tracylaud83
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How can this site be Anti-LEO, when you have LEO on here.
FLEO at that...
How can this site be Anti-LEO, when you have LEO on here.
FLEO at that...
Woo hoo! Haldane! Thank you for his mention. I hope that you have read him.Theories have four stages of acceptance:
I) This is worthless nonsense.
II) This is an interesting, but perverse, point of view.
III) This is true but quite unimportant.
IV) I have always said so.
J.B.S. Haldane, 1963
It seems like those so easily offended by the title of this thread are stuck somewhere between the first and second stages.
In the short term titles such as "Sieg Heil! Dickson City, PA police..." may actually appear to do some harm at first glance.
But the true measure are what is gained over the long term...
There is no need to attack BB62 for doing exactly what we always ask people to do ... "Live every moment as if you were a public relations director for the 2nd Amendment".BB62 wrote:"Marginalises us"? What kinda liberal horseshit is this? You sound like one of those folks whowants reduced sentencingfor criminals that had a bad childhood.If the intentis to get hardcore RKBA people fired up, fine, but IMHO it is still over the top, and marginalizes us.
I bet you're wearing a "hug a wifebeater" shirt.
Quite frankly, the reason you can say that here is because you have never had to say it to a cop. It's a great sentiment, but do you have thestones to back it up? That's rhetorical, by the way; the last thing I want from this is a reply to the effect of "bring it on, baconators".From my cold dead hands
...Further to that, they cannot be allowed to operate with impunity. There are plenty of lawyers who agree and will go after them for 1983 violations. State tort laws often have first dibs, so you need to have a lawyer who knows both state and federal civil rights violation law. Then, you make them pay...
That is irrelevant in a tort action. It can be a factor in a 1983 Fed action, but not absolutely necessary. Also, the definition of 'pattern' is nebulous. Condoning by the chief of police a single act of violation of one's constitution rights can be enough.Gunslinger wrote:...Further to that, they cannot be allowed to operate with impunity. There are plenty of lawyers who agree and will go after them for 1983 violations. State tort laws often have first dibs, so you need to have a lawyer who knows both state and federal civil rights violation law. Then, you make them pay...
You mention lawyers - I posted over on the PA forum and got no answer, yet...
Because of my experience (stopped at gunpoint by 3 officers while walking down the street OCing), andthe answers I received from various attorneys,I think it is unlikely that anyone other than PA Patriot (if he is able to) could get "compensation" for what happened, because there is no pattern of illegal behavior (at least not yet) on the police's part.
Does anyone want to agree, or enlighten me otherwise?
BB62, it says you're in Cincinnati, Ohio. Were your open carrying experiencesin the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, or in the State of Ohio?Because of my experience (stopped at gunpoint by 3 officers while walking down the street OCing), andthe answers I received from various attorneys,I think it is unlikely that anyone other than PA Patriot (if he is able to) could get "compensation" for what happened, because there is no pattern of illegal behavior (at least not yet) on the police's part.
I think you missed the point he was trying to make.Pattern? WTF? If I sock you in the mouth, do you need to show a pattern of me doing it before that? Our judicial system SUCKS!
Thanks for your answer!That is irrelevant in a tort action. It can be a factor in a 1983 Fed action, but not absolutely necessary. Also, the definition of 'pattern' is nebulous. Condoning by the chief of police a single act of violation of one's constitution rights can be enough.
A pattern of ignorance, refusal to properly train, ignoring a duty to have full knowledge, etc can also be established. The cops have the duty to know the rights of individuals to be respected...
Absolutely it would be wrong. And you (as the party mistreated) would have standing to file suit. No pattern needed. It would be up to the jury to determine if the officer had reasonable apprehension in the given circumstance.IF I get a gun in the face, and don't in ANY way fit the description, that IS WRONG. :bangheadattern, my butt. :cuss:
BB62, it says you're in Cincinnati, Ohio. Were your open carrying experiencesin the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, or in the State of Ohio?...Because of my experience (stopped at gunpoint by 3 officers while walking down the street OCing), andthe answers I received from various attorneys,I think it is unlikely that anyone other than PA Patriot (if he is able to) could get "compensation" for what happened, because there is no pattern of illegal behavior (at least not yet) on the police's part.
spurrit wrote:Absolutely it would be wrong. And you (as the party mistreated) would have standing to file suit. No pattern needed. It would be up to the jury to determine if the officer had reasonable apprehension in the given circumstance.IF I get a gun in the face, and don't in ANY way fit the description, that IS WRONG. :bangheadattern, my butt. :cuss:
What you say may well hold true for the Buckeye State (used to listen to WKRP a lot), but Commonwealth v. Hawkins and Ortiz v. Commonwealth pretty well put those puppies to bed here.The stophad a lot of troubling elements, but the one that I think of most today was the officer's threat that (essentially) "I could cite you for Inducing Panic or Disorderly Conduct, if I had a complainant". That's one issue that troubles a lot of potential OCers in Ohio - and though the black letter law is clear, courts don't follow black letter law.
Found a page with info listed on CCW licenses for each state:What you say may well hold true for the Buckeye State (used to listen to WKRP a lot), but Commonwealth v. Hawkins and Ortiz v. Commonwealth pretty well put those puppies to bed here.The stophad a lot of troubling elements, but the one that I think of most today was the officer's threat that (essentially) "I could cite you for Inducing Panic or Disorderly Conduct, if I had a complainant". That's one issue that troubles a lot of potential OCers in Ohio - and though the black letter law is clear, courts don't follow black letter law.
Again, don't know if you have the ability to file a Private Criminal Complaint in the Queen City, but we do here, and we all should be familiar with the Abuse of Authority statute.
There are over 570,000 Pennsylvanians licensed to carry concealed firearms. That's one out of every 23 Pennsylvanians. A few states may have a better ratio, but we surehave the top license count!