartment off base if you're single? (I know that you get free lodging on base but I'm not sure if living off base is an option)
You can't get a carry permit to carry on base. Even security forces and OSI can't carry while on base unless they are on duty and the gun was issued to them from the armory (at which point they have to turn in the gun once their shift ends).

As for storage, it depends on your service. I've heard of Army/Marine barracks having their own mini-armory at the actual barracks for weapons (dunno if all of them have this though), while in the AF (and I would assume the Navy as well) you have to use the base armory. Firearms are not allowed to be stored in the barracks or at the base hotel (I had the cops called on me for that one when I simply asked the hotel manager their policy, but that's another story...). If you live in actual base housing then you can store the weapons at your house, but there's requirements for doing so. In addition, any weapon stored on base (whether at the armory or in on-base housing) requires paperwork. I can't speak for other services (though I assume it's very similar if not the same), but in the AF the paperwork has various info about the weapons and must be signed by your commander specially stating where the weapons are being stored.

For your final question. Each base and service is different in regards to when one can move out of the dorms. You would need to get to your base and ask the question to your leadership, but in the AF you generally have to be at least a Senior Airman (E-4) before being able to move off base when single (or married, but don't get married to move off base as people do get kicked out for doing that). Oh and once you get to the point to be able to move out of the dorms know that if you decide you want to try and live in base housing there's generally a waiting list (but again this is base dependent and the length of the list varies from each base).
 

Daylen

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Somebody I went to high school with smuggled over 200 guns across the border with his sister. They're both in prison.

Legally, if you have the right paperwork you can transfer guns to the USA (not 100% sure). But, I don't think you can transfer prohibited weapons to the USA, and I know you can't bring them into Canada.

Everything is registered, especially prohibited, and legally the cops can come into your house ANYTIME they want, without notice, to check and make sure your weapons are locked up and not loaded. So..If you did sell a gun to somebody in the USA, I doubt they would just let go of the fact one of your prohibited firearms were missing.
I was more referring to legal transfers. I know some would not be able to be imported on US laws, but it seems there are many types of arms that would easily get the ok from atf. I didn't realize Canada was really trying to destroy the wealth of arms instead of simply prohibit ownership.
 

MikeTheGreek

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I was more referring to legal transfers. I know some would not be able to be imported on US laws, but it seems there are many types of arms that would easily get the ok from atf. I didn't realize Canada was really trying to destroy the wealth of arms instead of simply prohibit ownership.
I know you can sometimes transfer firearms to the USA, but you need to fill out a bunch of paperwork for it, and I'm not sure which firearms you can transfer. Also, there are a lot of weapons that are legal in Canada, that are not in Michigan. Such as many different rifles that Canadians can own, but Americans cant.

I'm sure you could legally transfer one or two handguns, but I don't think you can transfer your whole collection, or prohibited weapons.
 

MikeTheGreek

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Any Norinco firearms (1911's, M14's, Type 97A)
TAR-21
G36
UMP
DSR-1
Rifles over .50cal (PTRS-41)

Pretty much anything that the US restricts for importation, is legal in Canada. No stupid ATF laws or Assault weapon bans in Canada.

Any firearm that's legal for a civilian to own in Canada, can be imported, no problem.
 

protect our rights

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Any Norinco firearms (1911's, M14's, Type 97A)
TAR-21
G36
UMP
DSR-1
Rifles over .50cal (PTRS-41)

Pretty much anything that the US restricts for importation, is legal in Canada. No stupid ATF laws or Assault weapon bans in Canada.

Any firearm that's legal for a civilian to own in Canada, can be imported, no problem.
I can legally own those long guns. You didn't specify you were talking about importing you simply said they we here in the USA couldn't own them. Which like I said I can. Also we don't have an assault weapon ban anymore.
 

MikeTheGreek

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I can legally own those long guns. You didn't specify you were talking about importing you simply said they we here in the USA couldn't own them. Which like I said I can. Also we don't have an assault weapon ban anymore.

You can own them, yes, but you can't legally import them. They aren't illegal to own, just restricted to import. The few on that list that are in the US, are not available to the public, and there are only a few of them
 

sudden valley gunner

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You can defend yourself no problem, as long as the gun wasnt loaded before the incident. A man in Quebec shot 2 cops in self defense when they illegally executed a no-knock warrant on his home at 3am, with his 2 kids and wife in the house. He shot the one cop in the head, and the heart, with a 357 at point blank range, and was found innocent of murder charges.
Do you have a cite for this? I'd like to read up on it, you can PM me if you don't want to post it here or feel it is off topic.

It seems odd to me that a homeowner with a locked up gun and separated ammo were able to get the drop on two police officers.
 

MikeTheGreek

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Do you have a cite for this? I'd like to read up on it, you can PM me if you don't want to post it here or feel it is off topic.

It seems odd to me that a homeowner with a locked up gun and separated ammo were able to get the drop on two police officers.
Sure, here ya go. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basil_Parasiris

It has the information there, you can also google his name and find multiple articles.

There has never been a Canadian convicted of Improper Storage Of A Firearm, with regards to self defense shootings, if they were ruled that use of deadly force was justified.
 

Daylen

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Its easy to import arms that are banned from import in the US; and legal too. Simply destroy the receiver so ATF will say it is now a bunch of parts and not a firearm and then continue whatever bs one must go through for importing. Now one just has to build/buy a new reciever and some new parts made in the US. Or just buy a US made version of the firearm.
 

Brimstone Baritone

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Americans think you can't own guns in Canada because:

1) We tend to believe what we've been told when it doesn't directly affect us. That's the reason we think you all say 'eh' and 'aboot'. ;)

2) Given what you've told us about firearm ownership in Canada vs. most of the US, the assumption isn't too far off. The fact that anyone could think those arcane and useless restrictions are 'not too bad' just blows my mind.
 

MikeTheGreek

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Americans think you can't own guns in Canada because:

1) We tend to believe what we've been told when it doesn't directly affect us. That's the reason we think you all say 'eh' and 'aboot'. ;)

2) Given what you've told us about firearm ownership in Canada vs. most of the US, the assumption isn't too far off. The fact that anyone could think those arcane and useless restrictions are 'not too bad' just blows my mind.

When you grow up with something, it seems like it's normal.

When I moved to Michigan, and saw the gun laws, I was like wtf...Canada's gun laws suck!

Most Canadians think our laws are totally normal, & are like that in most places.
 

Daylen

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When you grow up with something, it seems like it's normal.

When I moved to Michigan, and saw the gun laws, I was like wtf...Canada's gun laws suck!

Most Canadians think our laws are totally normal, & are like that in most places.
Sounds like Canadians need to take a trip to some of our western states that have almost no restrictions on arms. Should make for a real :shocker:
 

MikeTheGreek

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Sounds like Canadians need to take a trip to some of our western states that have almost no restrictions on arms. Should make for a real :shocker:
Haha. The only way I'd ever move back to Canada is to be a cop after the army. Cops in Detroit make between 20 and 30 starting (Something I was told by a Detroit cop a few years back)

but, directly across the Detroit bridge, in Windsor, Ontario, starting cops make about 47k starting.

Considering the fact, 2 years ago, a police officer was shot in Windsor, & he was the first cop to be killed in 95 years there. I think it's a bit more safe for cops..lol
 
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